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September 07, 2011, 11:57:02 PM
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On a recent podcast, Hiro White says he is long-term friends with the Mybitcoin guys.  That seems like a big, fat trail to follow.

PM, hiro@agoristradio.com or hiro@jabber.rayservers.com


On 09/06/2011 09:15 AM, Angus Boyd wrote:
> Hello Hiro,
> you gave a podcast of great interest to a lot of people when you talked
> about your long-term friends at mybitcoin.  Who are these friends of
> yours?  A lot of people were wronged in that situation and they are
> quite understandably seeking answers. The bitcoin community has proven
> very resourceful at sorting out who is innocent and who is guilty, and
> pretty fair in how they deal with each.
>
> I hope you respond to this message with useful information.

Hello Angus. Stay tuned to future CoinBase episodes where I will talk
more of the subject.


  It certainly sounds good on the surface. And I hate to lump someone's actions into some sort of miscontrived reasoning. Buttttt, in my short years on this earth when a group has all the answers and spends a significant amount of time avoiding giving some it is a usual indication of a very carefully crafted bullshit play in route....

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September 08, 2011, 12:14:21 AM
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On a recent podcast, Hiro White says he is long-term friends with the Mybitcoin guys.  That seems like a big, fat trail to follow.

PM, hiro@agoristradio.com or hiro@jabber.rayservers.com


On 09/06/2011 09:15 AM, Angus Boyd wrote:
> Hello Hiro,
> you gave a podcast of great interest to a lot of people when you talked
> about your long-term friends at mybitcoin.  Who are these friends of
> yours?  A lot of people were wronged in that situation and they are
> quite understandably seeking answers. The bitcoin community has proven
> very resourceful at sorting out who is innocent and who is guilty, and
> pretty fair in how they deal with each.
>
> I hope you respond to this message with useful information.

Hello Angus. Stay tuned to future CoinBase episodes where I will talk
more of the subject.


  It certainly sounds good on the surface. And I hate to lump someone's actions into some sort of miscontrived reasoning. Buttttt, in my short years on this earth when a group has all the answers and spends a significant amount of time avoiding giving some it is a usual indication of a very carefully crafted bullshit play in route....

very good pt.  so many ppl got ripped off and Hiro withholds the identities of the thieves for a podcast show?  i may have to stop listening to him.
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September 08, 2011, 02:52:33 AM
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I'm pretty sure he's not going to reveal any names on his podcast.
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September 08, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
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Hiro said;

"I've known for many, many years"
"philosophical and moral values"
"not any form of scammer"
interested in "liberty and true real money"


very good pt.  so many ppl got ripped off and Hiro withholds the identities of the thieves for a podcast show?  i may have to stop listening to him.

He also mentioned Occam's razor.

It seems to me that your assumption that the operator of MBC stole anything is based on nothing and the explaination Williams gave is far simpler than these crazy theories.

Tom Williams said an unknown party hacked the MBC server and made off with the bitcoin. He then gave up on the project and divided up what remained amongst the users.

Wagner's statement that the system stopped sending payments and was still accepting payments in the 24 hrs preceeding the outage has never been corroborated. In fact, it's just plain false. We have all seen spends that have take hours to confirm. Perhaps he misinterpreted while waiting for the network to confirm. For whatever reason he said so, we know it to be a false statement.

As I recall, the operator of MBC continually suggested that people NOT store their coins in the system. The sweep function was designed to make it easy to clear out business receipts as they came in. Also, as I recall, the addition of an email address to a user's account was made optional in response to users' complaints that requiring it was an invasion of privacy. There is no way to reset a password if the user has not left a valid email address. Those people who were unable to reset a forgotton password were those same people who refused to leave an email address. That was always their own choice.

Bruno's statment that MBC was paying Bruce for advertising is also false. In fact, the opposite was true. Bruce was asked repeatedly to stop associating himself with the MBC system because his lurid past was known to the operators since November. They were not keen to have Bruce's filth rub off on them. MBC was never a commercial enterprise, it was an operation without a cash register. To become more busy meant more computer and human resources were spent to maintain it. Frankly, the operators had no incentive to become busier. The advertising sales revenue model proved to be folly when it was discovered that none of the users wanted to advertise. I quit my own paid support of the system when it became appearent to me that it was being used as a clearing house for payments made to a child sex tourism business being run out of NYC.

These actions do not look like part of a plan to scam.

As for the current silence on the part of the operators, Bruce did tell us the the FBI had been in contact with him. I don't believe much of what Bruce says. It's more likely that it was himself that called the police in. Regardless of how the cops got involved, let's assume they are. What would lawyers advice their clients? Silence. What would police threaten to those witnesses who talked? Obstruction of justice charges.

Occam's razor; The simplest answer is probably the correct one. As I see it, MBC got hacked. Williams told the truth about that. He gave up on an unrewarding project and returned what was not stolen. Anarchists seeking authority called the cops. The cops and the lawyers told the MBC principles to shut up.

Simple. Now all we can do is wait until the police are done with this or until the gag order has been lifted. I have seen that take years in some cases.

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September 08, 2011, 08:31:17 PM
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very good pt.  so many ppl got ripped off and Hiro withholds the identities of the thieves for a podcast show?  i may have to stop listening to him.

He also mentioned Occam's razor.

It seems to me that your assumption that the operator of MBC stole anything is based on nothing and the explaination Williams gave is far simpler than these crazy theories.


thats very true.  thankfully i wasn't involved in any way with MBC and didn't lose anything.  its an intriguing study nonetheless and i am interested to see if anything does come out of this altho from what you say most likely nothing will transpire. 

truthfully i'm more interested in learning how one conducts investigations over the Internet and how one connects the dots in attempting to discover one's identity or location.  this may or may not be the right thread to learn these techniques but at least people are trying here to find something of value whether it be a wild goose chase or not.
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September 08, 2011, 09:27:13 PM
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I'm not at all satisfied with "Tom Williams" description of events.  Many people's passwords stopped working a good month before the supposed "hack" occurred and this has never even been addressed by "Tom".  If "Tom" and the guys behind mybitcoin are innocent they should emerge and provide evidence for their claims.  Until then, they should be regarded as thieves, IMO.
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September 08, 2011, 09:47:26 PM
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I'm not at all satisfied with "Tom Williams" description of events.  Many people's passwords stopped working a good month before the supposed "hack" occurred and this has never even been addressed by "Tom".  If "Tom" and the guys behind mybitcoin are innocent they should emerge and provide evidence for their claims.  Until then, they should be regarded as thieves, IMO.

Are you not listening? Nobody is going to show you anything until the law is done.

The passwords stopped working because the Mt Gox thieves changed them. The people who foolishly used the same passords for both systems were robbed faster then MBC could stop it. Only those who left an email address could hope for a password reset. For most of them, it was already too late as their holding had already been spent away.

You get something in your head and nothing can dislodge it. I must be a fool for trying to talk sense to you. You personally were actually used as an example of the impossible overhead of support. Note that I did not say customer support, you, like all the others was never a customer. You used a free service and when you got robbed you refused to accept the responsibility. You had bad password habits and you got stung. You can't accept responsibility and are crying for some anarchist's authority to help you lay the blame somewhere else. Suck it up. You fucked up and are the only one to blame.

And before you go lying about your password here, remember that I have all the microlionsec documents.

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September 09, 2011, 04:09:39 AM
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Are you not listening? Nobody is going to show you anything until the law is done.

No law is doing anything about mybitcoin. Get real.

You personally were actually used as an example of the impossible overhead of support.

I personally was actually used as an example of the impossible overhead of support?  What are you talking about? You're creeping me out.

You used a free service and when you got robbed you refused to accept the responsibility. You had bad password habits and you got stung. You can't accept responsibility and are crying for some anarchist's authority to help you lay the blame somewhere else. Suck it up. You fucked up and are the only one to blame.

No doubt, I, and a lot of people learned a hard lesson about password security. Still unexplained is why arrogant pricks like yourself seem to so enjoy rubbing it in.  I think you've probably made mistakes too.  But where do you get off saying I'm crying for authorities?  I'm going after the perps directly actually. Most of the people here seem to be doing the same.

And before you go lying about your password here, remember that I have all the microlionsec documents.
And here you can go fuck yourself you angry, miserable prick. I am apparently too honest for this world. You, on the other hand, seem well suited for it, but at what price to yourself.
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September 09, 2011, 04:28:29 AM
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Yes, your MBC account problem is your own fault. Another of your faults is the endless stream of crybaby emanating from your pie hole.

https://encrypted.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=%22Angus+Boyd%22+bitcoin&pbx=1&oq=%22Angus+Boyd%22+bitcoin&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=8346l10302l1l10691l8l8l0l0l0l0l305l1815l0.2.5.1l8l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3e82efc6cc141df0&biw=1270&bih=852

Another fault you might work on; spewing insults that you would never have the gall to say IRL.


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September 09, 2011, 07:45:56 AM
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One thing is for sure, nanaimogold knows a lot about MBC, it's inner workings, problems and whatnot...

It looks like the bitcoin-police got the right guy...

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September 09, 2011, 11:55:39 AM
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One thing is for sure, nanaimogold knows a lot about MBC, it's inner workings, problems and whatnot...

It looks like the bitcoin-police got the right guy...


Agreed. He even has the microlionsec documents.

BTW, what's a "microlionsec document"?
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September 09, 2011, 01:54:24 PM
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One thing is for sure, nanaimogold knows a lot about MBC, it's inner workings, problems and whatnot...

It looks like the bitcoin-police got the right guy...


Agreed. He even has the microlionsec documents.

BTW, what's a "microlionsec document"?

If I had any money on MBC i would put the mounties on nanaimogold tail for the MBC fraud.

I guess he's saying that he has the database for all MBC users, so, he's 1 of 2:
The MBC operator aka Tom Williams
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The hacker who stole the money.

Get this fraudster fellows, he sure deserves it, even more after trying to divert attention from himself with the claims that BW is a pedophile.

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September 09, 2011, 03:08:41 PM
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One thing is for sure, nanaimogold knows a lot about MBC, it's inner workings, problems and whatnot...

It looks like the bitcoin-police got the right guy...


Agreed. He even has the microlionsec documents.

BTW, what's a "microlionsec document"?

If I had any money on MBC i would put the mounties on nanaimogold tail for the MBC fraud.

I guess he's saying that he has the database for all MBC users, so, he's 1 of 2:
The MBC operator aka Tom Williams
OR
The hacker who stole the money.

Get this fraudster fellows, he sure deserves it, even more after trying to divert attention from himself with the claims that BW is a pedophile.

Another one who spouts off what he would never have the guts to say in person.

Electronic payment systems have been used since electronics were invented. Just because this is new to you does not mean you were first in. I know so many people and have so much insider information about payment systems and the attendent crime because I am an insider, and have been since before many of you were even born, since before the internet was popular, since before the web was even invented.

Deception is like an onion, peel off a layer and look, another layer. I'm nost surprised that those less experienced are more likley to be deceived, but what really does surprise me is the appearant lack of regard to consequence exhibited by members of this "community". Shit you do and say does have repercussions in the real world. Also surprising is the collective aversion to historical lessons. Stuff did happen already. Your denying that does not change reality.

This is not a game. When you shut off your Colecovision console, your actions are not lost. Things you post here remain practically forever. It might take months or years, but all pigeons come home to roost.

You said you wanted answers, well now you have them. I'm not surprised you are dissapointed. Reality is just ordinary, not like the amazing fantasy world contrived to entertain you.

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September 09, 2011, 03:22:07 PM
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Another one who spouts off what he would never have the guts to say in person.

I'm not anonymous.
I would call you out on person if I had been robbed by you(or by someone you know and protect), so STFU.

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September 09, 2011, 05:54:23 PM
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Tom Williams is a fictional character.

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September 09, 2011, 06:00:59 PM
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Tom Williams is a fictional character.

Thank you for that precious piece of information...  Roll Eyes

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September 11, 2011, 08:03:29 AM
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We'll Phinnaeus, don't rush on the ebook... all my VexCoins were auto-converted to CosbyCoins... unless you will accept them instead?

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September 20, 2011, 05:24:02 PM
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If I had any money on MBC i would put the mounties on nanaimogold tail for the MBC fraud.

I guess he's saying that he has the database for all MBC users, so, he's 1 of 2:
The MBC operator aka Tom Williams
OR
The hacker who stole the money.


OR he could be Shane Smith, father of Dalin Owens, who owns mybitcoin.com, link2voip.com, and bitcoin4cash.com according to...

http://bitcoin.crimeunit.net/wiki/index.php/MyBitcoin_Somerandomguy_irc_log
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September 20, 2011, 08:06:39 PM
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If I had any money on MBC i would put the mounties on nanaimogold tail for the MBC fraud.

I guess he's saying that he has the database for all MBC users, so, he's 1 of 2:
The MBC operator aka Tom Williams
OR
The hacker who stole the money.


OR he could be Shane Smith, father of Dalin Owens, who owns mybitcoin.com, link2voip.com, and bitcoin4cash.com according to...

http://bitcoin.crimeunit.net/wiki/index.php/MyBitcoin_Somerandomguy_irc_log

http://www.practiciel-limousin.net/detail/857/owen-dalin-s.html

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mQGORTenDuUJ:mybitcoinnow.pastebay.com/pastebay.php%3Fdl%3D134636+%22dalin%40dalinowen.com%22&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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September 20, 2011, 08:39:17 PM
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If I had any money on MBC i would put the mounties on nanaimogold tail for the MBC fraud.

I guess he's saying that he has the database for all MBC users, so, he's 1 of 2:
The MBC operator aka Tom Williams
OR
The hacker who stole the money.


OR he could be Shane Smith, father of Dalin Owens, who owns mybitcoin.com, link2voip.com, and bitcoin4cash.com according to...

http://bitcoin.crimeunit.net/wiki/index.php/MyBitcoin_Somerandomguy_irc_log

Well, there you go. Case closed. lol

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