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May 16, 2018, 03:52:25 AM
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I would like to request a review on suchmoon actions.
He/she tagged me after I bumped a merit source application here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3560707.msg37398698#msg37398698

Reference is also pointing to off-site source, I don't have access to read it. I believe that reference should lead to forum post.

This is pure abuse of power. self-inflicted shit is just an excuse.

If the time of his first tag on me is after this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3560707.msg37398698#msg37398698 his tag is illegit.
@suchmoon, if you don't trust me, exclude me from your trust list, I believe that we should only tag scammers and cheaters. I haven't scammed anybody.
You could exclude me like I have excluded you. do you see me tagging you? no.


I would like to ask for the opinions of Blazed and dooglus on this case, since you are the ones who'd included suchmoon on DT2, I would like you to review his 2 tags on my profile.
Note: ignore our names and judge the references.
Note again: tell me please, is it justified to tag me red without knowing if I am capable of doing what I have said I'd do? I haven't done any service yet, so how would anybody know if I can actually deliver or not?

I have never engaged in any case per my service's terms, how could I get painted red?
Lie or misjudge, whatever you do it will find it's way back to you. or just ignore me, someday you'll get what you deserve.

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Yes ladies and gentlemen, suchmoon has a habit of providing a way out for suspected extortionists and self admitted account sellers and ICO money collectors. I'd suggest to read their left positive and negative feedbacks to see what I mean, they'd silent people like me who'd try to help the powerless forum members and they'd try to counter valid red tags to provide a cover so that certain people could hide their shady activities.
When you trust such a person like suchmoon, you are no different than a scammer.  

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May 16, 2018, 04:06:00 AM
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Suchmoon doesn't trust you, and frankly you've given people ample reason for that in the past couple of months alone.  I don't think you've scammed anyone, but you're obviously unstable in much the same way mixan was.  People here don't trust other people who go over the deep end, and you are presently at the far end of the pool, buddy.

There's also little chance you're going to get any support from anyone with this thread here because of your own trolling.  You've emotionally pleaded and raged against so much recently that folks are a bit tired of reading it, and my guess is that a lot of them have you on ignore already.

buddy you guys are running around with your abuse of power, tagging anybody who is not your bitch.
Hey, it wasn't me who tagged you.  Is suchmoon on DT?  He's on my trust list, which is customized and I don't know who's actually on DT anymore.  I'm aware of how I can check this, but I don't like messing with my list.  As I said, you didn't scam anyone, but you shouldn't be surprised that this happened.  At all.

I am not sure how defending people makes you a scammer.
You're oblivious as to what the criteria for being a scammer are.

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May 16, 2018, 04:30:32 AM
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Suchmoon doesn't trust you, and frankly you've given people ample reason for that in the past couple of months alone.  I don't think you've scammed anyone, but you're obviously unstable in much the same way mixan was.  People here don't trust other people who go over the deep end, and you are presently at the far end of the pool, buddy.

There's also little chance you're going to get any support from anyone with this thread here because of your own trolling.  You've emotionally pleaded and raged against so much recently that folks are a bit tired of reading it, and my guess is that a lot of them have you on ignore already.

No, I got tagged right after I bumped a merit source application, buddy. if he doesn't trust me, why should I get tagged as scammer? buddy you guys are running around with your abuse of power, tagging anybody who is not your bitch.

It's not like last time anybody supported me.

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May 16, 2018, 04:50:29 AM
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Okay I'll get this one on my watchlist to see what's going to happen.

I've seen your tag by suchmoon before you open this thread and I think this going to be another personal quarrel.
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May 16, 2018, 04:53:20 AM
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I am not sure how defending people makes you a scammer. Surely everyone has the right to present their side of a dispute....maybe suchmoon disagrees with this.

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May 16, 2018, 05:02:36 AM
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I am not sure how defending people makes you a scammer. Surely everyone has the right to present their side of a dispute....maybe suchmoon disagrees with this.
Even I will disagree with it especially if the case was yours.
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May 16, 2018, 07:11:30 AM
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They are emotionally unstable and they would react to other people on a personal level sort of conflict, they are not aware of the consequences of their actions, they should not be given any power over other people, now I am tagged as scammer by default again. this has turned to be a tool in the wrong hands this trust system.

I would like to request for an immediate removal of my illegit red tag, I'm trying to improve the serious business affairs of community members and earn an honest money by doing so, I don't deserve to be called scammer by default.

Every time I tried to take part in forum business by either applying to become a mod or a merit source I have got red tagged wrongfully and this has to end. if I'm unstable, my actions are not, if I'm controversial, my actions were not controversial. I haven't scammed anybody. I as anyone else have the right to defend and speak about the truth. I believe DT members are abusing their power and this case is my evidence.

If suchmoon is thinking that he is untouchable, there will be nothing stopping him from continuing this behavior. this is not a coincident, I got tagged after bumping my merit source application, this is suchmoon saying that he doesn't want me to become a source, this is defamation at it's best.

I should be allowed to stand up against abuse of power, I should be allowed to try my best at helping this community which I'm a small member of. I have said that me posting links to meritorious posts is not enough and sufficient way for me to contribute, hence I did a bump for my application to be reinstated as a merit source in order to harness my full potential. if I had to resign for the wrong reasons, do I not have the right to reapply to make it up to the community?

If I see there is nobody helping the community, should I get tagged if suchmoon has a crush on this forum?

@suchmoon, believe me that I don't want you gone from DT, above statement is a general term I would like to use for people with similar behavior, do not let your personal feelings to cloud your judgment man, I'm not a scammer, you could bad mouth me all you want but tagging me like a scammer is not right. I don't want to hurt your reputation, I'm simply asking you to reconsider please.

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May 16, 2018, 11:43:19 AM
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His tag actually does lead to a forum post. Your service of helping remove red trust. Pay yourself .01 and get to work removing your tag.

In all seriousness, he has the right to not trust you. Trust is not moderated and you go off half cocked quite alot. You're making the wrong kind of waves in the community. You seem to be the 1 who feels he is untouchable.

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Let's see. The reference links to:

https://archive.fo/5Gh8i

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3779450

You are:

  • Offering a questionable service in a self-moderated thread
  • Claiming abilities that you don't possess
  • Lacking any trade history
  • Providing one vouch/reference - yourself
  • Requesting upfront payment without escrow
  • Admitting that you will abscond with the money if you don't succeed

I think for most users any one of the last three would earn red tags up the wazoo except this is digaran, the village idiot, so we shall give him a pass, right? I don't think so.

But don't despair, this is actually great for you. I'm not removing my trust rating under any circumstances so I just reduced the work you need to do by half. Your only option is to kick me out of DT. If you succeed you can add another solid reference to your service offer.

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May 16, 2018, 02:55:11 PM
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I don’t see any fake vouches on the OPs thread.

The OP is free to offer his services on terms of his choice. Similarly any potential buyers of his service can ask for terms they want. If the two sides cannot agree to terms, the OP will not be able to sell his services. I don’t think it is appropriate for an unrelated third party to try to dictate terms that others can trade on. Unless the OP is being deceptive in some way, there should be no issue.

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Of course a DT-related thread would not be complete without the scammer extraordinaire pretending like he's an expert and shit...

I don’t see any fake vouches on the OPs thread.

As an example of his "work", he links to a thread where he is his own "client".

The OP is free to offer his services on terms of his choice. Similarly any potential buyers of his service can ask for terms they want. If the two sides cannot agree to terms, the OP will not be able to sell his services. I don’t think it is appropriate for an unrelated third party to try to dictate terms that others can trade on. Unless the OP is being deceptive in some way, there should be no issue.

Why do you tag users for asking for no-collateral loans then? They should be free to offer any terms they want, including no collateral.

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May 16, 2018, 03:34:03 PM
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Let's see. The reference links to:

https://archive.fo/5Gh8i

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3779450

You are:

  • Offering a questionable service in a self-moderated thread
  • Claiming abilities that you don't possess
  • Lacking any trade history
  • Providing one vouch/reference - yourself
  • Requesting upfront payment without escrow
  • Admitting that you will abscond with the money if you don't succeed

I think for most users any one of the last three would earn red tags up the wazoo except this is digaran, the village idiot, so we shall give him a pass, right? I don't think so.

But don't despair, this is actually great for you. I'm not removing my trust rating under any circumstances so I just reduced the work you need to do by half. Your only option is to kick me out of DT. If you succeed you can add another solid reference to your service offer.


Somebody who got tagged wrongfully comes to me, I would evaluate their case, if I see they were tagged illegitimately, I would request for the money upfront and would discuss the issue with the DT member who has left the tag.

If they remove the tag, I win and my client wins, community would also win.
If I can't convince the DT member to remove the tag, I would present the case to the public to see and judge by themselves, with enough illegit tags I could then convince the community to kick that DT member out of his/her position.

If I could find enough illegit cases, I could earn money while helping the community to get rid of power abuse, if there is not enough power abuse, I would earn no money.

If I don't have enough credit for not using escrow for 0.01 should I use DT members as escrow? the ones I don't trust to have a sound judgment? am I desperate for 0.01? I would shut up if people say that I'm not worth 0.01.

There were at least 3 DT2 members posting on my thread before you tagging me, how come they didn't think of your points made above to tag me? how come you tagged me right after I bumped my application?

Of course you wont remove your tag because you feel that you own this place. I will prove you wrong.

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Somebody who got tagged wrongfully comes to me, I would evaluate their case, if I see they were tagged illegitimately, I would request for the money upfront and would discuss the issue with the DT member who has left the tag.

If they remove the tag, I win and my client wins, community would also win.
If I can't convince the DT member to remove the tag, I would present the case to the public to see and judge by themselves, with enough illegit tags I could then convince the community to kick that DT member out of his/her position.

If I could find enough illegit cases, I could earn money while helping the community to get rid of power abuse, if there is not enough power abuse, I would earn no money.

If I don't have enough credit for not using escrow for 0.01 should I use DT members as escrow? the ones I don't trust to have a sound judgment? am I desperate for 0.01? I would shut up if people say that I'm not worth 0.01.

Escrow has nothing to do with DT. Just another proof that you have no clue about the very thing your service is about.

And of course your "service" isn't worth 0.01 BTC. You're a clown who pretends to be a lawyer.

There were at least 3 DT2 members posting on my thread before you tagging me, how come they didn't think of your points made above to tag me? how come you tagged me right after I bumped my application?

I don't know when you bumped your application nor do I care. I also don't care if other DT2 members tag you or not. That's pretty much the point if the trust system. If everyone was subscribing to the same hive mind we would need this system.

Of course you wont remove your tag because you feel that you own this place. I will prove you wrong.

I won't remove my tag because it's factual and you can't deny anything I posted in my explanation. I'm not sure how you can prove me wrong about something you just made up but have at it.

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Somebody who got tagged wrongfully comes to me, I would evaluate their case, if I see they were tagged illegitimately, I would request for the money upfront and would discuss the issue with the DT member who has left the tag.

If they remove the tag, I win and my client wins, community would also win.
If I can't convince the DT member to remove the tag, I would present the case to the public to see and judge by themselves, with enough illegit tags I could then convince the community to kick that DT member out of his/her position.

If I could find enough illegit cases, I could earn money while helping the community to get rid of power abuse, if there is not enough power abuse, I would earn no money.

If I don't have enough credit for not using escrow for 0.01 should I use DT members as escrow? the ones I don't trust to have a sound judgment? am I desperate for 0.01? I would shut up if people say that I'm not worth 0.01.

Escrow has nothing to do with DT. Just another proof that you have no clue about the very thing your service is about.

And of course your "service" isn't worth 0.01 BTC. You're a clown who pretends to be a lawyer.

There were at least 3 DT2 members posting on my thread before you tagging me, how come they didn't think of your points made above to tag me? how come you tagged me right after I bumped my application?

I don't know when you bumped your application nor do I care. I also don't care if other DT2 members tag you or not. That's pretty much the point if the trust system. If everyone was subscribing to the same hive mind we would need this system.

Of course you wont remove your tag because you feel that you own this place. I will prove you wrong.

I won't remove my tag because it's factual and you can't deny anything I posted in my explanation. I'm not sure how you can prove me wrong about something you just made up but have at it.

Lets see:

My terms in my thread are as follows:

No refund.
Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

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Of course a DT-related thread would not be complete without the scammer extraordinaire pretending like he's an expert and shit...

It's pathetic the way he tries to act all moral when he's holding onto tens hundreds of thousands of dollars in stolen coins.  :/

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Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

And my feedback says you shouldn't be trusted so it's all working out exactly as you expected.

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Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

And my feedback says you shouldn't be trusted so it's all working out exactly as you expected.

Except I'm not a scammer.

I would also like to know if you tagged me after I bumped my application or before? because I'd look guilty if I knew that I was already tagged.

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Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

And my feedback says you shouldn't be trusted so it's all working out exactly as you expected.

Except I'm not a scammer.

Weak sauce. You have proven quite comprehensively that your words don't mean anything.

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Means you either trust me to deliver and would pay me first in good faith or you see and read my terms and pass on my offer.

And my feedback says you shouldn't be trusted so it's all working out exactly as you expected.

Except I'm not a scammer.

Weak sauce. You have proven quite comprehensively that your words don't mean anything.

Am I a scammer?

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May 17, 2018, 12:41:34 PM
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I would like to ask for a better reason as to why suchmoon has left a positive trust on forum member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=313016 ? there is no reference. could we come to conclusion that he is abusing his DT position for personal gains?

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This is posted to counter OgNasty's multiple negative trust ratings against owlcatz.

@suchmoon, why would you counter a negative trust which has a reference pointing to an extortion attempt by owlcatz?
When it comes to your friends you would abuse your power, is this a man we should trust?

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