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March 05, 2011, 03:12:48 AM
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Do you think this whole bitcoin thing of ours is an actual Movement, a Social or perhaps Economic Movement? Or could it become a Movement, does it need to be a Movement?

Personally I think no, I think it's fine as a mere trend, and soon meme, working its way diligently towards becoming a mainstream convention.

What say you?

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March 05, 2011, 03:18:04 AM
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Its a revolution without needing to fire any bullets or break things.
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March 05, 2011, 03:24:09 AM
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I think at the moment it's mostly a fad among tech-savvy participants.  However, as more instances occur where people are unable to make the transactions they want (in other words, the more Wikileaks-type incidents that happen), the more publicity it will get, and the more legitimate it will become.

My long-term prediction, without any real backing to speak of, is that Bitcoin will eventually become an equal player alongside such entities as PayPal and the major credit card agencies.  I don't realistically expect it to surpass them or become the "one currency to rule them all" or anything. 
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March 05, 2011, 04:06:19 AM
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I think that its greatest potential it as a medium for international transfers.

For example, at the moment something like 60% of international trransfers are in USD.

See for a good article from earlier this week: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703313304576132170181013248.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read


Using Bitcoin as a "global reserve" currency makes sense, because no govt can control it. And whiles it nice to think that competition coming from the Euro and perhaps the Yuan in the future will remove the risk to a certain degree, where does that leave Africa, Sth America and importantly India?



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March 05, 2011, 04:13:48 AM
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A whole subculture will develop within the bitcoin community.


Eventually, bitcoin as a currency will goes mainstream, but the bitcoin subculture will thrives.

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March 05, 2011, 04:21:44 AM
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I see individuals who want their money to be free. The more individuals with this mentality, the more a supposed movement will grow.
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March 05, 2011, 05:10:11 AM
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Do you think this whole bitcoin thing of ours is an actual Movement, a Social or perhaps Economic Movement?

I thought you said we don't know how society works.   So how would we know a social movement when we see one?  Bitcoin is useful to me because it is a disruptive technology and I like to disrupt things.  Wink

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March 05, 2011, 06:00:48 AM
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No, not a movement, that is politically driven typically (or sometimes just simple hunger.) It is a technological development.

A new form of money is not a technology that updates very often, think favour economy to metal tokens to backed paper notes to centrally-cleared fiat digits took thousands of years.

Decentralised verifiable electronic tokens requires quite a few layers, electronic hardware, network layers, OS and crypto IT ... quite a bit of tech. to get to this point.

So not a movement, a tech., like karma credits that come back and bite you on a lazy, scheming bankster's ass. Crypto-currency is to paper cash like the car was to the horse and buggy.

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March 05, 2011, 06:10:09 AM
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I would call it a technology achievement demonstrating that technology in itself can produce wealth in the same sense that technology itself can search the stars such as in the program SETI@HOME and the various of other multicomputer technologies programs.

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March 05, 2011, 10:40:37 AM
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No, not a movement, that is politically driven typically (or sometimes just simple hunger.) It is a technological development.
It's a technological development created by libertarians and objectivists, and nobody else would have started to use it if it wasn't for this political branch. I think that makes it part of a political movement.
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March 05, 2011, 02:02:04 PM
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It's a technological development created by libertarians and objectivists, and nobody else would have started to use it if it wasn't for this political branch. I think that makes it part of a political movement.

A very specific set of libertarians who are known to be part of the libertarian/hacker/extropian tribe.

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March 05, 2011, 04:43:40 PM
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I don't think so.  There are many reasons to prefer bitcoin as a medium of exchange.  I hope forum discussions can focus on the "medium of exchange" issues and less on philosophy X, Y or Z.  Remember that other bitcoin users may not have world-views aligned with you and they don't have to in order for bitcoin to succeed.
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March 05, 2011, 05:02:42 PM
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I don't think so.  There are many reasons to prefer bitcoin as a medium of exchange.  I hope forum discussions can focus on the "medium of exchange" issues and less on philosophy X, Y or Z.  Remember that other bitcoin users may not have world-views aligned with you and they don't have to in order for bitcoin to succeed.

I agree, I'm not a libertarian or an anarchist but I think the bitcoin idea is really great.

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March 05, 2011, 05:03:07 PM
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Do you think this whole bitcoin thing of ours is an actual Movement, a Social or perhaps Economic Movement? Or could it become a Movement, does it need to be a Movement?

Personally I think no, I think it's fine as a mere trend, and soon meme, working its way diligently towards becoming a mainstream convention.

What say you?

What i can say is that when Bitcoin succeeds in mainstream, the world will switch to reverse gear.
The ones who are now on top (banksters), will become at best middle class, and hackers/IT specialists will be on top (as early adopters).

I sure think that would be a better world.
So Bitcoin has the potential to fix the world, at least partially.

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March 05, 2011, 05:07:50 PM
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BitCoin in my book is an invention. It's kind of like an invented currency in a computer game except that it's not being issued by the game but by the players but under very strict rules which they players know not one of them can break.


I actually wish BitCoins were initially used in a very popular online game and then eventually people would find the benefit (or not) of trading it outside of the game. Maybe it's not too late for that kind of an approach Smiley

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March 05, 2011, 05:10:17 PM
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Do you think this whole bitcoin thing of ours is an actual Movement, a Social or perhaps Economic Movement? Or could it become a Movement, does it need to be a Movement?

Personally I think no, I think it's fine as a mere trend, and soon meme, working its way diligently towards becoming a mainstream convention.

What say you?

What i can say is that when Bitcoin succeeds in mainstream, the world will switch to reverse gear.
The ones who are now on top (banksters), will become at best middle class, and hackers/IT specialists will be on top (as early adopters).


Lol, Marxist Dialectic very much? Smiley



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March 05, 2011, 05:18:50 PM
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BitCoin in my book is an invention. It's kind of like an invented currency in a computer game except that it's not being issued by the game but by the players but under very strict rules which they players know not one of them can break.


I actually wish BitCoins were initially used in a very popular online game and then eventually people would find the benefit (or not) of trading it outside of the game. Maybe it's not too late for that kind of an approach Smiley

I think that as bitcoin already rests on so many layers of technology, it must connect back with the 'immediately real world' as directly as it possibly can. One of the problems with "big finance" that led to the 2008 crisis was the level of abstraction. Trillions up there in the blue sky, utterly disconnected to the realm of bricks, mortar and working people, and yet weighing down on them like the curse of demented sorcerers.

Bitcoin certainly will have many interesting applications in terms of online games and network services etc (hell, it is a network service), but economics and values are primarily a matter for the 'real world' we shouldn't forget that again. Can you imagine a war in some massively popular online multiplayer game causing some sort of economic crisis that leads to the price of actual food going up? Nightmare, don't want bitcoin to end up making that kind of mess.

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March 05, 2011, 05:36:35 PM
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Do you think this whole bitcoin thing of ours is an actual Movement, a Social or perhaps Economic Movement? Or could it become a Movement, does it need to be a Movement?

Personally I think no, I think it's fine as a mere trend, and soon meme, working its way diligently towards becoming a mainstream convention.

What say you?

What i can say is that when Bitcoin succeeds in mainstream, the world will switch to reverse gear.
The ones who are now on top (banksters), will become at best middle class, and hackers/IT specialists will be on top (as early adopters).


Lol, Marxist Dialectic very much? Smiley

Not very much, I'm a Libertarian/Minarchist and i believe in the power of free will and free act. Marxists wanted to change everything using force, while i trust in the natural market choices made by free people.

Banksters are running this world far too long. It's time for change.

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March 05, 2011, 07:07:52 PM
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Do you think this whole bitcoin thing of ours is an actual Movement, a Social or perhaps Economic Movement? Or could it become a Movement, does it need to be a Movement?

Personally I think no, I think it's fine as a mere trend, and soon meme, working its way diligently towards becoming a mainstream convention.

What say you?

What i can say is that when Bitcoin succeeds in mainstream, the world will switch to reverse gear.
The ones who are now on top (banksters), will become at best middle class, and hackers/IT specialists will be on top (as early adopters).


Lol, Marxist Dialectic very much? Smiley

Not very much, I'm a Libertarian/Minarchist and i believe in the power of free will and free act. Marxists wanted to change everything using force, while i trust in the natural market choices made by free people.

Banksters are running this world far too long. It's time for change.

Actually marxism is merely a criticism of capitalism, with a rough theory of capitalisms eventual failure but no suggestion as to what should come after. That's where leninist/trots and stalinists come in.

Anyway, turns out Marx was wrong.

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March 05, 2011, 07:18:12 PM
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Lol, Marxist Dialectic very much? Smiley

Not very much, I'm a Libertarian/Minarchist and i believe in the power of free will and free act. Marxists wanted to change everything using force, while i trust in the natural market choices made by free people.

Banksters are running this world far too long. It's time for change.

Actually marxism is merely a criticism of capitalism, with a rough theory of capitalisms eventual failure but no suggestion as to what should come after. That's where leninist/trots and stalinists come in.

Anyway, turns out Marx was wrong.

Actually, i do not criticise capitalism. I criticise the current state of things, which is far from capitalism or free market.
The reality is that banksters are ruining free market using inflation, central banks and repetitive cycles of development and crisis every 40 years (1929, ~1970, 2010 - notice a pattern ?).

Free market is currently an illusion, it doesn't exist because of tremendous manipulation done by the banksters using fake money. Bitcoin can restore the natural order of things, because it is the perfect currency - independent, impossible to manipulate and free from inflation tax.

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