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May 20, 2018, 12:30:23 PM
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I've read a lot of comments about the difficulties that non-English speakers have in gaining merits, so I'm starting this thread to give a few of them a chance to pick up some merits from posts they have made on their local language boards. In order to be considered, the post will need to have a sponsoring translator, and he will need to be a full member to post in this thread. Both the original post and the sponsoring post must comply with ALL of the rules in the sticky referring to posts in the Ivory Tower. The only exception is the rank requirement for the local language poster. This offer is open to all ranks, but, of course the sponsoring poster will need to be a full member to post here.

Note that posts in the Ivory Tower must be made in good English, and should not contain images or heavy formatting. Don't quote the foreign language post, but do include a link at the start of your post. You should also include the name of the OP, so that in the event that I decide the post is merit worthy, then I can award merit. Topics should be related to Bitcoin, or the use of crypto-currencies in global or national economies. They should also be unique, and not just personal interpretations of posts that can be found on the English language boards.

I'm going to start this off with a thread starting post from the Spanish board. I chose it because it had already been awarded a merit. I'm not a Spanish speaker, so I've used Google translate for this example - don't do this! Please translate the post into understandable English, and not Google speak.
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May 20, 2018, 01:36:59 PM
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First post in a thread started by Gothorum - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3793866.0

People are increasingly interested in knowing the world of bitcoin, an example of this is that the number of conferences that are given is increasing, and not only that, but to the conferences more and more people attend, soon it is celebrated one in New York, under the title Consensus of CoinDesk, is expected to attend more than 4,000 people, and eye, as they publish, the entrance costs 2,000 dollars, so it will raise no less than 8 million dollars, obviously, nobody Pay an entry like this if you are not really interested.

The truth is that the price of the entry seems abusive, and against the basis of the cryptocurrency, I mean, that if this was created to eradicate a little social differences, now it turns out that these people take advantage of the pull to return to mark social differences. But it is that this event is not unique, there are scheduled 20 more at least and many of them with a price per ticket similar to this.

Eye, I think it's great that there are more and more conferences, that goes in favor of bitcoin, but is it really necessary to charge those prices?


Translated by Google as an example post - please do not use Google for your posts.
Note that I replaced the post title with a translation of the thread title.
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<...<

What an awesome initiative, JC, I've made a post on the Spanish board as well asking the people to share those which they consider the better. I will try to translate some of my favorites, but, please, notice my English is far from being perfect.

This is one of the most awesome threads on the Spanish Section. Also, it has many useful quotes, so the entire thread worth reading. It was started by Gothorum and he added more and more information related to the regulations in Europe and Spain regarding crypto.
I will try to translate some of the best quotes, but they are many, so, if anyone is interested in working on it, there it goes: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2859339.0

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Very nice initiative, and a good way to give visibility to underrated local board posts on the English sections. Let’s hope it goes as desired and proposed posts do indeed stick to meritable posts and not a churn of any kind of post.

P.D. In case you’re wondering on the "eye" google translation of Gothorum’s post, it’s a kind of "mind you".
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May 20, 2018, 09:08:53 PM
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Good initiative, it is an honor for me to use my thread as an example, thank you.
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Another good one in the Spanish board, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3514647.0
She's talking about cloud-mining with no consent and which kind of websites have this practice. Coinhive seems to be an enterprise dedicated to cloud mining in some websites. At the very moment you get into the site, they put immediately your computer into mining, making the computer suffer and stealing your computational power from you. There are some websites in which they ask for your permission, but, apparently, there are few.
in the post, she also explains how to discover the plugin by searching into the code. Maybe we should ask her to translate it, but, due her rank, I'm afraid she cannot post in here.
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A newbie with a brain  Grin (Spanish Board): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3922124.0

Translation:
"Do not repeat the SUPER ADVISORS history in the ICO


In the long road we have undertaken in the world of blockchain and cryptocurrencies, we have found a recurring theme, which apparently is a vice that comes from something older than the original idea of ​​these projects.

In many societies, the state pretended to make us believe that citizens were and are unable to protect their interests, and this incapacity could only be covered by superior beings, called in ancient times wise, touched by the grace of the gods, in the Currently, these are social protection institutions, which, for example, protect the worker from himself, keeping and controlling social benefits, since if they receive it, they will not be able to manage it.
In closer cases, there is traditional banking, where not long ago, a specific surname was required, or the membership of a defined club, which would allow the foundation of a bank, taken to extremes in the form of banking associations and other , where they come to demand the incorporation of people with "trajectory" within the work team, because otherwise, there could be a disaster, since more nobody knows about that topic.

All these aberrations of the financial system, were those that the cryptocurrencies in their fundamental objective, wanted to abolish, to remove from the control of few the control of the personal finances of each and every one of us.
So much so, that as a fable or reality its founder disappears from the map once the birth of this new technology is consolidated.

But the customs of the past, seem to have remained, today, for each new venture is necessary to have a group of "experts" in the field. A group of self-anointed advisors in super beings, who for the few who have not tried to innovate in this area, will see that the cost is not low, at least we are talking about 5% of the company that will be in the hands of these people, which do not work for contribution to the technology, if not, they have a price, that if you do not cover it, it happens that the market will not accept you.
the projects are evaluated by the associated work team, it does not seem bad, but how many Ponzi schemes have been made in front of these supposed advisors, or those advisors did not share a cubicle with which today they talk about a speculative bubble, they are experts who are in favor, not against?


The market requires new methods of evaluation, more individual responsibility in the evaluation of projects and ICOs, we can not expect everything to be chewed and protected by a superior being to be held responsible for, we must be able to evaluate and assume our risks.

This new era requires us not to change the old actors for new ones that do the same game, and create the same club to which very few will be invited, unless they pay the membership, we can not just change one for another, we must change the scheme and assume total control of our decisions based on our evaluation, and not the evaluation of a third party, which sometimes does not even evaluate, only charges for it."



(I used Google translator 'cause I don't have much time, sorry for that)
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May 27, 2018, 07:23:38 PM
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I've read a lot of comments about the difficulties that non-English speakers have in gaining merits
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The first think that comes to my mind is that this post would need to be in local languages  Grin

It is relatively easy to get merit on the Spanish forum but... I had in mind opening a merit review thread there and this may be a good time. So, if anyone feels that his post in the Spanish forum has not been properly considered just ask for a review. Just make sure that the post is decent and no older than a few weeks -  if it is real crap I will ignore you for a month.

Please, make sure that the post does have a decent chance of merit and also please make sure that you have not participated in merit trading with your alts or friends. Also, I am suspicious of newbies asking questions that have been solved many times. Sometimes those are the reasons why merit is not given.

There are a few people that are very active in the Spanish forum bringing news. I sometimes merit those, but I would be happy if more knowledge about the market, mining and original problem-solving were brought here. Some hints:

- A long post is not always "meritorio".
- An opinion is an opinion and if it does not bring knowledge or something new I won´t merit it.
- I will merit you even if I disagree as long as your post is well thought. A merit is not a "like" and I don´t have ownership of all truth.
- I don´t merit more in my threads than in others.
- Helping others effectively is highly recommended.

What I would like to drive is a section that is a source of good information and help for everyone and increase the number of people who regularly visit it.

Now... let´s go and talk crypto.




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A newbie with a brain  Grin (Spanish Board): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3922124.0

Translation:
"Do not repeat the SUPER ADVISORS history in the ICO


In the long road we have undertaken in the world of blockchain and cryptocurrencies, we have found a recurring theme, which apparently is a vice that comes from something older than the original idea of ​​these projects.

In many societies, the state pretended to make us believe that citizens were and are unable to protect their interests, and this incapacity could only be covered by superior beings, called in ancient times wise, touched by the grace of the gods, in the Currently, these are social protection institutions, which, for example, protect the worker from himself, keeping and controlling social benefits, since if they receive it, they will not be able to manage it.
In closer cases, there is traditional banking, where not long ago, a specific surname was required, or the membership of a defined club, which would allow the foundation of a bank, taken to extremes in the form of banking associations and other , where they come to demand the incorporation of people with "trajectory" within the work team, because otherwise, there could be a disaster, since more nobody knows about that topic.

All these aberrations of the financial system, were those that the cryptocurrencies in their fundamental objective, wanted to abolish, to remove from the control of few the control of the personal finances of each and every one of us.
So much so, that as a fable or reality its founder disappears from the map once the birth of this new technology is consolidated.

But the customs of the past, seem to have remained, today, for each new venture is necessary to have a group of "experts" in the field. A group of self-anointed advisors in super beings, who for the few who have not tried to innovate in this area, will see that the cost is not low, at least we are talking about 5% of the company that will be in the hands of these people, which do not work for contribution to the technology, if not, they have a price, that if you do not cover it, it happens that the market will not accept you.
the projects are evaluated by the associated work team, it does not seem bad, but how many Ponzi schemes have been made in front of these supposed advisors, or those advisors did not share a cubicle with which today they talk about a speculative bubble, they are experts who are in favor, not against?


The market requires new methods of evaluation, more individual responsibility in the evaluation of projects and ICOs, we can not expect everything to be chewed and protected by a superior being to be held responsible for, we must be able to evaluate and assume our risks.

This new era requires us not to change the old actors for new ones that do the same game, and create the same club to which very few will be invited, unless they pay the membership, we can not just change one for another, we must change the scheme and assume total control of our decisions based on our evaluation, and not the evaluation of a third party, which sometimes does not even evaluate, only charges for it."



(I used Google translator 'cause I don't have much time, sorry for that)

I read this one a while ago. I am sorry but this does not deserve merit in my view. Maybe some other member will consider it.
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Another good one in the Spanish board, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3514647.0
She's talking about cloud-mining with no consent and which kind of websites have this practice. Coinhive seems to be an enterprise dedicated to cloud mining in some websites. At the very moment you get into the site, they put immediately your computer into mining, making the computer suffer and stealing your computational power from you. There are some websites in which they ask for your permission, but, apparently, there are few.
in the post, she also explains how to discover the plugin by searching into the code. Maybe we should ask her to translate it, but, due her rank, I'm afraid she cannot post in here.

This one has a merit form dmrdmr, who by the way writes excellent posts and has done good analysis of the forum.
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I read this one a while ago. I am sorry but this does not deserve merit in my view. Maybe some other member will consider it.

Yep is far from perfect, but this is from a newbie. Maybe I'm so used to read the newbies in the English section just typing non-senses lines that I feel it be constructive, intelligent and with a point, something more and more strange each day.
The other one, yep, has a merit, very deserving, but if you feel the best way to be on topic (I mean, crypto only), this is a nice suggestion to me. We are just trying to figure out how to make it: give some vision to good posters, no matter the language, and also merit some good young members and encourage them to keep going on.
The reality is we still cannot develop a whole system of how are we doing to do that. Besides, JC is really interested in the political situation in Venezuela, for instance, so good topics with that topic will be probably merited as well.
I think the crypto world is not only about how it works, what software to use, which coin to choose, but about society and how the mere existence of this emerging new economic system is affecting people thoughts and behave. Each technological change implies a social one. And this part is really interesting, as well, and needs to be analyzed in a Bitcoin discussion forum like this one, for the social behaviors and changes are directly related to new technology.
But that's my point of view. And we don't have to agree, the more different points of view we have, the more different approaches the new tech receives, and, also, the more different kind of members will be here in the forum, so, the more interesting it gets  Wink
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I read this one a while ago. I am sorry but this does not deserve merit in my view. Maybe some other member will consider it.

Yep is far from perfect, but this is from a newbie. Maybe I'm so used to read the newbies in the English section just typing non-senses lines that I feel it be constructive, intelligent and with a point, something more and more strange each day.
The other one, yep, has a merit, very deserving, but if you feel the best way to be on topic (I mean, crypto only), this is a nice suggestion to me. We are just trying to figure out how to make it: give some vision to good posters, no matter the language, and also merit some good young members and encourage them to keep going on.
The reality is we still cannot develop a whole system of how are we doing to do that. Besides, JC is really interested in the political situation in Venezuela, for instance, so good topics with that topic will be probably merited as well.
I think the crypto world is not only about how it works, what software to use, which coin to choose, but about society and how the mere existence of this emerging new economic system is affecting people thoughts and behave. Each technological change implies a social one. And this part is really interesting, as well, and needs to be analyzed in a Bitcoin discussion forum like this one, for the social behaviors and changes are directly related to new technology.
But that's my point of view. And we don't have to agree, the more different points of view we have, the more different approaches the new tech receives, and, also, the more different kind of members will be here in the forum, so, the more interesting it gets  Wink


Note taken, this user can apply for a "story review". I am not 100% familiar with the situation in Venezuela...fortunately perhaps.
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May 28, 2018, 06:24:05 PM
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Did you guys see the preliminary note that i put in a new Talk Merit projects sub-directory?
http://talkmerit.com/projects/ivory-tower-project.html
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Would you be interested in this post, where I analyze the possible economic scenarios of Brazil after the presidential election?

We will have an election in October and one of the concerns is about the value of the Dolar in relation to our local currency. In this post I describe how the economic policy should be followed by each candidate based on how the likely economic ministers of each think. Brazil is going through dark times, and at the moment we are facing a general strike of truck drivers. Where there is no fuel at all.

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I think anything from a BRICS country is interesting ( certainly to me ). Your post is in reply to a question, and to use it as a stand alone comment, yiou would need to prepend a paragraph to include the question. I only translated the first paragraph, but I'd certainly be interested in working with you to see if we can create an Ivory Tower post.

You will need to join the Fit to Talk project, and I will create a suitable board. my first reaction was to create one for the Portuguese language, but i can see us ending up with a large number of boards with only a few posts in each of them. I have an Italian and Latin board, which I call 'amore et labore', and I could expand that to include all Romance languages. Would you object to that?
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>..<

I think anything from a BRICS country is interesting ( certainly to me ). Your post is in reply to a question, and to use it as a stand alone comment, yiou would need to prepend a paragraph to include the question. I only translated the first paragraph, but I'd certainly be interested in working with you to see if we can create an Ivory Tower post.

You will need to join the Fit to Talk project, and I will create a suitable board. my first reaction was to create one for the Portuguese language, but i can see us ending up with a large number of boards with only a few posts in each of them. I have an Italian and Latin board, which I call 'amore et labore', and I could expand that to include all Romance languages. Would you object to that?

I agree. The point is, whatever language you come from, to create a good post to BT, so maybe what the FitToTalk project needs is to become even more international.
English has become the "common language" (as in the Lord of The rings), so we can make many languages converge into good-English topics creation.
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I did this one. Keep in mind my English is not perfect so maybe you need to adjust the grammar.

Original Italian
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3864505.msg37486269#msg37486269

In rete trovi sicuramente spiegazioni meglio articolate però provo a darti una risposta "scientifica".
La distribuzione di probabilità che meglio si addice all' estrazione di bitcoin è la bernoulliana quindi
Probabilità di estrazione=n!/(n-k)!*p^k*(1-p)^(n-k) dove:
n=numero di tentativi provati in 10 minuti->n=hashpower della rete totale*10minuti
k=numero di tentativi accettabili->k=1
p=probabilità di successo-> hashpower delle tue macchine/hashpower della rete
Puoi farti tranquillamente i conti precisi ma verrà una probabilità con 0 periodico praticamente  Grin
Questo perche n!/(n-1)! è praticamente 1 per via di n molto grande; p è dell' ordine di 10^-9 quindi 1-p è circa 0.999999 che elevato ad un numero molto grande è di un ordine minore di 10^-44 (basta vedere che 0.99999^(10^9) è dell' ordine di 10^-44 e considerare che n-1 invece è di un ordine enormemente superiore al miliardo).
Quindi avrai un 10^-9 per un qualcosa di ordine molto piccolo quindi ad essere ottimisti avrai
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000012% di probabilità di minare il blocco.
Buona fortuna  Grin




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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4143120.msg38653646#msg38653646


On the internet, you will definitely find better explanations, but I am trying to give you a "scientific" answer.
The probability of distribution that is best matched to bitcoin extraction is the Bernoulli distribution, therefore
Probability of extraction = n!/ (N-k)!*P^k*(1-p)^(n-k) where:
n=number of tried attempts in 10 minutes ->n=hashpower of the total network*10minutes
k=number of acceptable attempts->k=1
p=probability of success-> hashpower of your machines / hashpower of the network
You can quietly do the math but it will result a probability with 0 periodically  Grin
This is because n!/(n-1)! is practically 1 because of a big value of n; p is of the order of 10^-9 therefore 1-p is about 0.999999 which when raised to a very large number it will become in an order less than 10^-44 (just see that 0.99999^(10 ^ 9) is of the order of 10^-44 and consider that n-1 instead is of an order extremely superior to one billion).
So you will have a 10^-9 multiplied for something with a very small order, so to be optimistic you will have 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000000012% of probability to mining the block.
Good luck  Grin.
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May 29, 2018, 02:52:44 PM
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It isn't just Venezuela, but the whole world situation that is starting to unravel. The appointment of the ex-IMF official Carlo Cottarelli in Italy is going to cause problems. He is very pro-EU at a time when the EU is being shoved under the bus. The imprisonment of Tommy Robinson in the UK is massive, and could be the catalyist to pull down globalist influence. As Bitcoiners, we have to be aware of these changes, and their impact on the world financial systems.
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>..<

I think anything from a BRICS country is interesting ( certainly to me ). Your post is in reply to a question, and to use it as a stand alone comment, yiou would need to prepend a paragraph to include the question. I only translated the first paragraph, but I'd certainly be interested in working with you to see if we can create an Ivory Tower post.

You will need to join the Fit to Talk project, and I will create a suitable board. my first reaction was to create one for the Portuguese language, but i can see us ending up with a large number of boards with only a few posts in each of them. I have an Italian and Latin board, which I call 'amore et labore', and I could expand that to include all Romance languages. Would you object to that?

I signed up for fittotalk.com. And it seems to me that your suggestion is really the best since the Spanish section is very likely to have many more posts and include the Portuguese there would be confusing. But how would it look?

Fit to talk English »The Spanish Main and the Colosseum» amore et labore » Romance ?

Would I have to wait for the creation of a section, or could I post directly in amore et labore the translation of my post so you could help me?
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I signed up for fittotalk.com. And it seems to me that your suggestion is really the best since the Spanish section is very likely to have many more posts and include the Portuguese there would be confusing. But how would it look?

Fit to talk English »The Spanish Main and the Colosseum» amore et labore » Romance ?

Would I have to wait for the creation of a section, or could I post directly in amore et labore the translation of my post so you could help me?

I'm sorry to be slow in replying to you. I seem to have taken on rather a lot recently.  The idea was to start a thread in the preposting discussions board in the Spanish Main. I need to create a guidelines post, as the information is littered all over the place. If you are 'hot to trot', then you could start a thread there, and we can sort things out a bit later. It might take a day or so for me to put together the formal structure. In fact, it could be useful for you to start now, and that would give us some idea of the problems, and the optimal structure to use.
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