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 If they agree I will send you 2000 BTC E-bay won't agree because it's against their policy of requiring a payment method that is reversible. The ebay rating system is currently for show for that reason as the buyer will always receive their money back no matter if they practice due diligence or not. |
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February 25, 2011, 04:28:07 PM |
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If they agree I will send you 2000 BTC E-bay won't agree because it's against their policy of requiring a payment method that is reversible. The ebay rating system is currently for show for that reason as the buyer will always receive their money back no matter if they practice due diligence or not. I wonder in the future would they not just offer their own escrow service if they were to accept Bitcoin. This would achieve the same effect I think. Still, it is obvious they are not going to accept it for another (probably long) while. But we have biddingpond anyway. |
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February 25, 2011, 05:21:00 PM |
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Indeed. I mostly stopped selling stuff on eBay because they made it so easy for buyers to run scams and give sellers no help.
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February 25, 2011, 06:49:48 PM |
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E-bay won't agree because it's against their policy of requiring a payment method that is reversible. The ebay rating system is currently for show for that reason as the buyer will always receive their money back no matter if they practice due diligence or not.
Em. A payment per bank is not reversible too. But ebay accepts this. |
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I also have contact the Support from Ebay and asked for the official acceptance of the Bitcoins and I'm wait for a reply from the support.
For the U.S.: Sellers can't require buyers to pay using methods that aren't allowed on eBay or that they didn't include in their listing. For details, see the accepted payments policy. http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html http://pages.ebay.com/help/pay/accepted-payment-methods.htmlI suppose if you listed bitcoin as an optional alternate method for payment, ... and perhaps gave a 3% discount even as an incentive (the same amount you'ld lose to PayPal), then that might enable you to operate without violating eBay's policy yet still make it so some will likely pay with bitcoins. |
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February 25, 2011, 08:19:43 PM |
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In Germany the bank tranfrer are fee-free. And the 3% ist not required. But this is useful Info, thanx!! (the same amount you'ld lose to PayPal), then that might both enable you to operate without violating eBay's policy yet still be likely to receive bitcoins for payment.
I hope you're right. At the time I readed the policy I haven't see the word "optional". This can be useful! |
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How about putting bitcoin in the title of bitcoin buyable items and then a note about bitcoin in the body of the auction?
The ideal would be to drift away from Paypal and Ebay and have a market like biddingpond.com that did not charge near 10% total for transactions. I will soon start to list there (next week) and try it out.
Reputation will be very important on a site like that because scammers will try to infest any site. On a bitcoin driven site, most of the scamming would be done by the seller (not shipping, mis-representing) not by the buyer like in ebay.
Today ebay has made it way to easy to rip a seller off, with the biggest stupid move of eliminating negative feedback option for the seller. Now a scammer can keep doing the same trick to many sellers.
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February 26, 2011, 06:40:48 PM |
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E-bay won't agree because it's against their policy of requiring a payment method that is reversible. The ebay rating system is currently for show for that reason as the buyer will always receive their money back no matter if they practice due diligence or not.
Em. A payment per bank is not reversible too. But ebay accepts this. i don't know what country you hail from but, personally, I have done bank reversals on wire transfers here in the United States. More difficult than a credit card transaction reversal but, still highly possible. Not to go too off topic but this is one of the reason why I enjoy Bitcoin, YOU control your money not some bureaucratic mess(banks, government etc.) |
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February 26, 2011, 06:45:24 PM |
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How about putting bitcoin in the title of bitcoin buyable items and then a note about bitcoin in the body of the auction?
The ideal would be to drift away from Paypal and Ebay and have a market like biddingpond.com that did not charge near 10% total for transactions. I will soon start to list there (next week) and try it out.
Reputation will be very important on a site like that because scammers will try to infest any site. On a bitcoin driven site, most of the scamming would be done by the seller (not shipping, mis-representing) not by the buyer like in ebay.
Today ebay has made it way to easy to rip a seller off, with the biggest stupid move of eliminating negative feedback option for the seller. Now a scammer can keep doing the same trick to many sellers.
This right here(emphasis mine). I will never remove the feature of two way feedback. In the future I might even implement the ability to even block buyers based upon their positive/negative feedback ratio. Right now I'm working on a couple of Bitcoin projects as the sole developer. One of them to be released in the next few days. So, time is definitely limited. |
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February 26, 2011, 06:52:31 PM |
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Indeed. I mostly stopped selling stuff on eBay because they made it so easy for buyers to run scams and give sellers no help.
Agreed! I'm always amazed or upset with consumer rights. In any trade the [scammer] can be on either side. There's no point in saying or assume "the seller" is the scammer or the potential scammer. Then a "consumer", one that is «exclusively a consumer», is a social parasite, because normal people is both, producer and consumer. Market demands balance not grant one all privileges and make the other a sitting duck. A while ago I quit a subscription for one of those "Consumer protection"'s magazine. I found outrageous that 99% of it was about mobile phones - for it I'll go fetch an operator flayer myself, thank you. And then add sections with a title so amazing as "The consumer demands". I really wonder who they think they're, because for "The consumer" they are meaning themselves. And "demands" goes as balanced as «the consumer must have the right to a full refund if return the thing to the shop within 15 days» - WHAT?! So let's say, I buy a pair of tennis, 15 days later go there for the refund, buy another, do the same... over and over... a free pair every 15 days? Was it the idea?!... Gosh!...  |
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February 27, 2011, 08:35:23 PM |
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E-bay won't agree because it's against their policy of requiring a payment method that is reversible. The ebay rating system is currently for show for that reason as the buyer will always receive their money back no matter if they practice due diligence or not.
Em. A payment per bank is not reversible too. But ebay accepts this. i don't know what country you hail from but, personally, I have done bank reversals on wire transfers here in the United States. More difficult than a credit card transaction reversal but, still highly possible. Not to go too off topic but this is one of the reason why I enjoy Bitcoin, YOU control your money not some bureaucratic mess(banks, government etc.) I'm from Germany. And the bank transfer is not reversible (anyway "not", if the transfer already is in the "system"). |
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February 27, 2011, 08:41:21 PM |
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Indeed. I mostly stopped selling stuff on eBay because they made it so easy for buyers to run scams and give sellers no help.
Agreed! I'm always amazed or upset with consumer rights. In any trade the [scammer] can be on either side. There's no point in saying or assume "the seller" is the scammer or the potential scammer. Then a "consumer", one that is «exclusively a consumer», is a social parasite, because normal people is both, producer and consumer. Market demands balance not grant one all privileges and make the other a sitting duck. A while ago I quit a subscription for one of those "Consumer protection"'s magazine. I found outrageous that 99% of it was about mobile phones - for it I'll go fetch an operator flayer myself, thank you. And then add sections with a title so amazing as "The consumer demands". I really wonder who they think they're, because for "The consumer" they are meaning themselves. And "demands" goes as balanced as «the consumer must have the right to a full refund if return the thing to the shop within 15 days» - WHAT?! So let's say, I buy a pair of tennis, 15 days later go there for the refund, buy another, do the same... over and over... a free pair every 15 days? Was it the idea?!... Gosh!... It's true. And it's right. Those people are too seldom. And this is a little price for the customer rights. |
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E-bay won't agree because it's against their policy of requiring a payment method that is reversible. The ebay rating system is currently for show for that reason as the buyer will always receive their money back no matter if they practice due diligence or not.
Em. A payment per bank is not reversible too. But ebay accepts this. i don't know what country you hail from but, personally, I have done bank reversals on wire transfers here in the United States. More difficult than a credit card transaction reversal but, still highly possible. Not to go too off topic but this is one of the reason why I enjoy Bitcoin, YOU control your money not some bureaucratic mess(banks, government etc.) I'm from Germany. And the bank transfer is not reversible (anyway "not", if the transfer already is in the "system"). I`m also from Germany, and bank transfers ARE reversible. Once someone I didn`t know transfered me some money by accident, and I didn`t say a thing. A month or so later my bank called me that the transfer will be reversed, for I was obviously not the intended recipient and the sender did a mistake. Banks here (and everywhere I suppose) have great liberties in reversing transfers that most people are not aware of. Another reason to like bitcoins :-) |
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cool let's see how that goes... operation Paperclip 2.0 |
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March 12, 2012, 10:38:46 PM |
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If enough people ask eBay about BitCoin for escrow (to avoid scamming), would they consider it? Or is that just stupid of me to think?
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March 12, 2012, 11:52:00 PM |
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cool let's see how that goes... operation Paperclip 2.0 Someone else was trying to sell bitcoins in this manner. They are no longer active, so perhaps that didn't end very well (chargebacks can occur up to 180 days after the sale, so sales of these might seem to be going well with no chargebacks and then all of a sudden boom!) - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=14632.msg398096#msg398096If enough people ask eBay about BitCoin for escrow (to avoid scamming), would they consider it? Or is that just stupid of me to think?
Are you suggesting that eBay allow the seller to put in the restriction that payment using bitcoins to an escrow service is required? I can't imagine eBay allowing this for listings on their own site. I suppose what you could do is compose a listing that has terms "cash only, local pickup only" but then in the description mention that the item can be shipped if paid for using bitcoins (through an escrow service if the buyer wishes). |
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June 28, 2015, 05:05:40 PM |
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If they agree I will send you 2000 BTC AHAHAHA |
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