A lot rides on the way the USA is going to go. (Politics split)

[notme]

None of that changes that every US war in recent years have been wars of aggression. And there is the curious fact that you lost more soldiers to suicide after returning from Iraq, than died in combat. At some point enough data points begin to form a pattern. Your wars are without justification, your society is fucked up, the economy is going to tank in a handful of years. But go ahead and tell yourself everything is fine. Fortunately I live on another continent.

Right, right. Please compare that to vietnam and tell him how US will fall.

All nations go through up and downs. You just keep bitching and moaning without being able to respond to everything that describes how wrong your 'reasons' are.

Your economy will tank before US, unless you are deluding yourself safe


But you just demonstrated perfectly how you don't even bother to read or understand something that completely disproves your view.



Also, this circle jerk was not initiated by Americans. Much squealing and moaning comes from outside of US and funny little bitches who moan while still living in US thinking they are actually safe from consequences of getting too mouthy.

That's a fact. US doesn't give a shit. You deal with us fair, we call it a day. It's that simple.

 

A circle jerk has no beginning and no end.  Grudges between people have always existed and always will.  But acting those grudges out will always amplify the number of grudge holders.  If you think 9/11 came out of nowhere you need to review some history.

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[Ibian]

None of that changes that every US war in recent years have been wars of aggression. And there is the curious fact that you lost more soldiers to suicide after returning from Iraq, than died in combat. At some point enough data points begin to form a pattern. Your wars are without justification, your society is fucked up, the economy is going to tank in a handful of years. But go ahead and tell yourself everything is fine. Fortunately I live on another continent.

Right, right. Please compare that to vietnam and tell him how US will fall.

All nations go through up and downs. You just keep bitching and moaning without being able to respond to everything that describes how wrong your 'reasons' are.

Your economy will tank before US, unless you are deluding yourself safe


But you just demonstrated perfectly how you don't even bother to read or understand something that completely disproves your view.



Also, this circle jerk was not initiated by Americans. Much squealing and moaning comes from outside of US and funny little bitches who moan while still living in US thinking they are actually safe from consequences of getting too mouthy.

That's a fact. US doesn't give a shit. You deal with us fair, we call it a day. It's that simple.

 

The reason the west will fall is very simple. The one thing that is absolutely required for a nation to continue to exist is for it to have people in it. Western fertility levels are below replacement rates, which means in the most literal terms than our nations are dying. There has never been a case in all of recorded history where this trend has been reversed. Politicians try to combat this with massive immigration, which ultimately ends up with the host race becoming a minority in their own country and eventually displaced. As such, every country that has a replacement-level fertility rate is more long term successful than any western country, including the states. This doesn't even take into account the fact that we are living on borrowed money which can never be repaid.

[Honeypot]

None of that changes that every US war in recent years have been wars of aggression. And there is the curious fact that you lost more soldiers to suicide after returning from Iraq, than died in combat. At some point enough data points begin to form a pattern. Your wars are without justification, your society is fucked up, the economy is going to tank in a handful of years. But go ahead and tell yourself everything is fine. Fortunately I live on another continent.

Right, right. Please compare that to vietnam and tell him how US will fall.

All nations go through up and downs. You just keep bitching and moaning without being able to respond to everything that describes how wrong your 'reasons' are.

Your economy will tank before US, unless you are deluding yourself safe


But you just demonstrated perfectly how you don't even bother to read or understand something that completely disproves your view.



Also, this circle jerk was not initiated by Americans. Much squealing and moaning comes from outside of US and funny little bitches who moan while still living in US thinking they are actually safe from consequences of getting too mouthy.

That's a fact. US doesn't give a shit. You deal with us fair, we call it a day. It's that simple.

 

A circle jerk has no beginning and no end.  Grudges between people have always existed and always will.  But acting those grudges out will always amplify the number of grudge holders.  If you think 9/11 came out of nowhere you need to review some history.

Give me a reason why the entire world doesn't have a reason to fuck over the whole of middle east and iran +afghanistan and any muslim fucker within reach, consider they were the first mass enslavers of africans, extortionate 'merchants' that makes greedy jews look tame and extorted fees from all merchants around the world, caused a large part of indigenous persian population to flee to distant edge of the central eurasian world where they were forced to live as nomads, and their religion essentially one of complete conquest and punkish attitude that invaded the byzantine empire and countless other places.

They have no right to hold a 'grudge' against anyone. You need to review your history and know exactly who deserves what.

[Ibian]

That's another point. Why the focus on black slavery? A century before american slavery africa had over a million white slaves. And the arabs were worse than both of those combined, with the twist that they focused on female slaves instead of male ones. And that is still not a reason to go to war with them since, you know, the people who did that are long dead.

[Honeypot]

Laughable idea. If someone wants to make an issue of someone spilling a cup of water, they better be damn ready to pay the price for them not even showing up for work half the year.

As for fertility rates, similiar arguments were made against US in 1980s. The fertility rate actually went up afterwards to a point where it's climbing slowly up surely (sans the economic recession but everyone went down at that point) to a replacement rate. Not to mention in terms of absolute numbers, majority population's young and old and children actually increased over time til now.

It's 2013, not 1989 now.

Things change.

[notme]

None of that changes that every US war in recent years have been wars of aggression. And there is the curious fact that you lost more soldiers to suicide after returning from Iraq, than died in combat. At some point enough data points begin to form a pattern. Your wars are without justification, your society is fucked up, the economy is going to tank in a handful of years. But go ahead and tell yourself everything is fine. Fortunately I live on another continent.

Right, right. Please compare that to vietnam and tell him how US will fall.

All nations go through up and downs. You just keep bitching and moaning without being able to respond to everything that describes how wrong your 'reasons' are.

Your economy will tank before US, unless you are deluding yourself safe


But you just demonstrated perfectly how you don't even bother to read or understand something that completely disproves your view.



Also, this circle jerk was not initiated by Americans. Much squealing and moaning comes from outside of US and funny little bitches who moan while still living in US thinking they are actually safe from consequences of getting too mouthy.

That's a fact. US doesn't give a shit. You deal with us fair, we call it a day. It's that simple.

 

A circle jerk has no beginning and no end.  Grudges between people have always existed and always will.  But acting those grudges out will always amplify the number of grudge holders.  If you think 9/11 came out of nowhere you need to review some history.

Give me a reason why the entire world doesn't have a reason to fuck over the whole of middle east and iran +afghanistan and any muslim fucker within reach, consider they were the first mass enslavers of africans, extortionate 'merchants' that makes greedy jews look tame and extorted fees from all merchants around the world, caused a large part of indigenous persian population to flee to distant edge of the central eurasian world where they were forced to live as nomads, and their religion essentially one of complete conquest and punkish attitude that invaded the byzantine empire and countless other places.

They have no right to hold a 'grudge' against anyone. You need to review your history and know exactly who deserves what.

That's just it.  Nobody deserves to be punished for the sins of their ancestors.  If so, perhaps we ought to arm the African Americans to the hilt and tell them European Americans are fair game.

[notme]

Laughable idea. If someone wants to make an issue of someone spilling a cup of water, they better be damn ready to pay the price for them not even showing up for work half the year.

As for fertility rates, similiar arguments were made against US in 1980s. The fertility rate actually went up afterwards to a point where it's climbing slowly up surely (sans the economic recession but everyone went down at that point) to a replacement rate. Not to mention in terms of absolute numbers, majority population's young and old and children actually increased over time til now.

It's 2013, not 1989 now.

Things change.

Right, now European Americans are much further along on their path to being a minority.  By 2043, they are projected be less than 50% of the population using the latest census data: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121212/whites-be-minority-america-2043-census

The fertility rate increases are all coming from African and Latino Americans.

Now, I'm not sure I can agree with the claim that this will cause the US to fall, but Ibian is right about immigration leading to a mass demographic shift that will dramatically alter the current power structure.

[cryptasm]

LOL sure. Iraq's civilian death as the result of direct US actions was less than the number of people in rest of the world dying from auto accidents and alcohol overdose in a month.

How the hell can you compare US war crimes in Iraq with auto/alcohol deaths? Several independent studies have put civilians deaths at over a million, not forgetting all the Iraqis dying of cancer due to all the depleted uranium left behind by US/UK munitions.

'Scapegoat'? Saddam Hussien and that bitch of a kid of his had plenty of reasons to be fucked before 9/11. Invasion of Kuwait? Gassing of Kurds? You so conveniently ignore all the possibly reasons why Iraq war happened. For the amount of military personnel involved, it was a surgical strike to remove hussein.

Well your loverboy Rummy was best buddies with Saddam back in the day. Have a guess which country sold Saddam the biological and chemicals agents used to gas the Kurds 

[bryant.coleman]

Right, now European Americans are much further along on their path to being a minority.  By 2043, they are projected be less than 50% of the population using the latest census data: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121212/whites-be-minority-america-2043-census

The fertility rate increases are all coming from African and Latino Americans.

I think the White Americans are already a minority. Because the term White non-Hispanic includes several ethnic groups like Arabs, Somalis, Turks, Chechens who are definitely non-white.

[NewLiberty]

Right, now European Americans are much further along on their path to being a minority.  By 2043, they are projected be less than 50% of the population using the latest census data: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121212/whites-be-minority-america-2043-census

The fertility rate increases are all coming from African and Latino Americans.

Now, I'm not sure I can agree with the claim that this will cause the US to fall, but Ibian is right about immigration leading to a mass demographic shift that will dramatically alter the current power structure.

So what?  Americans are from everywhere.  
Skin, eye, and hair color don't make as much a difference in the US as most folks think.

[bryant.coleman]

So what?  Americans are from everywhere.  
Skin, eye, and hair color don't make as much a difference in the US as most folks think.

Well... it makes a difference in the voting patterns at least. Last time 94% of the Blacks, more than 80% of the Asians and more than 75% of the Hispanics voted Democrat.

[Lethn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOc4GSQtr4 - American foreign policy

[Lethn]

So what?  Americans are from everywhere.  
Skin, eye, and hair color don't make as much a difference in the US as most folks think.

Well... it makes a difference in the voting patterns at least. Last time 94% of the Blacks, more than 80% of the Asians and more than 75% of the Hispanics voted Democrat.

Even Republicans have publicly admitted that mathematically they can't win without the vote of ethnic majorities

[notme]

Right, now European Americans are much further along on their path to being a minority.  By 2043, they are projected be less than 50% of the population using the latest census data: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121212/whites-be-minority-america-2043-census

The fertility rate increases are all coming from African and Latino Americans.

Now, I'm not sure I can agree with the claim that this will cause the US to fall, but Ibian is right about immigration leading to a mass demographic shift that will dramatically alter the current power structure.

So what?  Americans are from everywhere.  
Skin, eye, and hair color don't make as much a difference in the US as most folks think.

So I was providing evidence to counter Honeypot's denial of the shift in demographics.  I know it doesn't make much difference, but I guess my comment might look a bit racist when you take it out of context.

[chowderman]

GO AMERICA!!! WE INVENTED FREEDOM!!!

[Schleicher]

GO AMERICA!!! WE INVENTED FREEDOM!!!
http://doctortrex.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/patriotism.jpg

I think it would be "more free" if you could see nipples 

[Lethn]

GO AMERICA!!! WE INVENTED FREEDOM!!!
http://doctortrex.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/patriotism.jpg

I think it would be "more free" if you could see nipples 

I was just going to say but you beat me to it, the censorship of the body etc. is a classic example of western hypocrisy

[bryant.coleman]

I was just going to say but you beat me to it, the censorship of the body etc. is a classic example of western hypocrisy

Hypocrisy? Yes. But Western, maybe.

At least Western porn is not censored. On the otherhand, watching Japanese porn is quite irritating, because of their pixelation. The Japanese even censor their porn! So who is more hypocritical? Westerners or the Easterners?

[Lethn]

I hate them all ffs lol there's nothing more irritating for me than censored porn especially considering my thing for asian girls lol, that said in defence of the Japanese apparently the porn censorship was done as a result of American occupation but I'd have to double check that pretty much all countries in the world seem to have some kind of silly paranoia against letting people see a naked body in public and yet they're totally okay with scaring the shit out everyone by constantly posting murder and rape stories hmmm >_> .

[chowderman]

GO AMERICA!!! WE INVENTED FREEDOM!!!
http://doctortrex.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/patriotism.jpg

I think it would be "more free" if you could see nipples 

Maybe it was her free choice not to show her nipples?