The NSA is reportedly able to access offline computers thanks to radio wave tech

[TheButterZone]

Well it's not like they are doing this just to annoy us, the NSA needs to do this for the safety of us. I know this is a big invasion of privacy but would you rather be private and more illegal crime going on?

A victimless "crime", aka exercising liberty, cannot legitimately be called a crime.

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[Wilikon]

Do any of you actually read anything before posting?

Yes I read the Infowars article on Intel's 3G enabled chips, but this is not the place to discuss that issue.
This forum is called Bitcointalk.  It is a forum for discussing Bitcoin related topics.  Bashing the NSA for your own political propaganda campaign is completely off topic with respect to Bitcoin.  Go away and create your own forum for anti NSA discussion.
Thanks.

So "Politics & Society" sub should be... banned?

[Wilikon]

Well it's not like they are doing this just to annoy us, the NSA needs to do this for the safety of us. I know this is a big invasion of privacy but would you rather be private and more illegal crime going on?

dude should not use his NSA cubicle terminal to post on bitcointalk forum... Come on now! 

[TiagoTiago]

Well it's not like they are doing this just to annoy us, the NSA needs to do this for the safety of us. I know this is a big invasion of privacy but would you rather be private and more illegal crime going on?

Well, i need money, that doesn't mean i should be stealing.




And this isn't about safety, it's about control.

[Coin_Master]

Do any of you actually read anything before posting?

Yes I read the Infowars article on Intel's 3G enabled chips, but this is not the place to discuss that issue.
This forum is called Bitcointalk.  It is a forum for discussing Bitcoin related topics.  Bashing the NSA for your own political propaganda campaign is completely off topic with respect to Bitcoin.  Go away and create your own forum for anti NSA discussion.
Thanks.

So "Politics & Society" sub should be... banned?

There is an attempt being made to make a connection between "Intel vPro Technology" and the NSA.  The NSA did not create vPro, there is no evidence to suggest "Intelligence Agencies" from any country had anything to do with Intel's decision to implement vPro.  This thread belongs in "Speculation".  If you are here at Bitcointalk to create an enemy out of the NSA, please don't, go away and create your own forum for anti NSA discussion.  Satoshi Nakamoto had to leave this forum for the same reason, people didn't STFU when asked to.  Remember the post about WikiLeaks bringing heat.  Please Stop!

[benjamindees]

So, just to re-cap, Coin_Master thinks we should all be quiet and this thread should just go away, because, well, at first, intelligence agencies could only "access your computer if they insert a wireless device into it."

And, then, when it's admitted right on the Intel website that these devices are, in fact, in a lot of computers already, and set to become standard on all Intel PCs, we just need to all shut up about it because "this is not the place to discuss that issue."

This thread, called "The NSA is reportedly able to access offline computers thanks to radio wave tech," is not the place to discuss wireless, offline access being made standard on CPUs, apparently.  Because, apparently, someone having wireless access directly to your PC, even when it's turned off, is not a "Bitcoin related topic."

Like I said already, I've been personally targeted by this bullshit.  I know exactly who implemented it, and why.  It was not a fun experience for me.  It's something I think everyone should be aware of.  And it is directly relevant to Bitcoin.

And if you don't like Infowars as a source, even though their article is well-researched and you can click through and watch the video about this technology right on the Intel website, you can read about similar plans of the CIA for how their investment arm, In-Q-Tel, works with manufacturers to put spy technology into everything they can, from Wired:

CIA Chief: We’ll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher

Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm.

[Coin_Master]

So, just to re-cap, Coin_Master thinks we should all be quiet and this thread should just go away, because, well, at first, intelligence agencies could only "access your computer if they insert a wireless device into it."

And, then, when it's admitted right on the Intel website that these devices are, in fact, in a lot of computers already, and set to become standard on all Intel PCs, we just need to all shut up about it because "this is not the place to discuss that issue."

This thread, called "The NSA is reportedly able to access offline computers thanks to radio wave tech," is not the place to discuss wireless, offline access being made standard on CPUs, apparently.  Because, apparently, someone having wireless access directly to your PC, even when it's turned off, is not a "Bitcoin related topic."

Like I said already, I've been personally targeted by this bullshit.  I know exactly who implemented it, and why.  It was not a fun experience for me.  It's something I think everyone should be aware of.  And it is directly relevant to Bitcoin.

And if you don't like Infowars as a source, even though their article is well-researched and you can click through and watch the video about this technology right on the Intel website, you can read about similar plans of the CIA for how their investment arm, In-Q-Tel, works with manufacturers to put spy technology into everything they can, from Wired:

CIA Chief: We’ll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher

Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm.

You are clearly confused about what I said, and why.

Not technically impossible, just completely irrelevant.  This is not news, the title of this thread should be "NSA can access your computer if they insert a wireless device into it".  Really?

This remark was made because the OP never mentioned Intel vPro in the first post of this thread.  There are only 2 links given
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
and
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/01/15/nsa-reportedly-able-access-offline-computers-thanks-radio-wave-technology/?fromcat=all#
Neither link mentions Intel or Intel vPro.  Both articles have pictures of USB transmitters, hence my remark about an alternate name for the thread.
What you have done is try and introduce secondary information in an attempt to link Intel vPro Technology with the NSA.  Nice try, but no proof!
In-Q-Tel publish a list of all the companies they provide funding to, and nowhere on the list does Intel feature.  You need to live in the real world, base your assertions on provable facts.  Otherwise it is just libel.

[Wilikon]

So, just to re-cap, Coin_Master thinks we should all be quiet and this thread should just go away, because, well, at first, intelligence agencies could only "access your computer if they insert a wireless device into it."

And, then, when it's admitted right on the Intel website that these devices are, in fact, in a lot of computers already, and set to become standard on all Intel PCs, we just need to all shut up about it because "this is not the place to discuss that issue."

This thread, called "The NSA is reportedly able to access offline computers thanks to radio wave tech," is not the place to discuss wireless, offline access being made standard on CPUs, apparently.  Because, apparently, someone having wireless access directly to your PC, even when it's turned off, is not a "Bitcoin related topic."

Like I said already, I've been personally targeted by this bullshit.  I know exactly who implemented it, and why.  It was not a fun experience for me.  It's something I think everyone should be aware of.  And it is directly relevant to Bitcoin.

And if you don't like Infowars as a source, even though their article is well-researched and you can click through and watch the video about this technology right on the Intel website, you can read about similar plans of the CIA for how their investment arm, In-Q-Tel, works with manufacturers to put spy technology into everything they can, from Wired:

CIA Chief: We’ll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher

Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an “Internet of Things” — that is, wired devices — at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s venture capital firm.

You are clearly confused about what I said, and why.

Not technically impossible, just completely irrelevant.  This is not news, the title of this thread should be "NSA can access your computer if they insert a wireless device into it".  Really?

This remark was made because the OP never mentioned Intel vPro in the first post of this thread.  There are only 2 links given
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/us/nsa-effort-pries-open-computers-not-connected-to-internet.html
and
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2014/01/15/nsa-reportedly-able-access-offline-computers-thanks-radio-wave-technology/?fromcat=all#
Neither link mentions Intel or Intel vPro.  Both articles have pictures of USB transmitters, hence my remark about an alternate name for the thread.
What you have done is try and introduce secondary information in an attempt to link Intel vPro Technology with the NSA.  Nice try, but no proof!
In-Q-Tel publish a list of all the companies they provide funding to, and nowhere on the list does Intel feature.  You need to live in the real world, base your assertions on provable facts.  Otherwise it is just libel.

Dude. You believe seriously all the companies involved with In Q Tel will be openly listed on their website? Maybe we should all stop or you will ask for our IP address and sue us for libel... 

Our little thread is a menace to NSA's society...

[Coin_Master]

Dude. You believe seriously all the companies involved with In Q Tel will be openly listed on their website? Maybe we should all stop or you will ask for our IP address and sue us for libel... 

Our little thread is a menace to NSA's society...

This is exactly the kind of conspiracy fiction I was referring to when I stated this thread "has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin".
Speculative statements based on pure fantasy, backed by nothing more than "It could happen Dude, why you so stupid?".
No proof, no facts, just a bunch of dreamers.  It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[Wilikon]

Dude. You believe seriously all the companies involved with In Q Tel will be openly listed on their website? Maybe we should all stop or you will ask for our IP address and sue us for libel... 

Our little thread is a menace to NSA's society...

This is exactly the kind of conspiracy fiction I was referring to when I stated this thread "has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin".
Speculative statements based on pure fantasy, backed by nothing more than "It could happen Dude, why you so stupid?".
No proof, no facts, just a bunch of dreamers.  It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

First, I don't believe you are stupid, but you have the right to call me/us dreamers. Second, everything you said about this thread could be applied to your logic and is sadly funny 

Regarding bitcoin it matters and third of all you are replying to a thread in "Bitcoin Forum > Other > Politics & Society >"
Did you miss the part that says "Other"?

[Coin_Master]

Dude. You believe seriously all the companies involved with In Q Tel will be openly listed on their website? Maybe we should all stop or you will ask for our IP address and sue us for libel...  

Our little thread is a menace to NSA's society...

This is exactly the kind of conspiracy fiction I was referring to when I stated this thread "has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin".
Speculative statements based on pure fantasy, backed by nothing more than "It could happen Dude, why you so stupid?".
No proof, no facts, just a bunch of dreamers.  It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

First, I don't believe you are stupid, but you have the right to call me/us dreamers. Second, everything you said about this thread could be applied to your logic and is sadly funny  

Regarding bitcoin it matters and third of all you are replying to a thread in "Bitcoin Forum > Other > Politics & Society >"
Did you miss the part that says "Other"?

No you missed the part where if you cannot provide proof for the claims you make, it's all hot air.  Be prepared to be challenged.  You are a fool.

[Wilikon]

Dude. You believe seriously all the companies involved with In Q Tel will be openly listed on their website? Maybe we should all stop or you will ask for our IP address and sue us for libel... 

Our little thread is a menace to NSA's society...

This is exactly the kind of conspiracy fiction I was referring to when I stated this thread "has absolutely nothing to do with Bitcoin".
Speculative statements based on pure fantasy, backed by nothing more than "It could happen Dude, why you so stupid?".
No proof, no facts, just a bunch of dreamers.  It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

First, I don't believe you are stupid, but you have the right to call me/us dreamers. Second, everything you said about this thread could be applied to your logic and is sadly funny 

Regarding bitcoin it matters and third of all you are replying to a thread in "Bitcoin Forum > Other > Politics & Society >"
Did you miss the part that says "Other"?

No you missed the part where if you cannot provide proof for the claims you make, it's all hot air.  Be prepared to be challenged.  You are a fool.

Yes I am 
Have fun playing Don Quixote in front of your screen while you challenge me with your proofs...

[Coin_Master]

All I am saying is it would be nice if the members of this forum spent more time building services for Bitcoin, making it bigger and stronger, rather than spending time on things they have little or no control over, that's all.

[Wilikon]

All I am saying is it would be nice if the members of this forum spent more time building services for Bitcoin, making it bigger and stronger, rather than spending time on things they have little or no control over, that's all.

I understand your point. But this section is to cool off and talk about stuff we don't control, stuff we wish were different, stuff that scares us, stuff that's amazing and want to share, stuff we don't agree with, stuff we don't care about.

Here you can call me names as long as you feel like, prove me wrong, tell me I am wasting my time talking about stuff I can't understand, etc, etc... it's all cool dude. Seriously.

As Phil Coulson says "Tahiti - Its a magical place..."

[Coin_Master]

Well in that case, yes anyone can access Intel vPro CPUs with Active Management Technology remotely, provided the motherboard also supports these features of the CPU.  Then it is rather trivial to remotely access the CPU at Ring level -2, which is below Ring level -1 (the Hypervisor level) and also below Ring 0 (kernel mode level).  This area of the CPU known as SMM (System Management Mode) is more privileged than a hypervisor and has complete access to all system memory including the kernel and hypervisor memory.  Code running in SMM also has access to I/O devices (IN/OUT, MMIO).  This code running in SMM is not subject to Intel TXT (Trusted Execution Technology) meaning at no point is code running in SMM checked or verified.  This code is outside the reach of the operating system or any other software installed.  There are many exploits available online, however it would not be wise of me to link directly to them.  If one were interested in learning more they could start here:
http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/attacks-against-system-management-mode-smm
Hope this helps.

[Wilikon]

Well in that case, yes anyone can access Intel vPro CPUs with Active Management Technology remotely, provided the motherboard also supports these features of the CPU.  Then it is rather trivial to remotely access the CPU at Ring level -2, which is below Ring level -1 (the Hypervisor level) and also below Ring 0 (kernel mode level).  This area of the CPU known as SMM (System Management Mode) is more privileged than a hypervisor and has complete access to all system memory including the kernel and hypervisor memory.  Code running in SMM also has access to I/O devices (IN/OUT, MMIO).  This code running in SMM is not subject to Intel TXT (Trusted Execution Technology) meaning at no point is code running in SMM checked or verified.  This code is outside the reach of the operating system or any other software installed.  There are many exploits available online, however it would not be wise of me to link directly to them.  If one were interested in learning more they could start here:
http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/attacks-against-system-management-mode-smm
Hope this helps.

I am sure this should help anyone wanting to hack into someone's offline computer...

[Coin_Master]

I am sure this should help anyone wanting to hack into someone's offline computer...

You asked

(or someone did)

[Wilikon]

I am sure this should help anyone wanting to hack into someone's offline computer...

You asked

(or someone did)

Now we know it is definitely possible to hack offline computers with radio wave tech...

[keithers]

that means that they can watch you wacking off to the porn on your computer even when the wifi is turned off...lol

[Wilikon]

that means that they can watch you wacking off to the porn on your computer even when the wifi is turned off...lol

Yeah, but so far inflatable dolls are safe from the NSA...