Would you be interested in a "gen-wallet"?

[MisterGuacamole]

Hello!
I'm MisterGuacamole, a new user on these forums. You are all really informative and friendly on here, I love it!

I noticed that more and more altcoins are being made, and it's starting to get really hard to manage them on your computer. For example, I presently have 12 different wallets installed, and it's getting confusing. This is where the "gen-wallet", or general wallet, would interviene. It is a simple Qt application made specifically to mimic the Altcoin-Qt wallet behavior, but with a twist: with a system of plugins you can add "slaves-wallets" to the application (which acts as a "master-wallet"). To illustrate, you could add a slave-wallet for Bitcoin, for Litecoin and for Dogecoin. The master-wallet (application) would contain three tabs, one for each Coin.

In each tab you can do as you would with a normal wallet, that is see your transaction history, send coins, receive coins, etc.

There are many other functionalities, but the main goal of this application would obviously be to have:
No more mess. Organized wallets: organized thoughts.

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To resume,

• Master-wallet that keeps organized the multiple slave-wallets
• Each slave-wallet is a plugin designed for a specific cryptocurrency
• Designed to keep things simple

I would like your personal input. Would you use something like that? Would you support the developpement or wait until its finished?
It's not just a concept; I have already started developping it. In a week or two I should post a thread on the Dev board of this forum here if there's interest/demand, keep tuned!

Thank you for your time and your replies, keep rocking!

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SEE https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387635.msg4223815#msg4223815

[Mikcik]

Yeah i would be interested  asked the question here  on forum few days ago (about "universal wallet"). Do it, just make it simple, quicky, easy, secure and small in size, not tech or programming stuff and i think people would even buy it for money.

[MisterGuacamole]

Yeah i would be interested  asked the question here  on forum few days ago (about "universal wallet"). Do it, just make it simple, quicky, easy, secure and small in size, not tech or programming stuff and i think people would even buy it for money.

You seem to have good suggestions, any specific points beside the ones you mentioned you would like to see in a software like this?

[empoweoqwj]

Hello!
I'm MisterGuacamole, a new user on these forums. You are all really informative and friendly on here, I love it!

I noticed that more and more altcoins are being made, and it's starting to get really hard to manage them on your computer. For example, I presently have 12 different wallets installed, and it's getting confusing. This is where the "gen-wallet", or general wallet, would interviene. It is a simple Qt application made specifically to mimic the Altcoin-Qt wallet behavior, but with a twist: with a system of plugins you can add "slaves-wallets" to the application (which acts as a "master-wallet"). To illustrate, you could add a slave-wallet for Bitcoin, for Litecoin and for Dogecoin. The master-wallet (application) would contain three tabs, one for each Coin.

In each tab you can do as you would with a normal wallet, that is see your transaction history, send coins, receive coins, etc.

There are many other functionalities, but the main goal of this application would obviously be to have:
No more mess. Organized wallets: organized thoughts.

***
To resume,

• Master-wallet that keeps organized the multiple slave-wallets
• Each slave-wallet is a plugin designed for a specific cryptocurrency
• Designed to keep things simple

I would like your personal input. Would you use something like that? Would you support the developpement or wait until its finished?
It's not just a concept; I have already started developping it. In a week or two I should post a thread on the Dev board of this forum if there's interest/demand, keep tuned!

Thank you for your time and your replies, keep rocking!

That's actually a fantastic idea - a multi-coin wallet.

Only issue for me is because of the gigantic size of the bitcoin blockchain, I don't actually use bitcoin-qt at all, prefer electrum, but the idea could still work, as there are plenty of altcoins out there.

So yes, I would use it (for all altcoins). Just have a list of altcoins and allow people to choose which ones they want to use. Include bitcoin of course

[bitpop]

You could look at updating ufasoft

[empoweoqwj]

You could look at updating ufasoft

Link?

[bitpop]

You could look at updating ufasoft

Link?

http://ufasoft.com/coin/

[artw1982]

I'm interested in the idea and the development.

[bitpop]

Gen wallet is a bad name tho. I keep thinking generate and I come here to say vanity gen already does that.

[MisterGuacamole]

That's actually a fantastic idea - a multi-coin wallet.

Only issue for me is because of the gigantic size of the bitcoin blockchain, I don't actually use bitcoin-qt at all, prefer electrum, but the idea could still work, as there are plenty of altcoins out there.

So yes, I would use it (for all altcoins). Just have a list of altcoins and allow people to choose which ones they want to use. Include bitcoin of course

Notes taken A remote server with the blockchain already downloaded for an "instant-on" is a great idea though.

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I'm interested in the idea and the development.

If you are interested in the developpement, PM me with what you would be able to do to contribute!

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Gen wallet is a bad name tho. I keep thinking generate and I come here to say vanity gen already does that.

Agreed, I was thinking maybe Uniwallet or something else.

[majic]

This is hard needed. All the wallets are driving me nuts!

I don't know if QT wallets offer some kind of API system where they communicate commands within a system (non-tcp-ip). But then you could think of a proxy-wallet. A virtual wallet that needs the real wallet to function, but just helps in keeping everything manageable.

The reason I suggest this is because often wallets get updated to fix forks or issues like the 1doge minimum fee to prevent flooding the system. Effectively you also relay responsability for loss and hacking etc to the original wallets, not you. It would make development easier, I think, once past the stage where you have to figure out if you can communicate with individual wallets to provide VirtualWallet interface.

Also I think this would make updating existing wallets friendlier - your wallet could check for the latest version and notify a user.

I guess in a way I'm a bit inspired by MultiMiner and GUIminer, the first also notifying you of new updates (and downloading them upon user confirmation - great!).

Edit: Also perhaps running such wallets in a sandbox might be useful to prevent inter-wallet communication (in case of infected wallet download of some new Alt coin - I'm continuously worried about that).

[artw1982]

Guac, if you use Skype add me. artw1982 

[MisterGuacamole]

This is hard needed. All the wallets are driving me nuts!

I don't know if QT wallets offer some kind of API system where they communicate commands within a system (non-tcp-ip). But then you could think of a proxy-wallet. A virtual wallet that needs the real wallet to function, but just helps in keeping everything manageable.

The reason I suggest this is because often wallets get updated to fix forks or issues like the 1doge minimum fee to prevent flooding the system. Effectively you also relay responsability for loss and hacking etc to the original wallets, not you. It would make development easier, I think, once past the stage where you have to figure out if you can communicate with individual wallets to provide VirtualWallet interface.

Also I think this would make updating existing wallets friendlier - your wallet could check for the latest version and notify a user.

I guess in a way I'm a bit inspired by MultiMiner and GUIminer, the first also notifying you of new updates (and downloading them upon user confirmation - great!).

Edit: Also perhaps running such wallets in a sandbox might be useful to prevent inter-wallet communication (in case of infected wallet download of some new Alt coin - I'm continuously worried about that).

The wallet, if I did my research right, does offer some kind of internal API, because the Qt wallet is just a GUI for bitcoind. When you say a "proxy-wallet", what you mean is the Qt wallet for the coin is directly downloaded to a special directory under the main Wallet's, to be used as a remote for manipulating altcoins? So the main Wallet would not hold coins, but would send commands to the right altcoin wallet? Tell me if I'm mistaken.

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Guac, if you use Skype add me. artw1982 

Will do when I come home.

[bitpop]

There's another guy doing similar, look in my posts for the guy I Pissed off

[majic]

This is hard needed. All the wallets are driving me nuts!

I don't know if QT wallets offer some kind of API system where they communicate commands within a system (non-tcp-ip). But then you could think of a proxy-wallet. A virtual wallet that needs the real wallet to function, but just helps in keeping everything manageable.

The reason I suggest this is because often wallets get updated to fix forks or issues like the 1doge minimum fee to prevent flooding the system. Effectively you also relay responsability for loss and hacking etc to the original wallets, not you. It would make development easier, I think, once past the stage where you have to figure out if you can communicate with individual wallets to provide VirtualWallet interface.

Also I think this would make updating existing wallets friendlier - your wallet could check for the latest version and notify a user.

I guess in a way I'm a bit inspired by MultiMiner and GUIminer, the first also notifying you of new updates (and downloading them upon user confirmation - great!).

Edit: Also perhaps running such wallets in a sandbox might be useful to prevent inter-wallet communication (in case of infected wallet download of some new Alt coin - I'm continuously worried about that).

The wallet, if I did my research right, does offer some kind of internal API, because the Qt wallet is just a GUI for bitcoind. When you say a "proxy-wallet", what you mean is the Qt wallet for the coin is directly downloaded to a special directory under the main Wallet's, to be used as a remote for manipulating altcoins? So the main Wallet would not hold coins, but would send commands to the right altcoin wallet? Tell me if I'm mistaken.

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Guac, if you use Skype add me. artw1982 

Will do when I come home.

That is exactly what I am thinking of. A 'visual frontend' for altcoins you have.
Basically it would become a 'wallet manager' but with an interface that just makes it 'feel' like your coins are actually in the 'omni-wallet' shell. The software furthermore could work with auto-updating new wallets. Because the application is developed centrally theres a few people in charge of looking for updates to wallets (or they get notified by coin-makers, which is ofc. even better).

I am however also concerned about security and wonder if there is a way to sandbox all wallets (akin to a mini virtual machine). I just don't like the idea that wallets and the rest of my computer can interact.
Furthermore I *really* dislike the idea that wallets can access each others files (they are often in the same directory for management's sake, to make things worse).

Ideally the sandbox is two-way : The wallets can only see and access their OWN subdirectory. And nothing in your system can access the wallets because they are encrypted if the users so wishes (this could be a large button/option with mini why-to).

An other option in the wallet-shell could be to make backups of wallet.dat that are automatically zipped with SHA256 and perhaps uploaded or stored somewhere.

In the end many alt-coin wallets cause these problems that need to be solved:
1) Management of assets (list overall balance sheets)
2) Secure assets
3) Backup assets

[MisterGuacamole]

That is exactly what I am thinking of. A 'visual frontend' for altcoins you have.
Basically it would become a 'wallet manager' but with an interface that just makes it 'feel' like your coins are actually in the 'omni-wallet' shell. The software furthermore could work with auto-updating new wallets. Because the application is developed centrally theres a few people in charge of looking for updates to wallets (or they get notified by coin-makers, which is ofc. even better).

I am however also concerned about security and wonder if there is a way to sandbox all wallets (akin to a mini virtual machine). I just don't like the idea that wallets and the rest of my computer can interact.
Furthermore I *really* dislike the idea that wallets can access each others files (they are often in the same directory for management's sake, to make things worse).

Ideally the sandbox is two-way : The wallets can only see and access their OWN subdirectory. And nothing in your system can access the wallets because they are encrypted if the users so wishes (this could be a large button/option with mini why-to).

An other option in the wallet-shell could be to make backups of wallet.dat that are automatically zipped with SHA256 and perhaps uploaded or stored somewhere.

In the end many alt-coin wallets cause these problems that need to be solved:
1) Management of assets (list overall balance sheets)
2) Secure assets
3) Backup assets

So what you want to see is an application that is able to do this:

• Sandboxing each wallet in its wallet-shell (I like that term)
• Encrypt each wallet (but how would the application be able to modify the wallet.dat file?)
• Auto backups and storage in the cloud

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In other news, I was thinking about how exactly the omniwallet would be able to manipulate the slave-wallets (and what it would download) since downloading the whole Qt wallet seems exagerated. I thought about downloading only the bitcoind daemon... ideas on what the application should fetch?

[artw1982]

I added you to my skype Guac. I"m working so I may not respond right away, but I will. Let's get this going. I'll provide the cloud backup too.

[MisterGuacamole]

Let's get this going. I'll provide the cloud backup too.

Let's do this!
I'm still searching for what would be the best wallet to fetch. Maybe the omniwallet could fetch "bitcoind", "litecoind" and such.

[empoweoqwj]

Uniwallet is superb name. I don't like Omniwallet fwiw

[digit]

I would like see a plugin based wallet made if its possible.  Something that would allow new plugins to created by other people to support future coins or electrum like networks that be developed for other coins in future. Plugins could co-exist or share the blockchain data with the official wallet for coin, and the main wallet app would show only the coins that user has added the plugins for.

[TradeAnalyst]

Uniwallet ?

Omniwallet ?

Make it simple for the public

Mywallet simple for sure ....not technical

Or

Ewallet if you prefer something more tech

Richard
www.dogecoin.be

[MisterGuacamole]

Uniwallet is superb name. I don't like Omniwallet fwiw

Yeah these are just temporary names, but I think I'll go with Uniwallet.

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I would like see a plugin based wallet made if its possible.  Something that would allow new plugins to created by other people to support future coins or electrum like networks that be developed for other coins in future. Plugins could co-exist or share the blockchain data with the official wallet for coin, and the main wallet app would show only the coins that user has added the plugins for.

I was going for something like that It sure would be useful to implement wallets as plugins.

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Uniwallet ?

Omniwallet ?

Make it simple for the public

Mywallet simple for sure ....not technical

Or

Ewallet if you prefer something more tech

Richard
www.dogecoin.be

Yeah Uniwallet would be representative of what the product is.

[Sylook]

Although I like the name ''Omniwallet'' (which will be called the ''Omni'', heh a few people might get the reference...) as a Marketing professional I would say that Richard is right and made a couple of great suggestions. I vote for E-Wallet.
 

[empoweoqwj]

Although I like the name ''Omniwallet'' (which will be called the ''Omni'', heh a few people might get the reference...) as a Marketing professional I would say that Richard is right and made a couple of great suggestions. I vote for E-Wallet.
 

E-Wallet sounds too generic too me. Might even be in use and / or TM'd.

Anyway, you just need a working title for now. You can brainstorm the final name once the software is nearly ready.

[bitpop]

We need a code name like KitKat

[MisterGuacamole]

Although I like the name ''Omniwallet'' (which will be called the ''Omni'', heh a few people might get the reference...) as a Marketing professional I would say that Richard is right and made a couple of great suggestions. I vote for E-Wallet.

E-Wallet sounds too generic too me. Might even be in use and / or TM'd.

Anyway, you just need a working title for now. You can brainstorm the final name once the software is nearly ready.

Yeah for now it'll be Uniwallet I think. In my opinion E-wallet sounds too generic while Uniwallet describes simply what the product does.

------- IMPORTANT MESSAGE -------
Let's start a brainstorm on the biggest problem faced by the application: gestion of the subwallets, or "how will the application handle the transactions".

These are the options for now (subject to change with the community's input):

• bitcoind, litecoind, etc. are downloaded directly on the computer. Disadvantages:
  • we need to support at least 3 versions of the [alt]coind software, one for each major OS
• bitcoind, litecoind, etc. are on a remote server and we use the Raw Transactions API (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Raw_Transactions). Disavantages:
  • users have no control over what software version they use, and if one version is infected, every user's transactions will pass by an infected software
  • if the server is down, then Uniwallet is down also
• allow a system of plugins. Makers of the altcoins would have to build a plugin for Uniwallet for the users to download instead of downloading the whole Qt wallet. Disavantages:
  • defeats the purpose of Uniwallet a little bit
  • lots of code duplication and gestion for the devs

What do you think? If your input is important on other points of the software like the name, it's extremely important that you give me suggestions concerning this particular point!
Thank you, and keep rocking!

[12648430]

I think all those options sound good. We could support coins via a plugin API; we'd define a plugin that communicates with *coind's raw transactions API via RPC. A user who doesn't want the disadvantages of option 2 can switch to option 1 for one or more coins by running their own local *coinds.

Besides extensibility in supported coins (which is important since new coins can arise quickly), a plugin architecture allows for multiple backends for a particular coin, i.e. local bitcoind/SPV/electrum depending on the user's security/resource usage tradeoff.

[MisterGuacamole]

I think all those options sound good. We could support coins via a plugin API; we'd define a plugin that communicates with *coind's raw transactions API via RPC. A user who doesn't want the disadvantages of option 2 can switch to option 1 for one or more coins by running their own local *coinds.

Besides extensibility in supported coins (which is important since new coins can arise quickly), a plugin architecture allows for multiple backends for a particular coin, i.e. local bitcoind/SPV/electrum depending on the user's security/resource usage tradeoff.

Yes, this is a great idea. Plugins would be made by me/us/Uniwallet devs at first, but preferably by the *coins distributors/creators after Uniwallet gains popularity. Making plugins should be simple enough that anybody with a little knowledge can do it.

I'll be back January 2,
Happy new year!

[tromp]

or you could call it after what people might use to hold multiple wallets... a purse.

Happy new year!

(also testing my ability to post in non-newbie forum)

[empoweoqwj]

or you could call it after what people might use to hold multiple wallets... a purse.

Happy new year!

(also testing my ability to post in non-newbie forum)

No offence, but sounds a bit "feminine" I guess most bitcoin users are male and wouldnt' want to use a "purse"

[bitpop]

Purse is a great name like circle square etc

[MisterGuacamole]

Watchers, the official thread is here! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=396757.0

[bitpop]

Check this out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=394311.new#new

[empoweoqwj]

Watchers, the official thread is here! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=396757.0

Great - my only comment is that tremendous as I believe the idea is, the actual implementation is probably a lot of work. Apply to seedcoin or similar for some investment money?

[bucktotal]

how about something like "OneWallet" or "WalletOne"

?

[empoweoqwj]

OneWallet is good.

[MisterGuacamole]

Watchers, the official thread is here! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=396757.0

Great - my only comment is that tremendous as I believe the idea is, the actual implementation is probably a lot of work. Apply to seedcoin or similar for some investment money?

Good idea

[empoweoqwj]

Watchers, the official thread is here! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=396757.0

Great - my only comment is that tremendous as I believe the idea is, the actual implementation is probably a lot of work. Apply to seedcoin or similar for some investment money?

Good idea

I might actually invest in SeedCoin if UniWallet was one of the start-ups supported