tammertime (OP)
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August 17, 2011, 06:24:44 PM |
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i think this is a kinda new bitcoin site and method. its new to me, anway  so, it seems really good if not great ! but how can we be sure its safe ?? can several people verify its entirely safe as they have "also" tired and have proven it does NOT create issues ?? OR, if it "does" create issues, what are they ??, can u list & describe the issues ?? and does it, OR can it, conflict and hinder other java based apps., etc. ? i'm very anxious to get involved to apply it, but want to be more assured before i move forward. so, thanks. |
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marks1976
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August 17, 2011, 09:59:06 PM |
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My brief experience so far with bitminter is awesome. The software is awesome and easy to use. I remotely set it up for a friend of mine and he is able to use it and he can't do much on a pc. So far no complaints.
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RandyFolds
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August 17, 2011, 10:26:23 PM |
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People who compile open-source code into things and proceed to not release the source are inherently shady.
I wouldn't touch it with a stick. That said, there are plenty of people who would/do.
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The LT
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August 18, 2011, 01:38:28 AM |
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Doesn't have instant payouts yet... That's a minus...
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DrHaribo
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September 24, 2011, 03:48:43 PM |
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People who compile open-source code into things and proceed to not release the source are inherently shady.
What are you talking about? There are 14 000 lines of code in BitMinter (miner, pool backend and web frontend), all written by myself. There is nothing open-source compiled into these programs. |
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RandyFolds
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September 24, 2011, 07:46:07 PM |
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People who compile open-source code into things and proceed to not release the source are inherently shady.
There are 14 000 lines of code in BitMinter (miner, pool backend and web frontend), all written by myself, ...that all depend 100% on an open source p2p network that were not written or designed by you. Suck it, leech. |
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DrHaribo
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September 24, 2011, 08:39:42 PM |
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...that all depend 100% on an open source p2p network that were not written or designed by you.
Yes, I use that, and GNU/Linux operating system and libraries, and many other open source tools. leech.
I'm sorry you feel that way about it. So far I've only been giving away free money (paying 5% extra). In the future I will probably make it possible to donate for those who wish. Still, anyone who feels I am leeching is certainly free to set donation to 0%. And if using my software and rented server for free isn't good enough, there are many other pools to choose from. |
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RandyFolds
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September 24, 2011, 11:07:14 PM |
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...that all depend 100% on an open source p2p network that were not written or designed by you.
Yes, I use that, and GNU/Linux operating system and libraries, and many other open source tools. leech.
I'm sorry you feel that way about it. So far I've only been giving away free money (paying 5% extra). In the future I will probably make it possible to donate for those who wish. Still, anyone who feels I am leeching is certainly free to set donation to 0%. And if using my software and rented server for free isn't good enough, there are many other pools to choose from. What makes you trustworthy enough to run your proprietary software on my machine? |
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Turbor
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September 25, 2011, 02:34:59 PM |
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I use it and love the design and functionality. Works very well !  @DrHaribo can you implement a function to throttle down the graphic card ?. My iMacs 6970m gets too hot and there is no way to clock the card down   |
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Turbor
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September 25, 2011, 02:44:56 PM |
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What makes you trustworthy enough to run your proprietary software on my machine?
Hey Randy, please give me the address of your opensource miner ! |
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RandyFolds
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September 25, 2011, 05:02:27 PM |
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What makes you trustworthy enough to run your proprietary software on my machine?
Hey Randy, please give me the address of your opensource miner ! You should look into SolidCoin - if running some jackass's proprietary and potentially malicious software that is too good to be true is up your alley. |
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Turbor
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September 25, 2011, 05:44:09 PM |
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Why do you call this guy a jackass ? Just because his miner is closed source ? I think he spent quite some time and money to setup his pool and miner ?!
I tried several pools and miners and imo there is nothing wrong with bitminter.
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RandyFolds
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September 25, 2011, 06:31:23 PM |
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Why do you call this guy a jackass ? Just because his miner is closed source ? I think he spent quite some time and money to setup his pool and miner ?!
I tried several pools and miners and imo there is nothing wrong with bitminter.
Why didn't he spend all that time and money to improve existing open source architechture and performance, choosing instead to reinvent the wheel? Why is he paying out 5% out of pocket for people to use his software after investing all this time and money? Why hasn't he spent more time developing rapport with the community? You don't think that situation is rife with potential for dishonesty? |
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P4man
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September 25, 2011, 06:49:47 PM |
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Why didn't he spend all that time and money to improve existing open source architechture and performance, choosing instead to reinvent the wheel? Because he sees his miner app as a competitive advantage over other pools. Pools are businesses. FWIW, I think bitminter is awesome. ITs both very fast and easy to use. I would prefer it was open, but no one forces it upon you. If you dont like it, or dont trust it, dont use it. You can use any opensource client you want, either with bitminter or any other pool. |
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Turbor
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September 25, 2011, 06:56:54 PM |
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Well i don't know about his reasons to keep it closed source. All i can say is that it's working well and without problems so far. From my point of view it is safe to use.
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P4man
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September 25, 2011, 07:02:25 PM |
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To judge safety, consider incentive. There is like 30? or so people running bitminter? Whats to be gained from running malware on 30 machines, compared to the effort involved setting up the pool and miner app and the potential benefits from a big pool. It would make no sense whatsoever for DrHaribo to risk his business and everything he invested in it, by spreading malware. In so far it would even be possible to make effective malware with Java webstart.
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Turbor
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September 25, 2011, 07:13:28 PM |
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Since i only mine at 4 Mh/s i'm not really in for the money  more like to keep things running... |
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deslok
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It's all about the game, and how you play it
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September 25, 2011, 07:18:41 PM |
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...that all depend 100% on an open source p2p network that were not written or designed by you.
Yes, I use that, and GNU/Linux operating system and libraries, and many other open source tools. leech.
I'm sorry you feel that way about it. So far I've only been giving away free money (paying 5% extra). In the future I will probably make it possible to donate for those who wish. Still, anyone who feels I am leeching is certainly free to set donation to 0%. And if using my software and rented server for free isn't good enough, there are many other pools to choose from. It seems to me that the best way to handle this would be to submit your code to one or more trusted members here along with a NDA to prevent them from using any part of it anywhere else if you're worried about that hearing some of other programers in the forum give it a clean bill of health would stifle any yelling about malicious code. |
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P4man
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September 25, 2011, 07:25:12 PM |
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It seems to me that the best way to handle this would be to submit your code to one or more trusted members here along with a NDA to prevent them from using any part of it anywhere else if you're worried about that hearing some of other programers in the forum give it a clean bill of health would stifle any yelling about malicious code.
Except it wouldnt, as no one could guarantee the code he submits is the same as the app we run. Moreover, since its javawebstart, it autoupdates, so what is safe today, could be different tomorrow. The only way to be 100% sure is by reviewing and compiling the source code yourself, assuming you have the ability to audit the code. That said, Ive been googling a bit, and from what I can tell its basically impossible to spread malware through java webstart. Or at least as hard as spreading malicious code through a website exploiting whatever zero day browser vulnerability, and I havent seen anyone make the claim its dangerous to visit the website from any other pool operator as it could be used to spread malware. |
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DrHaribo
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September 25, 2011, 08:01:26 PM |
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@DrHaribo can you implement a function to throttle down the graphic card ?
Added to my TODO list. What makes you trustworthy enough to run your proprietary software on my machine?
That's for you to decide. Obviously you decided against it, and that's alright. The miner is just a benefit I offer you for free if you mine in my pool. You don't have to use it. People mine with other miners at the BitMinter pool too. You can see which miners people use here: https://bitminter.com/miners |
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