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May 14, 2018, 05:58:06 AM
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This is just my own opinion and also I want to know your opinion too, because of too many newbies registering right now and spamming shit post everywhere not following the rules just to increase their activities to become a Jr.member fast and join signature campaign, my suggestion is to increase the payment of bitcoin involve on (Evil IP) on registering so that newbies will serious about this forum, sorry for the bad English, not native English speaker.


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May 14, 2018, 06:02:22 AM
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AFAIK, that depends on how evil his/her ip when registering on this forum, more evil the ip, then more higher he/she need to pay.
Not every new member need to pay some bitcoin when registering, only if he register using evil ip which usually if he/she using vpn or tor.

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May 14, 2018, 06:07:59 AM
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AFAIK, that depends on how evil his/her ip when registering on this forum, more evil the ip, then more higher he/she need to pay.
Not every new member need to pay some bitcoin when registering, only if he register using evil ip which usually if he/she using vpn or tor.

But the evil ip just charge you a little amount of bitcoin and if someone will use a vpn or something like that they can abuse and create more accounts just saying
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May 14, 2018, 06:17:52 AM
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my suggestion is to increase the payment of bitcoin on registering

There are no fees needed to pay just for registering a new account, unless the IP ADDRESS used by the user is found as a faulty address. And I don't think that it would be necessary to make a registration fee just to join here. As for this is an open forum for all bitcoin users, the campaigns are also being used to make things worst, its just the users fault that make this forum looks like non moderated one. And not all people can afford paying just to be a member here, try thinking also on the positive side, this will also concern the innocent peoples that wants to join here.

It might be true that every minute here results almost a hundred of registered new users, we can't be surely make a decision that those are just alts of some other bounty spammers here. We can just see through them with their posts lately and have them reported unto the MODS if they fail to comply to the rules,




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May 14, 2018, 06:41:38 AM
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my suggestion is to increase the payment of bitcoin on registering

There are no fees needed to pay just for registering a new account, unless the IP ADDRESS used by the user is found as a faulty address. And I don't think that it would be necessary to make a registration fee just to join here. As for this is an open forum for all bitcoin users, the campaigns are also being used to make things worst, its just the users fault that make this forum looks like non moderated one. And not all people can afford paying just to be a member here, try thinking also on the positive side, this will also concern the innocent peoples that wants to join here.

It might be true that every minute here results almost a hundred of registered new users, we can't be surely make a decision that those are just alts of some other bounty spammers here. We can just see through them with their posts lately and have them reported unto the MODS if they fail to comply to the rules,



You have a point there, I will change the Title of this Thread to "Increase The Bitcoin payment of newly registered accounts involve in Evil IP on Bitcointalk.org" Evil IP means these account doing a suspicious activity like Tor VPN etc.
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May 14, 2018, 06:41:49 AM
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Your suggestion sounds too selfish and you are pretty confident delivering that suggestion, don't you? I believe that this forum was created to help us newbies and guide those people who are not that familiar with cryptocurrency. This forum is a dictionary for us who are involve in this industry and your sources to get an accurate information to those people who are willing to share their knowledge. Try to look back and ask yourself what are those things you also did in this forum when you are taking your first step to cryptocurrency and have you already created a thread that will be useful to those newbies?
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May 14, 2018, 06:53:53 AM
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Your suggestion sounds too selfish and you are pretty confident delivering that suggestion, don't you? I believe that this forum was created to help us newbies and guide those people who are not that familiar with cryptocurrency. This forum is a dictionary for us who are involve in this industry and your sources to get an accurate information to those people who are willing to share their knowledge. Try to look back and ask yourself what are those things you also did in this forum when you are taking your first step to cryptocurrency and have you already created a thread that will be useful to those newbies?

I already stated above those newbies who are involved in EVIL IP, there are people who are creating many accounts right now spamming on the threads and most of them are newbies and involved in EVIL IP,( I don't really understand how evil IP works but maybe to those people creating too many accounts in just one IP and use VPN tor or so that they can change their IP)   if you are not one of them so you can relax
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Your suggestion sounds too selfish and you are pretty confident delivering that suggestion, don't you? I believe that this forum was created to help us newbies and guide those people who are not that familiar with cryptocurrency. This forum is a dictionary for us who are involve in this industry and your sources to get an accurate information to those people who are willing to share their knowledge. Try to look back and ask yourself what are those things you also did in this forum when you are taking your first step to cryptocurrency and have you already created a thread that will be useful to those newbies?

It is not a selfish act i guess if it is to diminish the number of alt accounts. Alt account which made to spam the bounty and milk this forum is a plague and a disease, you know whats best to diminish them? It is preventive act. Not only it will diminish them, but it will make them hard to come back again, just like a vaccine.

That is why we need a system to prevent this issue grows bigger, and i think increasing it a bit is kinda a good-ish idea.
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May 14, 2018, 08:35:58 AM
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... my suggestion is to increase the payment of bitcoin involve on (Evil IP) on registering so that newbies will serious about this forum, sorry for the bad English, not native English speaker.
if the rate per each unit of evil is set too high, it will cost too much for new user
and that will only lead to nothing good at all, it will open up a new market
people with access to whitelisted IP or non-proxyban IP will make tons of accounts and sell them off

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May 14, 2018, 08:53:35 AM
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This is just my own opinion and also I want to know your opinion too, because of too many newbies registering right now and spamming shit post everywhere not following the rules just to increase their activities to become a Jr.member fast and join signature campaign, my suggestion is to increase the payment of bitcoin involve on (Evil IP) on registering so that newbies will serious about this forum, sorry for the bad English, not native English speaker.




Most of the people who sign up here likely won't have to pay anything at all so anyone can create thousands of accounts from their home IP or any other one that hasn't yet been banned. You only have to pay the evil fee on previously abused connections (ie tor or if you've had accounts banned) so this won't really matter. I wouldn't be against limiting accounts to one sign-up per IP as people would quickly run out of fresh connections.

You have a point there, I will change the Title of this Thread to "Increase The Bitcoin payment of newly registered accounts involve in Evil IP on Bitcointalk.org" Evil IP means these account doing a suspicious activity like Tor VPN etc.

It won't really matter. If you make it so expensive people just won't bother paying it and will just try another proxy or use their local McDonalds/Starbucks connection until they find one that isn't blacklisted.

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May 14, 2018, 09:15:24 AM
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But the evil ip just charge you a little amount of bitcoin and if someone will use a vpn or something like that they can abuse and create more accounts just saying
Chances are the VPN's IP is already evil, so changing to a new VPN won't (always) work. Just like any Tor IP has collected units of evil already.

There are no fees needed to pay just for registering a new account, unless the IP ADDRESS used by the user is found as a faulty address.
IP addresses "surrounding" an evil IP collect units of evil too. Theymos explained how it works in some of the old threads.

Your suggestion sounds too selfish and you are pretty confident delivering that suggestion, don't you?
As a normal user using your own normal home internet to register one account, you won't be bothered with units of evil. Your IP will be clean.
However, if spambots are able to use 4000 accounts to spam a bounty thread, I can only agree units of evil are too cheap!

people with access to whitelisted IP or non-proxyban IP will make tons of accounts and sell them off
Once these sold accounts start spamming and get banned, the IP that created them will collect units of evil again, making new accounts more expensive.

Most of the people who sign up here likely won't have to pay anything at all so anyone can create thousands of accounts from their home IP or any other one that hasn't yet been banned.
Isn't this a flaw in the units of evil system?

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I wouldn't be against limiting accounts to one sign-up per IP as people would quickly run out of fresh connections.
As the proud owner of more than one account, I'd have to disagree. Using a few accounts keeps my main account more secure.
But I wouldn't mind if any IP starts collecting units of evil after signing up. Say the first 2 accounts are free, and after that each new signup adds one more unit of evil.

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Most of the people who sign up here likely won't have to pay anything at all so anyone can create thousands of accounts from their home IP or any other one that hasn't yet been banned.
Isn't this a flaw in the units of evil system?

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I wouldn't be against limiting accounts to one sign-up per IP as people would quickly run out of fresh connections.
As the proud owner of more than one account, I'd have to disagree. Using a few accounts keeps my main account more secure.
But I wouldn't mind if any IP starts collecting units of evil after signing up. Say the first 2 accounts are free, and after that each new signup adds one more unit of evil.

I guess. I think a better solution would be an IP gets evil points every time an account is registered from it. First one is free but then the the points get exponentially greater for every account that is registered. I think people should be allowed to have multiple accounts but there's no reason why people should have hundreds and I think this would curb people who sign up here with dozens of accounts each from each family member on the home IP and making people work to find a new connection would slow them down a lot.

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Out of pure curiosity, how many IPs are flagged as Evil?

Yeah, I know probably Theymos is the only one that knows this at the moment but maybe he has made some reference in the past about this...

TBH, limiting/disable signature space or functionality for Newbie or Jr. Member is more effective than increase BTC payment for Evil IP.

This! But also preventing Newbies from entering the bounty section would have some serious effects on the number of accounts that run around here. Theymos seems to be planning something in this direction...

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May 14, 2018, 10:29:14 AM
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First one is free but then the points get exponentially greater for every account that is registered.
This is impossible, some people in other countries only depends on WIFI ACCESS, and we are certain sure that in one given access there are almost many users connected to it, so if this would be likely used by; for example, 5 users in a certain company, on a different departments has already gained access on it and registered here as new users then it wouldn't be fair if the first one will be free of charge while the others, without knowing that the said IP was already used by another individual will be paying just because it was already tagged as an evil IP just because someone already used it for the registration of an account.


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I think people should be allowed to have multiple accounts

I really don't think so, as far as I know ,the rules stated that alts are highly prohibited. Even if this isn't an avoidable one for some people who only makes money here, I think it shouldn't be tolerated. We knew that some says that it is for their relatives but the truth is its just for themselves.
Well maybe some people might say that " why are those people with high ranks are allowed to make alts? " , I only have one answer to that, I think its for their own benefit whether they can manage to rank up with the current system or not.




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May 14, 2018, 10:59:07 AM
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I think people should be allowed to have multiple accounts

I really don't think so, as far as I know ,the rules stated that alts are highly prohibited. Even if this isn't an avoidable one for some people who only makes money here, I think it shouldn't be tolerated. We knew that some says that it is for their relatives but the truth is its just for themselves.
18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.
No restrictions on multiple accounts, not even on account sales Roll Eyes
I'm not sure why a regular user needs more than one account, perhaps one for discussion and one for marketplace?
someone with multi projects might need one for each project, but other than that?

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I'm not sure why a regular user needs more than one account, perhaps one for discussion and one for marketplace?
If that's the case it wouldn't have a problem but in reality we see that most alts are just being used for bounties, they don't give any shits on having discussion related to coins and tokens or whatsoever they may come up with.

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someone with multi projects might need one for each project, but other than that?
I don't agree with this, YAHOO is an example with multi projects but didn't have to use alts for either one of it. This isn't an excuse just to have alts, but more or less we've been seeing some high ranking people that creates alts just to feel the essence of the new system.




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Not every new member need to pay some bitcoin when registering, only if he register using evil ip which usually if he/she using vpn or tor.
Some newbies in the local forum complained that they were banned after registration due to the "Evil IP", but they didn't use neither VPN nor TOR. And it seems that the blocking happens pretty often. I guess that the new user must have a static IP-address to register a normal account here.

In my opinion, increasing the payment of new registered account won't diminish the garbage posting. As a decision that was suggested by other user, Jr. Members must be forced to get merits and become a Member to join an ICO signature campaign.

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May 14, 2018, 03:23:00 PM
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In my opinion, that option allowing someone to pay and then use the same IP (which was used for spamming) is completely flawed. There should be no such option allowed. It is like saying that we do not allow criminals to live in our city but if you give us some bribe, we will let you in.

There can be concerns here regarding somebody living at a place where the ISP provides same IP to multiple users. Those cases should be handled on individual basis and should be allowed without any payment.

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But seriously talking about this registration of new members, I was thinking the merit system would deter new comers and it has been proven wrong. Lately, I have seen more newbie account than it was before.

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Creating accounts using proxies and vpn should be disable abusers will surely use vpn and proxies to bypass this evil ip payment to create more multiple accounts to abuse bounty there might be already a vpn tagged with evil ip but there's so much vpn and proxies available out there they can just switch one to another.
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May 14, 2018, 10:57:22 PM
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Creating accounts using proxies and vpn should be disable abusers will surely use vpn and proxies to bypass this evil ip payment to create more multiple accounts to abuse bounty there might be already a vpn tagged with evil ip but there's so much vpn and proxies available out there they can just switch one to another.
I'm pretty sure there is a way to figure out when someone connected thru vpn/proxy
maybe the packet data received/sent from those IPs has certain marker or header
or the forum could just use third party service to build and update blacklisted vpn/proxy IPs

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I hope there will be a limit of accounts per IP, for example, 5 maximum accounts per IP Address because some are creating too many accounts almost all I've seen so far are newbie accounts and the purpose of that is for airdrops the more accounts the more token to be earned, btw does account expire for being not active?
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May 15, 2018, 03:32:04 PM
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does account expire for being not active?
Maybe, yes. Based on this post
You can check them from Vod's website:
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/

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Take 1,999,086 registered accounts, delete 1,082,472 accounts with no sign on for 90 days, no posts and no trust
and that leaves us with 916,614 active accounts.
Looks like account that aren't active for 90 days without post or trust will be deleted.

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May 15, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
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Maybe, yes. Based on this post
You can check them from Vod's website:
http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/
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Take 1,999,086 registered accounts, delete 1,082,472 accounts with no sign on for 90 days, no posts and no trust
and that leaves us with 916,614 active accounts.
Looks like account that aren't active for 90 days without post or trust will be deleted.
You're interpreting this the wrong way. http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/ is Vod's site, and that site deletes the "dead" accounts.
Bitcointalk itself doesn't delete them.

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May 15, 2018, 05:38:02 PM
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You're interpreting this the wrong way. http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/ is Vod's site, and that site deletes the "dead" accounts.
Bitcointalk itself doesn't delete them.
Ah, okay. Thanks for explain it, i though that bitcointalk will delete the inactive account.

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