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August 18, 2011, 09:58:11 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37402

People from certain countries can't access bitcoin.org nor download the client
because SourceForge has decided to play U.S. puppet & ban all IP ranges from those countries.

Bitcoin availability shouldn't be bound to a geographical location or limited by the actions of an oppressive regime.
That's like the Tor project voluntarily blocking Chinese IP's because they don't want to get in 'trouble'.

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August 18, 2011, 10:01:57 AM
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Well, I just hope you don't get half the bashing I got on the thread i started about that same subject

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=37687.0

But at least these kind of threads will show us that some persons here can think for themselves, while others are just brainwashed sock puppets who can't see past their own belly.

Respect for you, for trying to do what is right.

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August 18, 2011, 10:38:53 AM
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I don't think this is a really major concern since the sources are available and changing your IP is pretty easy with Tor.

However I understand that some people might not be proficient enough to do that. If people express some interest I'll host copies of the binaries at bitcoin-central.net

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August 18, 2011, 10:43:43 AM
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I don't think this is a really major concern since the sources are available and changing your IP is pretty easy with Tor.

However I understand that some people might not be proficient enough to do that. If people express some interest I'll host copies of the binaries at bitcoin-central.net

It's not that easy to change your IP with Tor when they block all public Tor nodes.

And it's even a bigger pain to download 8MB using Tor. The internet itself, in those countries is slow, and Tor is even slower.

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August 18, 2011, 11:13:43 AM
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I don't think this is a really major concern since the sources are available and changing your IP is pretty easy with Tor.

However I understand that some people might not be proficient enough to do that. If people express some interest I'll host copies of the binaries at bitcoin-central.net

It's not that easy to change your IP with Tor when they block all public Tor nodes.

And it's even a bigger pain to download 8MB using Tor. The internet itself, in those countries is slow, and Tor is even slower.

Downloading the blockchain with Tor would suck way, way way way more

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August 18, 2011, 11:34:21 AM
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Downloading the blockchain with Tor would suck way, way way way more

I wasn't even going to talk about the blockchain because to download it people would need to manage to finish the download of the client Wink Even opening a webpage with 150KB is a pain...


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August 18, 2011, 11:53:52 AM
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FINE Smiley

You can now download the client directly from the frontpage of https://bitcoin-central.net

Feel free to double check the checksums

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August 18, 2011, 01:26:42 PM
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FINE Smiley

You can now download the client directly from the frontpage of https://bitcoin-central.net

Feel free to double check the checksums


That is great news. I assume French authorities do not advocate the virtual blockade of those countries?

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August 18, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
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That is great news. I assume French authorities do not advocate the virtual blockade of those countries?
No idea, but if they do, the servers will move Smiley

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August 18, 2011, 02:23:06 PM
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August 18, 2011, 02:50:53 PM
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Downloading the blockchain with Tor would suck way, way way way more

I wasn't even going to talk about the blockchain because to download it people would need to manage to finish the download of the client Wink Even opening a webpage with 150KB is a pain...



Well, I've downloaded files as large as 80MB over TOR (lol Belarus). Basically, it's perseverance+coffee.

Dling the chain will take lots and lots of coffee.

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August 18, 2011, 02:58:45 PM
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Someday, bitcoin clients will simply bootstrap their chain using the bittorrent protocol

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August 18, 2011, 03:17:25 PM
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More mirrors...

Win32 EXE: http://tahoe-gateway.cryto.net:3719/download/VVJJOkNISzpodXB4b2g0cHYzcGtzcDVveXE1cGkyYmp2cTpjeGttc2hxNWt3YTRwYXFrc2o1dzV0dmhkNzc2bGlrd2dqYzZsbDJlYXJ0eXZxNGh2cmdhOjM6Njo2Njk2MTU2/bitcoin-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe
Win32 ZIP: http://tahoe-gateway.cryto.net:3719/download/VVJJOkNISzoza3J3bnQzbnltbzdndjdicjV6cWxlbzJ1bTpzZWxyZm12dnR2NW1kaXV4a3RoeWRidm8zdGx5bTJudWVlYjdjczN6emh1NHp5enV5NHJhOjM6Njo3MTY1MTU5/bitcoin-0.3.24-win32.zip
Linux: http://tahoe-gateway.cryto.net:3719/download/VVJJOkNISzpsbHRzb2ptbzNteW1rZ3NpdWJkaTNwMjdjbTpkNm9vaGpqeHFuYWJpams2NG01Y3FueHRta2lqaHJ3ajdkc3lmZmFqMnZqcWFlNjdkYzNxOjM6NjoxMTUwOTczMQ==/bitcoin-0.3.24-linux.tar.gz
Mac OS X: http://tahoe-gateway.cryto.net:3719/download/VVJJOkNISzptdGNrbWp1eTU2ZG03eXJvMnRscjRjZHJvZTprZWw3ZXV1Z21rM2xhcmxqbWVpbXhqNGE1d3V0ZG51ZXd3M3Vkd3BwMndjYmZqN2N2bTRhOjM6Njo2OTkxNzQ2/bitcoin-0.3.24-macosx.zip

Stored on a redundant Tahoe-LAFS grid, 4 different gateways in geographically different locations (US, Germany, Netherlands).. that should work Cheesy
(feel free to hotlink to them, plenty of bandwidth available - also, directly mirrored using a bot, so checksums should match)

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August 18, 2011, 03:46:55 PM
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Someone should make a site that just displays a random mirror, one at a time.  Maybe forces you to solve a CAPTCHA to see it.

Kinda like the Tor Bridge Relay service.  That way it is very very hard to block them all.

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August 18, 2011, 04:35:18 PM
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MOAR MIRRORS!

Win32 exe:
http://cheaperinbitcoins.com/download/Bitcoinclient-0.3.24/bitcoinclient-0.3.24-win32-setup.exe

Win32 zip:
http://cheaperinbitcoins.com/download/Bitcoinclient-0.3.24/bitcoinclient-0.3.24-win32.zip

Linux tarbal:
http://cheaperinbitcoins.com/download/Bitcoinclient-0.3.24/bitcoinclient-0.3.24-linux.tar.gz

Max OSX:
http://cheaperinbitcoins.com/download/Bitcoinclient-0.3.24/bitcoinclient-0.3.24-macosx.zip

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August 18, 2011, 04:41:26 PM
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Someday, bitcoin clients will simply bootstrap their chain using the bittorrent protocol

Why arn't we doing this right now? I've always wondered why we boot strap with IRC protocals. Can someone say DDoS freenode... Bring down the network?
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August 18, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
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Why arn't we doing this right now? I've always wondered why we boot strap with IRC protocals. Can someone say DDoS freenode... Bring down the network?
Probably because it's not easy Smiley
Also IRC is used for bootstrapping connections, bittorrent has central points of failure too, the trackers.

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August 18, 2011, 05:14:37 PM
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And what about instructing everybody on how to check the file checksums?

You know, dumb proof instructions, screenshots and all, so any pop can do it.

That would be great.

Thanks!

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August 18, 2011, 05:17:00 PM
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I thought the blockchain was downloaded from peers in the network and not from a central server...

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August 18, 2011, 05:24:32 PM
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I thought the blockchain was downloaded from peers in the network and not from a central server...

It is downloaded from peers.

Why arn't we doing this right now? I've always wondered why we boot strap with IRC protocals. Can someone say DDoS freenode... Bring down the network?
Probably because it's not easy Smiley
Also IRC is used for bootstrapping connections, bittorrent has central points of failure too, the trackers.

How does DHT work?  Could something like that be implemented for Bitcoin?

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