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August 30, 2011, 11:52:12 AM
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...You can't deal with my infinite nature can you?


-asks me to explain some shit to him, tells me I'm not qualified.
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bravo!
Win!  Grin

no no no...

FLAWLESS VICTORY!

Serious, shit had me in grins. XD
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August 30, 2011, 12:03:10 PM
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Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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August 30, 2011, 12:23:26 PM
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August 30, 2011, 11:23:36 PM
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What kind of music you listen to, is it full of discord and noise?

Who doesn't like Alanis Morissette?

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August 30, 2011, 11:42:18 PM
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What kind of music you listen to, is it full of discord and noise?

Who doesn't like Alanis Morissette?

you are a woman?
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August 30, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
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I agree that all the promoting is a bad idea.  All the promoting you need is to use it.

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August 31, 2011, 01:04:26 AM
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What kind of music you listen to, is it full of discord and noise?

Who doesn't like Alanis Morissette?

you are a woman?

Would you be disappointed if I was? Not that there's anything wrong with how you feel about men or women. Just follow your heart and be happy with who you are.

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August 31, 2011, 01:58:04 AM
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Evoorhees, I applaud your efforts. I did not get a chance to read the TED page, but I would have thought TED would be receptive to nouveau Technology Et Design.

like it's the best kept secret ever

But in general, I have to admit Tasty Champa makes a good point. People are impressed with results not ideas. Of the Jungian sensing/intuition dichotomy, 70% of people prefer (perceive the world through) sensing rather than intuition (saying nothing of general resistance to advertising).

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Sensing and intuition are the information-gathering (perceiving) functions. They describe how new information is understood and interpreted. Individuals who prefer sensing are more likely to trust information that is in the present, tangible and concrete: that is, information that can be understood by the five senses. They tend to distrust hunches, which seem to come "out of nowhere." They prefer to look for details and facts. For them, the meaning is in the data. On the other hand, those who prefer intuition tend to trust information that is more abstract or theoretical, that can be associated with other information (either remembered or discovered by seeking a wider context or pattern). They may be more interested in future possibilities. They tend to trust those flashes of insight that seem to bubble up from the unconscious mind. The meaning is in how the data relates to the pattern or theory.


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August 31, 2011, 02:48:50 AM
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Got a response from them after I inquired why the convo was removed:

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You are welcome to repost your conversations, but maybe consider formulating a bit less like promotion to avoid it being removed by our moderators again.


Thanks,

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I don't understand why they claimed it sounded "promotional"?  Most of the post I made was phrased in question form, such as "in what ways will Bitcoin permit various economic groups to interact across government boundaries.." etc. My only guess is that the mod there figured that Bitcoin was like Paypal, in being a company/organization. With that frame of reference, I can see why any mention of Bitcoin might seem promotional.

It does bother me that I must now repost a new convo, and hope that new people comment on it. I'm going to respond to their email and ask if the first post can be re-instated, and that I will edit it to fit better within their guidelines.

All part of the struggle =)
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August 31, 2011, 04:06:55 AM
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Got a response from them after I inquired why the convo was removed:

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You are welcome to repost your conversations, but maybe consider formulating a bit less like promotion to avoid it being removed by our moderators again.


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I don't understand why they claimed it sounded "promotional"?  Most of the post I made was phrased in question form, such as "in what ways will Bitcoin permit various economic groups to interact across government boundaries.." etc. My only guess is that the mod there figured that Bitcoin was like Paypal, in being a company/organization. With that frame of reference, I can see why any mention of Bitcoin might seem promotional.

It does bother me that I must now repost a new convo, and hope that new people comment on it. I'm going to respond to their email and ask if the first post can be re-instated, and that I will edit it to fit better within their guidelines.

All part of the struggle =)

When spending time on anything you hold with intellectual value, keep a copy.
Also, I didn't respond to you because of your conducted level of abrasiveness.
Since you are determined to do this, please be completely subjective in your writing,
maybe even write about it like an outsider.
Let them also understand the pitfalls, as well as the benefits. You will get the discussion you want when you allow all points of view and do not try to control it's direction. Since you are taking this to thinkers, you have to allow them to think freely and unhindered. You really have to let them decide.
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September 02, 2011, 01:04:05 PM
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Got a response from them after I inquired why the convo was removed:

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You are welcome to repost your conversations, but maybe consider formulating a bit less like promotion to avoid it being removed by our moderators again.


Thanks,

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I don't understand why they claimed it sounded "promotional"?  Most of the post I made was phrased in question form, such as "in what ways will Bitcoin permit various economic groups to interact across government boundaries.." etc. My only guess is that the mod there figured that Bitcoin was like Paypal, in being a company/organization. With that frame of reference, I can see why any mention of Bitcoin might seem promotional.

It does bother me that I must now repost a new convo, and hope that new people comment on it. I'm going to respond to their email and ask if the first post can be re-instated, and that I will edit it to fit better within their guidelines.

All part of the struggle =)

In my opinion, the most important contribution (by far) of bitcoin is that it enables true 2 party transactions to occur over the internet.  That has profound social implications and might be something that the TED crowd would would be interested in hearing about.  The fact that bitcoin isn't issued by a central authority is of secondary importance.

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September 02, 2011, 01:58:46 PM
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Talk about a double standard.  This "discussion" is basically a commercial for Shell.  We're not even a corperation.

http://www.ted.com/conversations/4228/a_conversation_with_shell_how.html
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September 02, 2011, 02:04:31 PM
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In my opinion, the most important contribution (by far) of bitcoin is that it enables true 2 party transactions to occur over the internet.  That has profound social implications and might be something that the TED crowd would would be interested in hearing about.  The fact that bitcoin isn't issued by a central authority is of secondary importance.

This is TED.  The problem isn't "promotion", it is that you are trying to promote the wrong thing.

Try rewriting it in the language of self-promotion.  You explain the social implications, but the subtext needs to be that you are totally awesome because you understand this cool new thing, and by extension the audience will be much cooler than all of the dumb proles out there because now they know it too.

And before anyone flames me, go watch a few talks.

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September 02, 2011, 03:11:30 PM
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In my opinion, the most important contribution (by far) of bitcoin is that it enables true 2 party transactions to occur over the internet.  That has profound social implications and might be something that the TED crowd would would be interested in hearing about.  The fact that bitcoin isn't issued by a central authority is of secondary importance.

This is TED.  The problem isn't "promotion", it is that you are trying to promote the wrong thing.

Try rewriting it in the language of self-promotion.  You explain the social implications, but the subtext needs to be that you are totally awesome because you understand this cool new thing, and by extension the audience will be much cooler than all of the dumb proles out there because now they know it too.

And before anyone flames me, go watch a few talks.

TED is about rich people finding new shinies that will "change the world." There have been some great things brought to light through TED, but they are all too often then developed as weapons or buried as IP. Bitcoin can be neither.

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September 02, 2011, 03:20:36 PM
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you guys can shit on TED all you want but im pretty sure they removed the bitcoin posting because of the general immaturity and bellicose postings, if you want to be taken seriously be the utmost professional you can... what was exhibited on that page before being taken down was not professional, invoked a flame war... yada yada yada
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September 02, 2011, 03:25:02 PM
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you guys can shit on TED all you want but im pretty sure they removed the bitcoin posting because of the general immaturity and bellicose postings, if you want to be taken seriously be the utmost professional you can... what was exhibited on that page before being taken down was not professional, invoked a flame war... yada yada yada
If it was anything like this forum, it makes sense that they removed it.

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September 02, 2011, 03:27:42 PM
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you guys can shit on TED all you want but im pretty sure they removed the bitcoin posting because of the general immaturity and bellicose postings, if you want to be taken seriously be the utmost professional you can... what was exhibited on that page before being taken down was not professional, invoked a flame war... yada yada yada
If it was anything like this forum, it makes sense that they removed it.

We'll never know now, will we?

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September 02, 2011, 03:28:01 PM
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you guys can shit on TED all you want but im pretty sure they removed the bitcoin posting because of the general immaturity and bellicose postings, if you want to be taken seriously be the utmost professional you can... what was exhibited on that page before being taken down was not professional, invoked a flame war... yada yada yada
If it was anything like this forum, it makes sense that they removed it.


Yes, Evoorhees, perhaps you could start another TED conversation and not announce it on here, just to give it a chance to survive. On the other hand, you have to figure that when Sam Harris gives his TED talk, there's going to be hundreds of religious fanatics trying to derail it as well, yet somehow fail to do so.
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September 02, 2011, 03:32:37 PM
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please dont ever compare bitcoin to atheism or the four horsemen of the apocalypse ever again
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September 02, 2011, 03:36:27 PM
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please dont ever compare bitcoin to atheism or the four horsemen of the apocalypse ever again

Well, I for one intend to do what I feel like doing. But perhaps it might be educational for you to understand that what I was comparing was two ideas, both of them controversial in some way or another, both engendering strong passions in both adherents and detractors, which nevertheless have resulted in two radically different outcomes when it comes to the TED conferences. In that sense, they are eminently comparable.
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