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May 24, 2018, 03:27:36 PM
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Betcoin for sure are not scammers. I have been betting there now for over half a year and apart from some limits on some markets, I have been fully satisfied with Betcoin. They always paid out my withdrawals even of multiple BTC within hours and always responded to me on questions.

I do hope they go out of Beta mode quickly because then limits hopefully will be better, but for sure they are not scammers.
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May 24, 2018, 05:53:27 PM
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Hello

I've only been playing here a few weeks now but they have been nice to me so far. They process my payouts quickly when I need it done quickly and have provided me with some nice bonuses.

It is tough when a book has to deal with someone making 40 accounts or whatever to circumvent limits on games. I hope the funds are eventually returned to those users because otherwise it'd be an unfair windfall for the book but I don't blame them for trying to figure out how to stop it in the future.

Not a scam site though, they have paid me every time I've asked. 

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May 24, 2018, 06:10:08 PM
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We are now at over 40 accounts following the pattern.  All have stopped playing the same day and we are continuing to weed them out.  

As you can see from the accusers all our brand new members of bitcointalk who will disappear once our investigation is finalized and their situation is resolved.

Another thing we have learned about scam accusations is every casino that has been a success has them.  It's just a part of the industry unfortunately.  The abusers and cheaters are quick to say scam when they are caught.
 Just search any casinos name and scam and you will see.  Also, those that have spoken negatively of Betcoin.ag in this thread have not been scammed or cheated in anyway and don't even say they have.

We are still researching and examining the players.  All of their tickets have been responded to promptly, some have come forward detailing their pattern and we will work to finalize this.  Others have panicked after being caught and now state scam even though nothing has been finalized.  
If you blame more than 40 players in the fact that they somehow abused your site at the same time with the same pattern, thus you confirm that this is not a multi-accounting is but a real people.

It is quite logical that many new forum users appeared here, once you frozen payouts. Where else should players go for information and share of experience? This is a well-known forum, and judging by your reputation at this forum, there have been many such players in your history who made complaint to your actions. And you want to say they are all bad and are you good one, aren't?

If you want to know who disappear from the forum first return the money. As for me I'm not going anywhere.

I sent my photos as you asked. We can speak with each other by skype, phone or web-camera. I want you to tell me what are we both waiting for?
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May 24, 2018, 06:24:15 PM
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We are now at over 40 accounts following the pattern.  All have stopped playing the same day and we are continuing to weed them out.  

As you can see from the accusers all our brand new members of bitcointalk who will disappear once our investigation is finalized and their situation is resolved.

Another thing we have learned about scam accusations is every casino that has been a success has them.  It's just a part of the industry unfortunately.  The abusers and cheaters are quick to say scam when they are caught.
 Just search any casinos name and scam and you will see.  Also, those that have spoken negatively of Betcoin.ag in this thread have not been scammed or cheated in anyway and don't even say they have.

We are still researching and examining the players.  All of their tickets have been responded to promptly, some have come forward detailing their pattern and we will work to finalize this.  Others have panicked after being caught and now state scam even though nothing has been finalized.  
If you blame more than 40 players in the fact that they somehow abused your site at the same time with the same pattern, thus you confirm that this is not a multi-accounting is but a real people.

It is quite logical that many new forum users appeared here, once you frozen payouts. Where else should players go for information and share of experience? This is a well-known forum, and judging by your reputation at this forum, there have been many such players in your history who made complaint to your actions. And you want to say they are all bad and are you good one, aren't?

If you want to know who disappear from the forum first return the money. As for me I'm not going anywhere.

I sent my photos as you asked. We can speak with each other by skype, phone or web-camera. I want you to tell me what are we both waiting for?

If 40 players are betting the same lines then obviously that's weird. I'll await more info and just point out that I am getting paid no problem.
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May 25, 2018, 12:57:46 AM
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You might think that bookmakers do not have the same bets on the event. If you are offered an outcome, it is obvious that they will bet on him. And if the size of the rate is limited to 4.75 euros, then it is obvious that at least two people will surely deliver 4.75 euros for this event. But as one person put immediately for 40 players, it's somehow physically impossible. I think in the run-up to the World Cup, it is better to settle the problem by peaceful means, so as not to spoil your reputation as a reliable bookmaker.
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May 25, 2018, 10:41:37 AM
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Well, my problem is resolved. Today Betcoin.ag returned my deposit to me. This is not exactly what I expected, but at least they were honest enough to return my own money to me. Probably, in this situation it is the most acceptable option for both sides of the conflict.

But I will follow how is things going in this topic because I received some privat messages from other players with the same problem.
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May 25, 2018, 10:54:24 AM
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We appreciate the feedback and it is certainly valid. This investigation is ongoing and we are still speaking with the players involved to learn as much as possible to prevent it happening again. Once the investigation has concluded, a fair decision will be made for all. Several accounts involved who have cooperated have already been settled with.

When are you planning to solve the remaining the -256 negative trust scores ? Each of them has a valid case and a reason to be there.Take the cases on priority where you are accused with blatantly stealing 5+ bitcoins and you haven't acknowledged it.
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May 25, 2018, 01:13:40 PM
Last edit: May 25, 2018, 04:42:24 PM by Betcoin.AG
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We appreciate the feedback and it is certainly valid. This investigation is ongoing and we are still speaking with the players involved to learn as much as possible to prevent it happening again. Once the investigation has concluded, a fair decision will be made for all. Several accounts involved who have cooperated have already been settled with.

When are you planning to solve the remaining the -256 negative trust scores ? Each of them has a valid case and a reason to be there.Take the cases on priority where you are accused with blatantly stealing 5+ bitcoins and you haven't acknowledged it.

Betcoin.ag has been a constant software and management evolution since its inception in early 2013, however one constant has remained and that is to continue to improve to serve and provide a trusted environment to our great players all over the world. Betcoin.ag has continued to grow and expand in all aspects and will continue to do so and is very thankful to have shared this entire experience with the BitcoinTalk.org community. The great feedback we receive from our players, ratings we receive from players and reviewers and consistent players year after year is a testament to our commitment to our players.

Our trust rating at BitcoinTalk.org was not derived by players that used our service and their experience at Betcoin.ag. There is in fact no feedback from Trusted Members at BitcoinTalk.org explaining a negative experience that he or she has experienced directly. Moreover, as we continue to improve our scores and reviews also continue to improve. Fortunately, many players everyday continue to join us at Betcoin.ag and we will continue to work hard for all of you.

We invite anyone and everyone to experience Betcoin.ag and we assure that you will find a trusted gaming experience that will only continue to improve each and everyday. It has been a pleasure sharing the journey of Betcoin.ag with BitcoinTalk.org for over five years and we look forward to many more. Thank you.

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May 25, 2018, 05:31:34 PM
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This thread doesn't seem at all organic and I'm questioning if this is a coordinated FUD attempt.  If so my guess is these are the same people DDOSing the sportsbook daily.

Here is my unbiased and non compensated Betcoin experience.  I will gladly provide screenshots if people are skeptical.

As a gambler of 20+ years (i know, i know DEGEN CITY BABY) I have my fair share of gambling experiences.  From street bookies to physical casinos around the world, to being an active member of at least 15 different online casinos at some point over the past 10 years I've seen the good, bad and ugly this industry has to offer.

As far as online crypto currency casinos go I can say without a doubt Betcoin is my favorite and most trusted.  That is not to say they are perfect because they are not but the positives far outweigh the negatives.  When it comes to judging an online casino the NUMBER 1 criteria will ALWAYS be payouts.  If I was rating their payout process compared to others on a scale of 1-10 they would easily get a 9.75 the highest of any online casino, crypto or otherwise. The .25 deduction comes from the fact their ETH withdrawals have had issues in the past 2 weeks.  Nothing major just my payout showing as processed but not yet received on my end.  This has happened 3 times in the last two weeks and while it is semi frustrating it really hasn't been a big deal and each time the WD issue was rectified within hours of me opening a trouble ticket.

In the last two months since I started playing at Betcoin exclusively  I've successfully received same day withdrawals totaling over 2.5 BTC (can provide proof).  When there was an WD issue (always with ETH) it was ALWAYS handled promptly.

PROS:
Fast Payouts
HUGE Selection of Sporting and Esports lines.
HUGE selection of Slots and Card Games. (Personal Faves, Jumbo Joker and Charms & Cloves)
24 HR Chat Support (I may be wrong on this but I've sent chat messages at odd hours and they seem to always be on)
Fantastic customer service (When there were issues they were always handled promptly and when I asked ALWAYS received free plays for my troubles)
Low WD Fees

CONS
Capping straight sports bets at 100 coins (Equals 10% of BTC)
ETH WD has issues from time to time.
Baseball Lines are not great.  Standard is dime or 20 cent lines but BC is sitting at 30 cent lines.

Overall I'm very happy. In fact all of my gambling action online now takes place at Betcoin.

If you spent anytime in crypto you know paid shilling is real.  What you may not know is paid FUD is also real.  That being said I think its best if you take everything you read online with a grain of salt. Even this post.  That being said I would not hesitate to recommend BC to a friend.

In closing I just felt it is important to point out the negative betcoin campaign on BTCT directly coincides with the influx of DDOS attacks to the site.  IMO that is somewhat suspicious but maybe im just paranoid.


 
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May 25, 2018, 07:05:29 PM
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In closing I just felt it is important to point out the negative betcoin campaign on BTCT directly coincides with the influx of DDOS attacks to the site.  IMO that is somewhat suspicious but maybe im just paranoid.
It is visible what without concept about what there is a speech. You point to DDOS which wasn't mentioned here Smiley
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May 25, 2018, 07:23:49 PM
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Well, my problem is resolved. Today Betcoin.ag returned my deposit to me. This is not exactly what I expected, but at least they were honest enough to return my own money to me. Probably, in this situation it is the most acceptable option for both sides of the conflict.
But I will follow how is things going in this topic because I received some privat messages from other players with the same problem.
I am glad that the problem has begun to be solved, now it is necessary that have settled the arisen misunderstanding with all users of service.

The decision on simple return of a deposit not absolutely honest in otnosheniy different players. As Bencoin declared cancellation of rates and return of a deposit that logically that take away a prize from the person who has won and return the made deposit. And here at the person who has lost and balance less deposit isn't cancelled for some reason by all rates and don't return a deposit but only the account balance. It isn't honest in relation to players as in both Betcoin options remains in profit I take away vyigrash and without giving the remains of an otproigrysh. If have accused the person of suspicious rates that cancel all rates at all such players and return the brought deposit - it will be so correct.
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May 25, 2018, 07:29:56 PM
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I appreciate the thread. 100% never playing on that site.
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May 25, 2018, 08:36:43 PM
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You want to know why people showed up in favor of this book? its because honest people hate scammers like this ruining a fun place to wager. Betcoin is one of the most honest books in the biz.
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May 26, 2018, 07:03:29 AM
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This thread doesn't seem at all organic and I'm questioning if this is a coordinated FUD attempt.  If so my guess is these are the same people DDOSing the sportsbook daily.
What DDOS attack are you talking about? By the way, your appearance here and your message do not looks organic too, so what?
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May 26, 2018, 07:35:15 AM
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You want to know why people showed up in favor of this book? its because honest people hate scammers like this ruining a fun place to wager. Betcoin is one of the most honest books in the biz.
How lond did you place bets at Betcoin? How much did you win? Tell me, how some one had ruined your fun? If you really want to know what is honest sportbooks you have to look on rating at sportsbookreview.com.
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May 26, 2018, 10:56:42 AM
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You want to know why people showed up in favor of this book? its because honest people hate scammers like this ruining a fun place to wager. Betcoin is one of the most honest books in the biz.
How lond did you place bets at Betcoin? How much did you win? Tell me, how some one had ruined your fun? If you really want to know what is honest sportbooks you have to look on rating at sportsbookreview.com.
Exactly why you got scammed.You take reviews on such one person blogs too seriously when it comes to trusting a service with your money.I doubt that website does even proper gambling or bitcoin related casino reviews.If you really want a review on an online bitcoin related casino, bitcointalk is the place to go.

Nothing is as accurate as the stuff posted here on a gambling sites official thread or a scam accusation against them.
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May 26, 2018, 06:50:14 PM
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As most of you that have submitted tickets know already, we have full Russian language support now to address each one of your tickets in detail, therefore feel free to write in Russian as you are doing in your tickets and here as well.  We have confined it and all accounts are Russian or Ukrainian, new accounts as they are also new accounts here at BitcoinTalk.org and each one is being handled in detail in each ticket.  Several have commented in the ticket and here for the resolution of the matter and we will get through each one in detail. 

Thank you guys. 

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May 26, 2018, 06:57:31 PM
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The betting patterns of these accounts are similar in a way that would be beyond probability for the accounts to exist independently. The accounts wager on the exact same events, with identical picks and even the bet sizes being placed at the exact time of day. Each account was opened within several days of each other. Each account has not placed a bet since 8 days ago, the day we started cracking down on this. If the accounts were not related, they would have had no idea to stop wagering on this day, since most were wagering every other day up until then.

For account privacy purposes, we are unable to list further details of this multi-accounting ring, but we have more than sufficient proof that it exists and these players have been abusing our sports limits by creating multiple accounts.

Each account also uses a VPN or proxy service to access Betcoin which is against our terms of service.
https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoinag-terms-service
2.7 Using a proxy, VPN, or other artificial means of spoofing your location is prohibited.

All of our regular players are satisfied and receiving the same fast payouts and exceptional service as always.

the story just doesn't make sense to me , we are talking about few mbtc here not tens of bitcoins
why would someone do that when he can bet on all other bitcoin sites , even there are other ultra play bookies as well and other bookies where that player can actually have higher odds since there are many sites with lower margin
and why you taking the funds ? can't you just lock his account and send him his money ? this a pure scam and can't see a single reason for not paying the player

why you keep doing that to your reputation ? for real no one is going to deposit a dime in your site with all of these problems

Sy, you have been around a long time as have we.  You can certainly see through a variety of brand new accounts making claims.  We know that.  

Also, we have a negative 256 reputation here at BitcoinTalk.org and not one of the trusted members that commented on our trust ever experienced something bad at Betcoin.ag.  They never even say they experienced something bad or negative at Betcoin.ag.  They reference an issue from 2 years ago for a player who continued to play at Betcoin.ag and never gave a bad or untrusted rating about Betcoin.ag.  2 years ago we had a green positive trust rating, since then we have had a red trust rating yet increased substantially in size, player base, and staff.

This clearly shows most people can clearly see through this and quite frankly most people come give Betcoin.ag a try and when they enjoy a great gaming experience.  We have a growing number of depositing players everyday.  People are smart, people want a good experience and we will continue to work hard to provide that.  

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May 26, 2018, 09:51:17 PM
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Why Betcoin.ag to apply double standards?
To people who have won - accuse of abuse and take away a prize, and at people who have lost and also accused of abuse that don't return a deposit but only the account balance?
If cancel all rates, to all players - then return ALL their deposits!!
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May 27, 2018, 09:03:25 AM
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I wonder what is the situation with others players wrote here about problems with Betcoin. Did someone get money back?
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