[SCAM ALERT] ***********EMUNIE - CAUTION ADVISED*************

[r3animation]

I'm a beta-tester for eMu and I must say Fuseleer is building great software for it. If this is some kind of scam, he sure is doing alot more work then needed.

I have NXT and have used it's software extensively and if I were to compare software, eMu is far ahead in terms of development.

Just throwing my experience out there.

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[billotronic]

What worries me about emunie is the fact that new emunie will be created to keep the price stable.

This may be OK with me, but where does the money go to when new emunie is created and sold?

What scared me also is that any talk about this on the forum has moderators yelling about how you can't talk about it. Others also told me that it was said you will not get rich on this coin.

What I can see is that the original creator will pocket the pre-sale money, then they will also pocket the money when new coins are sold onto the market.

Yes, I heard some of the newly generated coins (maybe 50%) will go to the people already holding them, but what about the other 50%?

Simply put, this was created to put money into the original developers pockets. Maybe you can make some, but half or more will go to the developers.

However, you guys better do your homework here because they are very strict on the forum about people talking about this stuff. Seems like they want to silence and hide it as they know they are setting up to take a lot of money from you guys, and intend to take it also through selling newly made coins after the pre-purchase. They will get all pre-sales money, and at least 50% of after sales money from what I can read. Could be even worse.

To me it is not 100% scam, they won't be running out the door with your money. But they are scamming you by taking all your pre-sale money for what they claim are development costs. We all know how much it costs to develop these coins, close to nothing. They also will scam you guys out of new coins generated to keep the price stable. They sell them and keep at least half of the money.

I liked this coin and even wrote that it had a fair distribution in other posts here on bitcointalk in the past. However, I wonder what is up and I don't like the forum banning talks about how the currency will be price controlled and where the money will go. Again, do your homework before throwing down money.

I am not saying this is a scam coin, it is just that I don't really understand it fully yet and also any talk about how the new emunie will be split up is banned on the forum. I had other good sources tell me they were skeptical also. Do your homework. This coin will not work like a bitcoin. It will be price stabilized so it will always be say 10 cents a coin. New coins will have to be made if demand makes the coin higher than 10 cents. Money from newly purchased coins does not flow back fully to the investors.

You need to come spend some time reading our forums. As a moderator I can tell you that there are no 'banned' talks about anything other then the name eMunie. This is just plain FUD. Every single statement here is false and half of it can be found here on the bitcoin talk forums.

eMunites are a bunch of tards, imho.

Cossak,

My man! I can not thank you enough for helping the eMunie cause by bringing us so much good press. These hilarious threads boost our new sign ups every time you run one. Is there any way you can keep this up, say once a week at least till we launch?

For services rendered we are willing to pay you 9001 BTC out of the scam fund assuming our market saturation meets its goal. Heres to keeping our fingers crossed!


xoxoxo

billotronic

weakest argument so far

I was told not to curse at people any more. I agree, but it had to be addressed.

Look at the end of the day we could have really had some clarification on eMunie. Instead we get counter claims attacking the integrity of the posters credentials. From now on could we please get some clarification on the points mentioned without slander from either side.

You do well to address cossokaman and Maet and potential conflicts of interest(well not exactly but bitterness maybe). Visin your second link about the NXT post you didn't link the identity to Cossokman or Maet and without it it appears poor play but anyway I digress. I know from my own reading some points/issues which were brought up have been clarified but not all of them.

Could we please just get some clarification of the points mentioned rather than the cossokman/maets personal background?

Furseeler/Dan has not addressed some of these points yet which is a good thing as I think he usually has a lot more professionalism and maturity which I hope would make up for the lack thereof from the current eMunie founding members.

Anyone who wants clarification is more than welcome to come to fourms.emunie.com and see what we have to offer. There is no one wanting to steal your money. You people are arguing about a project that at this time wont even take your money! Of course it's a scam!

xoxo

billotronic

[td services]

I am waiting for a response to the post I made on the eMunie forum to avoid a repeat of what happened with NXT. It has been several days. Either you have a set time period and/or capitalization limit for investment or you don't. Saying it may be arbitrarily ended without notice at any time by the founder  really means there is neither a set time frame nor cap limit.

from eMunie forum, http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/992-important-information-regarding-public-pre-launch-sale/page-7 :

Timb, on 26 Dec 2013 - 5:07 PM, said:

    Yes that is possible, discouraged but possible.

    There is currently no limit on the amount of coins being distributed in total, Fuserleer may choose to close the presale if he believes enough have been distributed. There are currently no plans or any mentions that there will be a total cap.

Could we please have better definition on this? It would help a lot if there is either a specific deadline date with no limit on distribution or a specific cap distribution limit to watch for if it is being approached prior to the planned ending date. It would also be good to have advance warning of the sale closing. NXT closed six weeks early without warning during the presale and I had the door slammed in my face while asking for similar definition on investment deadlines because of this kind of ambiguity. This has left me with a very strong bias against NXT.

[Jamesco]

Look at the end of the day we could have really had some clarification on eMunie. Instead we get counter claims attacking the integrity of the posters credentials. From now on could we please get some clarification on the points mentioned without slander from either side.

You do well to address cossokaman and Maet and potential conflicts of interest(well not exactly but bitterness maybe). Visin your second link about the NXT post you didn't link the identity to Cossokman or Maet and without it it appears poor play but anyway I digress. I know from my own reading some points/issues which were brought up have been clarified but not all of them.

Could we please just get some clarification of the points mentioned rather than the cossokman/maets personal background?

Furseeler/Dan has not addressed some of these points yet which is a good thing as I think he usually has a lot more professionalism and maturity which I hope would make up for the lack thereof from the current eMunie founding members.

[atta2k15]

thx 4 update 

[extee]

are you two in it together or are you the same person?
did someone really pay you the bounty or you trolling for kicks?
https://i.imgur.com/kyaWMfK.png

also hate to break it to  you  but you ain't the only one who can use google lol.
dan used his real name and nickname all along and purposely....anyone could have looked him up at any time...showing he's got nothing to hide unlike you.
what do we know about satoshi/sunny king?....not much.it doesn't matter. all we judge is the technology.
many inventors innovators started out their careers with dubious activities. rigging and maximizing ads revenues ain't no biggie in my eyes.
kim dotcom did it for years (and on top of that hosting copyrighted stuff) and is seen as a hero and respect person in the internet world.
i will judge just the technology....if the coin is technologically better than what we have I'll buy....if it sucks i won't.
and before I invest in a presale i ask to see at least a video of the client in action etc....which i'm sure along with the whitepaper will be avilable during presale.
people with 300+ posts here and with good rep say they have tried the beta....but we must trust 2 newbies out of nowhere who say there isn't one and that it is all a sham? lol
info from people who are using the beta:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404431.0
everything indicates that is NOT a scam.

[Edward50]

What worries me about emunie is the fact that new emunie will be created to keep the price stable.

This may be OK with me, but where does the money go to when new emunie is created and sold?

What scared me also is that any talk about this on the forum has moderators yelling about how you can't talk about it. Others also told me that it was said you will not get rich on this coin.

What I can see is that the original creator will pocket the pre-sale money, then they will also pocket the money when new coins are sold onto the market.

Yes, I heard some of the newly generated coins (maybe 50%) will go to the people already holding them, but what about the other 50%?

Simply put, this was created to put money into the original developers pockets. Maybe you can make some, but half or more will go to the developers.

However, you guys better do your homework here because they are very strict on the forum about people talking about this stuff. Seems like they want to silence and hide it as they know they are setting up to take a lot of money from you guys, and intend to take it also through selling newly made coins after the pre-purchase. They will get all pre-sales money, and at least 50% of after sales money from what I can read. Could be even worse.

To me it is not 100% scam, they won't be running out the door with your money. But they are scamming you by taking all your pre-sale money for what they claim are development costs. We all know how much it costs to develop these coins, close to nothing. They also will scam you guys out of new coins generated to keep the price stable. They sell them and keep at least half of the money.

I liked this coin and even wrote that it had a fair distribution in other posts here on bitcointalk in the past. However, I wonder what is up and I don't like the forum banning talks about how the currency will be price controlled and where the money will go. Again, do your homework before throwing down money.

I am not saying this is a scam coin, it is just that I don't really understand it fully yet and also any talk about how the new emunie will be split up is banned on the forum. I had other good sources tell me they were skeptical also. Do your homework. This coin will not work like a bitcoin. It will be price stabilized so it will always be say 10 cents a coin. New coins will have to be made if demand makes the coin higher than 10 cents. Money from newly purchased coins does not flow back fully to the investors.

You need to come spend some time reading our forums. As a moderator I can tell you that there are no 'banned' talks about anything other then the name eMunie. This is just plain FUD. Every single statement here is false and half of it can be found here on the bitcoin talk forums.

Take a look at this moderator, talking about closing down threads when talking about price appreciation. Not only that he threatened to lock/delete threads like this in the future.

GUYS LOOK FOR YOURSELF

http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1061-emunie-appreciation-launch-unlikely/page-3

You then say there are no banned talks?

Guys, better do your homework about how all this will work. Just how much money will flow into the developers hands and how the new coins sold in the future will be distributed.




Here is what is said in the post from eMunie web developer called Visin. On a thread titled
  

eMunie appreciation @ launch unlikely! (?)

This left me with a bad feeling as I was reading the thread and curious to how appreciation in the currency will be distributed. Seems like they want it to be kept quiet because they plan on taking most of the coins appreciation. I am surprised nobody on this thread is talking about this. The guy above who claims to be a moderator is saying nothing is banned, yet go look for yourself. Talks about price appreciation, and exactly about how new emunie will be split up is banned talk.

Below is quoted directly from "Visin" on emunie forum. I guarantee the thread will now be deleted. But I already took a snapshot of it.

Really, do I have to close another thread?

Dan has not said anything 100% final yet, you will know nothing until the day of launch whenever that day may be.

I've said it before, and I will say it again... nothing is official until Dan says it.

These kind of threads will be locked/deleted in the future without notice.

[tesslerc]

Lol.. well i think the eMu beta testers have defended eMu enough.

Ok you are right, eMunie is a scam, this coin will fail ok? so now stop spamming everywhere about it, ignore emunie don't invest and come back and cry in half a year when you missed the ride of your life.

[testerx]

Reading his posts on blackhatworld it doesn't really sound like he was scamming people, he wrote a bunch of crappy apps and sent out what sounds like spam e-mails to get ad revenue and affiliate commission revenue from retailers.  I mean it's not the nicest sounding way in the world to make money but it's not scamming anybody, at worst he's guilty of being a spammer since it sounds like went around posting links to random forums and websites to try and get traffic.  I don't see how any of this makes eMunie illegitimate though.  The fact that it's closed source is somewhat concerning, but mostly from the viewpoint that there may be critical vulnerabilities that we won't be able to recognize.  I *very briefly* ran a similar business once for two weeks and there was nothing illegitimate about it.  It was hard as hell to get revenue without resorting to spamming-I ended up getting some traffic anyways just by putting links in signatures on forums where I was already very established but I probably would have made a lot more money if I had spammed the hell out of it.  Ended up making about a hundred bucks within a week of launch even without tons of spam before I pulled the plug (had too much other work I had to prioritize) but there was nothing scammy about it at all-I just collected affiliate commissions for convincing people to buy stuff from large retailers.  I'm pretty sure that since I was making a hundred bucks with only a few thousand hits a day and within a week of launch that it'd be perfectly doable to make $1000+ daily if you had a large enough audience.  Nothing about it sounds like a scam, the only thing really to criticize is that spamming is lame but that's about it. 

[procrypto]

I remember the eMunie beta launch, and exchanged a couple of PMs with the guy though didn't follow it up. I didn't learn enough about eMunie to form an opinion then and haven't now.

That aside, my comment is specifically about your comments regarding the Black Hat World (BHW) forum.

   Daniel also had membership on Blackhatworld

Sounds scary. Please continue.

   So we know what Daniel was doing for a living - he was running scams.

Your immediate conclusion is that because the forum has a scary name, it must centre around scamming people? Continuing without comment..

      There was a post by Fuserleer bragging about scamming $1500 in a single day.

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/making-money/361170-just-hit-milestone-1000-today.html

    (Fuserleer / Daniel bragging about making $1500)

You then post a thread in which the guy brags about his Amazon affiliate income. Are you by this point starting to get a sense of the fact that BHW isn't what you thought it was?

Finally you come out with this little gem, my favourite bit.

no normal person posts on a website full of criminals and scammers.  No normal person brags about making $1500 by stealing from other people.  If Daniel took pride by stealing that much money - imagine how much pleasure it would be if he stole $1 million from Bitcoin users.

Now.. BHW is generally frequented by people who practice SEO - across the whole spectrum, from well-known white hat internet marketers, many working for Fortune 500 companies, to hardcore black hats dropping hundreds of thousands of spammy web pages and backlinks across the internet on a daily basis.

The tools of their trade enable content scraping, spinning and auto publishing, but certainly not the botnets and credit card theft that you insinuate with your ill-informed thoughts on BHW.
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A lot of the regulars on BHW are affiliate marketers (like the eMunie guy) looking to improve their income through reselling Amazon products, Payday Loans, Insurance, Gaming etc. To these people, black hat isn't financial cybercrime - its hardcore flouting of Google's webmaster guidelines.
 
As well as those black hat marketers who use web spam techniques to maximum effect, BHW attracts a lot of regular marketing professionals who like to ensure they've got the full picture when it comes to what is known about the known unknown of Google's search algorithm. If you know whats working or not for spammers, who are generally doing the most invasive prodding of the algo, you can know how extreme (or not) to go with your traditional marketing.

Like I said, I don't have an opinion about eMunie (or the rest of your post) at all, but I can't have you spouting rubbish without pulling you up on it.

[Visin]

The above poster deffinitely knows what he is talking about. I have been on BHW since I was like 16, and have learned a ton of things, most which involve spending my own money to market on Facebook/Adwords/Bing/etc. Blackhatworld is an actual okay place, and not the boogieman like the OP thinks.

+1 for the above guy doing his homework like most users should do.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Why not kill four birds with one stone by requiring a forum membership to download the files?
1. Scam theories will fade.
2. Interest in the project will explode.
3. A huge increase in new members, with hopefully some being contributors.
4. People can already load up on the hardware needed, so you will have a more optimized and secure network with a larger amount of hatchers from day 1.

Good idea. I'm a little bit tired digging thru decompiled obfuscated binaries, but I have no other options coz:
1. I like eMunie features and would like to buy some coins
2. But Fuserleer didn't answer how eMunie core validates encrypted transactions (anonymity + public ledger combo looks impossible to me)

[Visin]

Why not kill four birds with one stone by requiring a forum membership to download the files?
1. Scam theories will fade.
2. Interest in the project will explode.
3. A huge increase in new members, with hopefully some being contributors.
4. People can already load up on the hardware needed, so you will have a more optimized and secure network with a larger amount of hatchers from day 1.

Good idea. I'm a little bit tired digging thru decompiled obfuscated binaries, but I have no other options coz:
1. I like eMunie features and would like to buy some coins
2. But Fuserleer didn't answer how eMunie core validates encrypted transactions (anonymity + public ledger combo looks impossible to me)

Haha I understand about the whole encrypted transactions, they are quite complex from what I have seen in the API. Everything is being built as we go and are making changes all the time, to expose different data needed for certain API tasks.

And for the record, we require beta tester level to even download the latest client, and we invite beta testers in waves (unless they make it specifically known that they are going above and beyond to be a helpful member in which we jump them to the head of the line (normally 1 or 2 members every wave gets boosted ahead).

We go through the beta thread where people are CONSTANTLY requesting invites and invite around 50 of them, every like 2 -3 weeks depending on need for testers. I understand that it may seem like we are hiding something, or we are the secret Illuminati conspiring to ruin everyone's lives, but its more that our beta access shoutbox is getting crowded as is, and is a primary way of reporting quick bugs/issues during our testing sessions.

With saying the above, we have though of maybe doing a live beta tester so people can view how it works and such? I am not sure if that would be wanted by the public, but if it is please let us know, and I will arrange something like that to take place.

--- edit :

consider this an official announcement asking anyone who sees this, to please request a general way to prove ourselves to you. If you all want it genuinely, we will try to show you whatever you need within our reason (ie. source code is still on hold).

NOTE: All attacks/insults/FUD will be ignored, only serious requests will be taken into consideration

[Come-from-Beyond]

With saying the above, we have though of maybe doing a live beta tester so people can view how it works and such? I am not sure if that would be wanted by the public, but if it is please let us know, and I will arrange something like that to take place.

Could we (community) just have an explanation how it's possible to validate encrypted transactions? If u revealed this piece of code u would get much more credibility and still be protected against copycats.

Edit: Just noticed that u won't show the code. Well, an explanation should be enough.

[Visin]

With saying the above, we have though of maybe doing a live beta tester so people can view how it works and such? I am not sure if that would be wanted by the public, but if it is please let us know, and I will arrange something like that to take place.

Could we (community) just have an explanation how it's possible to validate encrypted transactions? If u revealed this piece of code u would get much more credibility and still be protected against copycats.

Edit: Just noticed that u won't show the code. Well, an explanation should be enough.

Well if we told you that, we would have to kill ya
just kidding of course, but seriously, yeah we can't tell ya that as thats one of the best parts of eMunie! When source is released though, feel free to grab what you want and run with it, but until then, its going to have to be speculative. Dan may be able to comment on that, and explain it without giving it away.

However, we will welcome all attacks on an eMunie client and how you can show its NOT anonymous, that we will stand behind
(I can barely tell who is who on the network, and I am handling the API calls!)

[miramare]

Can any Emnunie guy stand up and say yes or no to "Fuserleer" sacmming money before?

I just want to know the truth.

[lovely89]

What worries me about emunie is the fact that new emunie will be created to keep the price stable.

This may be OK with me, but where does the money go to when new emunie is created and sold?

What scared me also is that any talk about this on the forum has moderators yelling about how you can't talk about it. Others also told me that it was said you will not get rich on this coin.

What I can see is that the original creator will pocket the pre-sale money, then they will also pocket the money when new coins are sold onto the market.

Yes, I heard some of the newly generated coins (maybe 50%) will go to the people already holding them, but what about the other 50%?

Simply put, this was created to put money into the original developers pockets. Maybe you can make some, but half or more will go to the developers.

However, you guys better do your homework here because they are very strict on the forum about people talking about this stuff. Seems like they want to silence and hide it as they know they are setting up to take a lot of money from you guys, and intend to take it also through selling newly made coins after the pre-purchase. They will get all pre-sales money, and at least 50% of after sales money from what I can read. Could be even worse.

To me it is not 100% scam, they won't be running out the door with your money. But they are scamming you by taking all your pre-sale money for what they claim are development costs. We all know how much it costs to develop these coins, close to nothing. They also will scam you guys out of new coins generated to keep the price stable. They sell them and keep at least half of the money.

I liked this coin and even wrote that it had a fair distribution in other posts here on bitcointalk in the past. However, I wonder what is up and I don't like the forum banning talks about how the currency will be price controlled and where the money will go. Again, do your homework before throwing down money.

I am not saying this is a scam coin, it is just that I don't really understand it fully yet and also any talk about how the new emunie will be split up is banned on the forum. I had other good sources tell me they were skeptical also. Do your homework. This coin will not work like a bitcoin. It will be price stabilized so it will always be say 10 cents a coin. New coins will have to be made if demand makes the coin higher than 10 cents. Money from newly purchased coins does not flow back fully to the investors.

Ohh, the stupidity! Reading this actually hurt my brain. Please, for the sake of your own dignity spend as much time on the eMunie forum as you did writing this garbage and come back to apologise.

Kind regards,
Lovely.

[crazywack]

Can you tell us if or how long you expect to let emunie appreciate before the programming kicks in to keep it stable? I'm sure you guys are keeping this fairly quiet, but any information on this would probably attract more pre-sales.

[Visin]

Can you tell us if or how long you expect to let emunie appreciate before the programming kicks in to keep it stable? I'm sure you guys are keeping this fairly quiet, but any information on this would probably attract more pre-sales.

If I understand correctly from Dans genius brain, I think the 'code' will be kicked in the entire time from the start, as the entire time it will be working to keep prices stable to a certain degree however.

[kikeda]

Considering what was supposedly a 'scam' was HALF of my business as well, it was a user who sent fraud(scam) traffic to our affiliate program and we had a problem with his payment as our advertiser did not pay us for his fraud traffic.

The guy runs to the thread, and complains about not being paid expecting us to pay him again for his fraud traffic.
We refuse to pay up just because we are bullied.

The end.

It was an entire other industry that I have been involved in for years now. I am web developer and internet marketer, and people who abuse the system costs our business a ton of money like so... think like this for a moment.

1. We start a business, we make the partnerships with advertisers. Agreement being that the advertiser will pay us, once they have collected a legitimate lead (group of information).

2. Affiliate (user who complains of being scammed) joins our business and promotes the offer and we pay the affiliate $$$ every time they generate a valid lead. Lets say its $10 a lead we pay the affiliate, and we are being paid $12 a lead by the advertiser.

3. Affiliate racks up a ton of 'valid' leads in our system which would costs us thousands of dollars. We are fine with this and would have paid if not for the advertiser telling us they will not be paying us due to fraudulent leads coming from X user.

4. We tell affiliate they will not be getting paid, because their leads are all fake/scammed/fraud.

5. Affiliate runs and cries to forum to get revenge because they did not get paid.

---------

Like I said, I know this industry inside and out and I currently still work time to time in this industry. It was a failed venture due to us being milked dry by fraud affiliates and not being paid by advertiser which caused us to shut down and cease operations.

I can give 100% full information on any aspect of this, but please dont ask the same questions over and over as I am a busy man and do not appreciate my time being wasted.

Thank you.

visin=corey?