We must abandon money to attain world peace

[Haidang1796]

wild personality swings.. must be on drugs. that or he is bi-polar?

=)) lol. the idea is unreachable cos human has been using "money" to trade since their existence . But anyway, if it's possible then world peace is possible

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[bitcoin freak]

a world without money is basically a utopian ideal. is money really evil or is it the people who hold it?

Screw money as humanity needs a system of resource redistribution. Not only the currency should depend on energy - the currency should be energy itself.

[counter]

It makes on wonder if the saying money is the root of all evil is spot on.  We use money to enslave each other it seems and give the control to psychopath control freaks that clearly can't be trusted.  I wonder if we would have world peace even if we figured out how to fix the problems we have with money but it is a huge step in the right direction if you ask me.

[Tonka Branded Truck]

Without money most people would be lazy. People need rewards to do their job.

[counter]

Without money most people would be lazy. People need rewards to do their job.

Not so sure you looking at the big picture.  What is a "reward" if your currency is being devalued and printed out of nothing add the things you need go up in price at the same time.  People will work to pay for services they need and want and people will provide them services for payment it's as simple as that.  except there isn't the corruption and blatant abuse of power.

[bitcoin freak]

It makes on wonder if the saying money is the root of all evil is spot on.  We use money to enslave each other it seems and give the control to psychopath control freaks that clearly can't be trusted.  I wonder if we would have world peace even if we figured out how to fix the problems we have with money but it is a huge step in the right direction if you ask me.

Well as they say the love of money is the root of all evil. Since you use the services of the system - you implicitly delegate the control of your life to those control freaks. Money is one of the main services of the system. No matter how much they love their money, the fact is - they accumulate ridiculously huge amount of it literally sucking all the energy from working people. Plutocrats are those vampires who consume life energy from people. Thus, abandoning money would serve as a bullet of silver to them.

[Mike Christ]

The nations without money in the past have all been hyper-violent; this occurs because the socialist countries, without a pricing mechanism, run out of resources made in a market system and can't figure how to distribute new ones efficiently enough, thus resulting in a need for this nation to conquer to keep itself going and a need to enslave and murder its own members to keep what's left functioning.  We saw this with the purely moneyless societies of the past and continue to see this with partially socialist nations of today, where non-market institutions interfere and, for example, commit to hidden taxes via inflation to support massive militaries to commence the conquering; the trend is, the more moneyless a society gets (that is, the less money in the hands of the individual controls his surroundings wherein politics supersedes his decision making), the more chaos ensues.

Money is the root of all evil like guns are the root of all murders like books are the root of all philosophy like cat memes are the root of the Internet like art is the root of all creativity like machines are the root of all productivity.  Money is not a symbol of greed; it is merely another tool which is falsely attributed to acts which only humans can commit to.  To wish for the removal of money as a means to attain peace is to wish for the removal of computers as a means to protect children: it's missing the fundamental human component which greed inhabits to begin with.  Money does not inflate itself; money does not initiate war; money does not starve nor impoverish anyone, it is an object, it cannot think or do or say or control.  Only people can do this, and these people exist to commit evil acts with or without the existence of money, and have proven to be much more effective without.

If it's true that voluntary exchange is always peaceful, then world peace is achieved through global voluntaryism.  Nothing more, nothing less; it's not any real puzzle, it's a very basic, logically simple argument--the difficulty is in the emotional toll required of us as a species to recognize where our involuntary associations are and to stop them.  Where we are forced to follow, violence, war, slavery, famine, and other thefts always succeed; peace can only be achieved when these associations end, when we allow each other the right to decide who we will associate with and who we will not, whether it be friends, family, businesses or leaders.  When we assert that someone must be jailed for disagreeing with our politics (say, for example, putting someone in jail because they like a similar gender, or because they wanted to keep their hard-earned cash for themselves), we lend ourselves to the increasing detriment of society.

[dank]

Money facilitates trade. Trade benefits all parties involved.

OP has been spouting this nonsense for as long as I've seen his user name on these forums.

Now, I could get behind the idea that we need to abandon money which is created and controlled by a select few and the majority of the benefit is funnelled to those few, but that isn't what the OP is proposing.

Money facilitates greed.  Humans facilitate trade.  You can simply ask for something and receive something without the need to hand each other monopoly money.

When you trade something for no monetary gain you are still receiving something in return.  You receive positive energy, peace, happiness, pick your label.  Helping others makes you happy and that is what life is about.  You can own the world but it doesn't mean a damn thing if you're not happy.

The nations without money in the past have all been hyper-violent; this occurs because the socialist countries, without a pricing mechanism, run out of resources made in a market system and can't figure how to distribute new ones efficiently enough, thus resulting in a need for this nation to conquer to keep itself going and a need to enslave and murder its own members to keep what's left functioning.  We saw this with the purely moneyless societies of the past and continue to see this with partially socialist nations of today, where non-market institutions interfere and, for example, commit to hidden taxes via inflation to support massive militaries to commence the conquering; the trend is, the more moneyless a society gets (that is, the less money in the hands of the individual controls his surroundings wherein politics supersedes his decision making), the more chaos ensues.

Money is the root of all evil like guns are the root of all murders like books are the root of all philosophy like cat memes are the root of the Internet like art is the root of all creativity like machines are the root of all productivity.  Money is not a symbol of greed; it is merely another tool which is falsely attributed to acts which only humans can commit to.  To wish for the removal of money as a means to attain peace is to wish for the removal of computers as a means to protect children: it's missing the fundamental human component which greed inhabits to begin with.  Money does not inflate itself; money does not initiate war; money does not starve nor impoverish anyone, it is an object, it cannot think or do or say or control.  Only people can do this, and these people exist to commit evil acts with or without the existence of money, and have proven to be much more effective without.

If it's true that voluntary exchange is always peaceful, then world peace is achieved through global voluntaryism.  Nothing more, nothing less; it's not any real puzzle, it's a very basic, logically simple argument--the difficulty is in the emotional toll required of us as a species to recognize where our involuntary associations are and to stop them.  Where we are forced to follow, violence, war, slavery, famine, and other thefts always succeed; peace can only be achieved when these associations end, when we allow each other the right to decide who we will associate with and who we will not, whether it be friends, family, businesses or leaders.  When we assert that someone must be jailed for disagreeing with our politics (say, for example, putting someone in jail because they like a similar gender, or because they wanted to keep their hard-earned cash for themselves), we lend ourselves to the increasing detriment of society.

I call bullox.  Plenty of civilizations have coexisted with nature through peaceful communities that shared resources.

Money's sole purpose is to mark possession.  It's sole purpose is greed, paint it up as nice as you want, the purpose of money is saying this is mine and that is yours.  Is money the root of all evil?  No, our ego's are.  And money is the tool our ego's invented to facilitate and enable our possessive, greedy, divisionary lifestyles.

If it's true that voluntary exchange is always peaceful, then world peace is achieved through global voluntaryism.

That's why I said we must abandon money to attain world peace.  So long as you can buy another man's will, corruption will ensue.

World peace is beyond money, true peace, that is.  World peace is an ascension of human consciousness where negativity no longer encumbers earth and every soul on this planet is gaining inner peace by every passing minute.  When we rid ourselves of negativity, then we are truly free from all restraints and life becomes heaven, anything becomes possible.

[bitcoin freak]

That's why I said we must abandon money to attain world peace.  So long as you can buy another man's will, corruption will ensue.

World peace is beyond money, true peace, that is.  World peace is an ascension of human consciousness where negativity no longer encumbers earth and every soul on this planet is gaining inner peace by every passing minute.  When we rid ourselves of negativity, then we are truly free from all restraints and life becomes heaven, anything becomes possible.

With respect to your (presumably) good intentions, unfortunately it is not possible to abandon money. However, it is possible to modify the system so that money will lose its anonymity. Bitcoin is a huge step to make it possible.

[dank]

That's why I said we must abandon money to attain world peace.  So long as you can buy another man's will, corruption will ensue.

World peace is beyond money, true peace, that is.  World peace is an ascension of human consciousness where negativity no longer encumbers earth and every soul on this planet is gaining inner peace by every passing minute.  When we rid ourselves of negativity, then we are truly free from all restraints and life becomes heaven, anything becomes possible.

With respect to your (presumably) good intentions, unfortunately it is not possible to abandon money. However, it is possible to modify the system so that money will lose its anonymity. Bitcoin is a huge step to make it possible.

That's simply untrue, of course it's possible.  Money does not make the world go round.  Money is a set of made up numbers.  We make the world go round and we can do so way more efficiently than with a financial system retarding progression as a species.

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[bitcoin freak]

That's why I said we must abandon money to attain world peace.  So long as you can buy another man's will, corruption will ensue.

World peace is beyond money, true peace, that is.  World peace is an ascension of human consciousness where negativity no longer encumbers earth and every soul on this planet is gaining inner peace by every passing minute.  When we rid ourselves of negativity, then we are truly free from all restraints and life becomes heaven, anything becomes possible.

With respect to your (presumably) good intentions, unfortunately it is not possible to abandon money. However, it is possible to modify the system so that money will lose its anonymity. Bitcoin is a huge step to make it possible.

That's simply untrue, of course it's possible.  Money does not make the world go round.  Money is a set of made up numbers.  We make the world go round and we can do so way more efficiently than with a financial system retarding progression as a species.

Yes money is a set of made up numbers, but the numbers are real. Everything is made of numbers. Without it consider yourself powerless. Furthermore, if you don't suggest anything better in order to replace money - then it means nothing. You have to calculate things somehow and if you say numbers is not the right way of doing the calculation, then what is the right way?

[Malin Keshar]

if some of us abandon money, the others still can buy weapons and bars and slave us. First everyone should destroy all weapons at same time, then abandon money.


But still some thugs will make stone weapons and slave others, so I think the solution should be another way

[bitvestor]

Well, send me all your bitcoins and cash, i promise to abandon it for you..

[kuroman]

we must abondon blind capitalism world wide, and have a more balanced system, socialism is getting there but its not perfect of course, people should stop carring about themselfs and start caring about each other and this won't change unless education being it parental, society or the one you get in school change

[BitCoinsLOL]

 I don't know Ron that sounds kind of crazy. Yeah sounds like you have mental problems.

Name the movie and scene, very famous 

[zolace]

Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. - Jesus (John 14:27)