What would you have done?

[guybrushthreepwood]

To quote Minsc from Baldurs Gate 2: The bigger they are! The harder I hit!

The fact that you are quoting Baldurs Gate leads me to be doubtful of such claims  .

LOL! My thoughts exactly!

On topic: it's much easier for two guys to make fun of a single person than vice-versa. You could've escalated if your up for that, by a strong "fuck off" or by making fun of him with your brother. "Can you believe this bald hobo? Should we knife his sorry ass?" so he may decide to walk slower.

But if you need to do that - means you have a problem with self-confidence. You should give 0 fucks about such slurs.

Everyone so sensitive nowadays in the united states of political correctness.

I think even insulting people is asking for trouble. It depends on the scenario and situation. Should you really be trying to aggravate somebody who might be on drugs or mentally disturbed by telling them to "fuck off"? Be a better man and rise above it and ignore it as much as you can. You don't have to respect the opinion of wankers who know nothing about you, so just brush it off and walk on knowing that you are better than them.

[LiteCoinGuy]

laugh at him. thats the best defense.   

[maxman190]

Fear isnt a reason to attack legally. Otherwise even the scary look of a person could justify beating him. I think the guy only enjoyed fearing you. And it worked fine for him.
I think i would have tried not showing him that im concerned and trying not to escalate it. Going away from him into the shop was the right decision. Such scumbags arent worth that you turn your life negative because that would have happened when you attacked him or when you escalated it and he attacked you. Its simply not worth it. "Does the moon care when the dogs bark at it." Your above that and only fight back when needed. Though i know of course that its really hard in such situations because one normally doesnt have these every day so its a high adrenaline situation for nearly every person.
I know in TV people get shown to beat for "protecting honour" or similar stupid reasons but in real life these guys ends worse than the beaten. For a reason.

You're kidding right...? Fear isn't a reason to attack legally? Read up on this: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20800978-family-involved-in-suv-biker-clash-was-in-fear-for-our-lives?lite

[Athanasios Motok]

This is the only active forum I know and I needed to vent my anger, hope you guys don't mind.

I was walking home with my slightly retarded older brother when this bald guy with dirty clothing and clothing in a laundry bag on a bike that goes through the trash. He suddenly started riding his bike slowly behind us and dragging his feet so we can hear that he's behind us. He started saying softly, "Go back to Hong Kong... Go back to Hong Kong..." My and brother are Chinese nationality but are born in America. I told my brother to go ahead of me and go home. That dude started dragging his feet again. I turned my head slightly, so that I can see him in my peripheral vision and he would snicker and laugh whenever I did it. After my first head turn, he started dragging his feet louder and I turned around again and he started snickering. I have brass knuckles in my pocket for self-defense, I wanted to hit that guy so bad. (Brass knuckles are illegal in New York, so I didn't want to get into trouble). What would you guys have done? Is it legal to hit someone for racial/ethnic slurs directed at you and mentally retarded brother? This happened in front of cameras and it would of shown that I initiated the attack.

I would have avoided conflict at all costs. Enter a public store or something. I would certainly not let someone follow behind me.

Of course, I wouldn't be in NY where I am basically not allowed to carry a firearm for self-defense.

I think this guy was being a jerk and I am not saying anything he did was right, but it would have landed you in a ton of trouble if you did decide to hit him. If I was put in that situation I would probably have tried to go into a store as said above since it is New York and there are a lot of stores. I am really sorry for this guys inappropriate comments to you. As said above about making jokes about him I think this is an awful idea... If he has no trouble coming up to you two and making fun of you for your race then I do not think he would possibly have hurt you if you had joked about him. 
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[maxman190]

This is the only active forum I know and I needed to vent my anger, hope you guys don't mind.

I was walking home with my slightly retarded older brother when this bald guy with dirty clothing and clothing in a laundry bag on a bike that goes through the trash. He suddenly started riding his bike slowly behind us and dragging his feet so we can hear that he's behind us. He started saying softly, "Go back to Hong Kong... Go back to Hong Kong..." My and brother are Chinese nationality but are born in America. I told my brother to go ahead of me and go home. That dude started dragging his feet again. I turned my head slightly, so that I can see him in my peripheral vision and he would snicker and laugh whenever I did it. After my first head turn, he started dragging his feet louder and I turned around again and he started snickering. I have brass knuckles in my pocket for self-defense, I wanted to hit that guy so bad. (Brass knuckles are illegal in New York, so I didn't want to get into trouble). What would you guys have done? Is it legal to hit someone for racial/ethnic slurs directed at you and mentally retarded brother? This happened in front of cameras and it would of shown that I initiated the attack.

I would have avoided conflict at all costs. Enter a public store or something. I would certainly not let someone follow behind me.

Of course, I wouldn't be in NY where I am basically not allowed to carry a firearm for self-defense.

I think this guy was being a jerk and I am not saying anything he did was right, but it would have landed you in a ton of trouble if you did decide to hit him. If I was put in that situation I would probably have tried to go into a store as said above since it is New York and there are a lot of stores. I am really sorry for this guys inappropriate comments to you. As said above about making jokes about him I think this is an awful idea... If he has no trouble coming up to you two and making fun of you for your race then I do not think he would possibly have hurt you if you had joked about him. 
-AM

He had them crazy eyes though.

[SebastianJu]

Fear isnt a reason to attack legally. Otherwise even the scary look of a person could justify beating him. I think the guy only enjoyed fearing you. And it worked fine for him.
I think i would have tried not showing him that im concerned and trying not to escalate it. Going away from him into the shop was the right decision. Such scumbags arent worth that you turn your life negative because that would have happened when you attacked him or when you escalated it and he attacked you. Its simply not worth it. "Does the moon care when the dogs bark at it." Your above that and only fight back when needed. Though i know of course that its really hard in such situations because one normally doesnt have these every day so its a high adrenaline situation for nearly every person.
I know in TV people get shown to beat for "protecting honour" or similar stupid reasons but in real life these guys ends worse than the beaten. For a reason.

You're kidding right...? Fear isn't a reason to attack legally? Read up on this: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20800978-family-involved-in-suv-biker-clash-was-in-fear-for-our-lives?lite

I hope you see a difference in there. If i understand it right the biker attacked the car not only verbally but physically so that life threatening is in the range of possibility. Fear alone isnt enough for self defense... there must be valid reasons that your health or even life is in danger.

[grumpy619]

Go back, give him some chopsticks, that appear to be stained with blood.

You in SD?

[Kiki112]

Go back, give him some chopsticks, that appear to be stained with blood.

You in SD?

just tell him to go back to Europe, he's foreign in America as much as you are

America to Americans, not whites
Asians and Black people are welcome
Whites just think they own it..

[maxman190]

Fear isnt a reason to attack legally. Otherwise even the scary look of a person could justify beating him. I think the guy only enjoyed fearing you. And it worked fine for him.
I think i would have tried not showing him that im concerned and trying not to escalate it. Going away from him into the shop was the right decision. Such scumbags arent worth that you turn your life negative because that would have happened when you attacked him or when you escalated it and he attacked you. Its simply not worth it. "Does the moon care when the dogs bark at it." Your above that and only fight back when needed. Though i know of course that its really hard in such situations because one normally doesnt have these every day so its a high adrenaline situation for nearly every person.
I know in TV people get shown to beat for "protecting honour" or similar stupid reasons but in real life these guys ends worse than the beaten. For a reason.

You're kidding right...? Fear isn't a reason to attack legally? Read up on this: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20800978-family-involved-in-suv-biker-clash-was-in-fear-for-our-lives?lite

I hope you see a difference in there. If i understand it right the biker attacked the car not only verbally but physically so that life threatening is in the range of possibility. Fear alone isnt enough for self defense... there must be valid reasons that your health or even life is in danger.

No, the biker was just being assholes. They boxed in the SUV and slowed down, and SUV accidentally tapped the back of a biker and stopped completely. A biker started walking towards the SUV (to talk or to fight) SUV got scared and sped off, running over and paralyzing one of the biker.

It's basically like a woman being stalked by a guy in a dark alley, fear wouldn't justify her macing him?

[SebastianJu]

Fear isnt a reason to attack legally. Otherwise even the scary look of a person could justify beating him. I think the guy only enjoyed fearing you. And it worked fine for him.
I think i would have tried not showing him that im concerned and trying not to escalate it. Going away from him into the shop was the right decision. Such scumbags arent worth that you turn your life negative because that would have happened when you attacked him or when you escalated it and he attacked you. Its simply not worth it. "Does the moon care when the dogs bark at it." Your above that and only fight back when needed. Though i know of course that its really hard in such situations because one normally doesnt have these every day so its a high adrenaline situation for nearly every person.
I know in TV people get shown to beat for "protecting honour" or similar stupid reasons but in real life these guys ends worse than the beaten. For a reason.

You're kidding right...? Fear isn't a reason to attack legally? Read up on this: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20800978-family-involved-in-suv-biker-clash-was-in-fear-for-our-lives?lite

I hope you see a difference in there. If i understand it right the biker attacked the car not only verbally but physically so that life threatening is in the range of possibility. Fear alone isnt enough for self defense... there must be valid reasons that your health or even life is in danger.

No, the biker was just being assholes. They boxed in the SUV and slowed down, and SUV accidentally tapped the back of a biker and stopped completely. A biker started walking towards the SUV (to talk or to fight) SUV got scared and sped off, running over and paralyzing one of the biker.

It's basically like a woman being stalked by a guy in a dark alley, fear wouldn't justify her macing him?

Hm... hard to say... i guess in the USA the SUV Driver will have good chances.

Regarding the woman stalked in a dark alley... where will you draw the line? Lets assume the woman already had a bad situation and is afraid and a normal person is walking behind her. She can be feared to death but that doesnt justify her shooting the person down, regardless how she felt. There must be something factual. Otherwise if youre unlucky you can become a victim too without having done anything only because someone "felt" you are dangerous.

I dont want to be the judge in the SUV-Case though.

[hilariousandco]

Fear isnt a reason to attack legally. Otherwise even the scary look of a person could justify beating him. I think the guy only enjoyed fearing you. And it worked fine for him.
I think i would have tried not showing him that im concerned and trying not to escalate it. Going away from him into the shop was the right decision. Such scumbags arent worth that you turn your life negative because that would have happened when you attacked him or when you escalated it and he attacked you. Its simply not worth it. "Does the moon care when the dogs bark at it." Your above that and only fight back when needed. Though i know of course that its really hard in such situations because one normally doesnt have these every day so its a high adrenaline situation for nearly every person.
I know in TV people get shown to beat for "protecting honour" or similar stupid reasons but in real life these guys ends worse than the beaten. For a reason.

You're kidding right...? Fear isn't a reason to attack legally? Read up on this: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20800978-family-involved-in-suv-biker-clash-was-in-fear-for-our-lives?lite

I hope you see a difference in there. If i understand it right the biker attacked the car not only verbally but physically so that life threatening is in the range of possibility. Fear alone isnt enough for self defense... there must be valid reasons that your health or even life is in danger.

No, the biker was just being assholes. They boxed in the SUV and slowed down, and SUV accidentally tapped the back of a biker and stopped completely. A biker started walking towards the SUV (to talk or to fight) SUV got scared and sped off, running over and paralyzing one of the biker.

It's basically like a woman being stalked by a guy in a dark alley, fear wouldn't justify her macing him?

Can you define being 'stalked'? I don't want to be walking home the same way as the woman in front of me and she turns round and decides to mace me just in case I might be a rapist.

[Duane Vick]

Bare fear is not enough to claim self defense.

Each state is different so check your local laws. In new york, you probably have to be hiding in your window-less closet of the furthest room of your house, cowering in fear and pleading for your life at least 10x before you can use self defense against an attacker.

Bare fear is usually circumstantial. Seeing 10 gangbangers across the street staring at you would be bare fear in many people's eyes.

Reasonable fear would be if those 10 gangbangers started following you for a considerable distance, while making threats or gestures of harm.

Reasonable fear is usually enough to justify aggression but there is a matter of imminence. If those 10 gangbangers follow you into a dead end alley and keep coming towards you, making threats and you have no means of escape, now a reasonable person can be expected to defend themselves aggressively.

The threat isn't imminent if it is avoidable. You see a police officer while walking away from those 10 gangbangers but ignore him and keep on going. You could have avoided the imminent danger by letting the officer know of their actions.

Basically, you have to have a reasonable fear of harm and it has to be imminent. Yes, you might feel personally justified in giving your brass knuckles a workout on that guy's face but can your wet-behind-the-ears public defender convince 12 jurors that you were justified in your actions? You haven't convinced a public forum if that is any hint of your odds.

Google your state laws. If your going to carry a weapon, carry something legal. You can wear a belt that you don't really need and learn how to use it as a weapon. Not a crime to wear a belt but it will function to harm a person's face, wrap up a hand that has a knife, choke a person to death, etc. If you have access to a punching bag, practice tearing off your belt and delivering a strike to the bag. No one gets arrested for having a belt on them.

[maxman190]

Bare fear is not enough to claim self defense.

Each state is different so check your local laws. In new york, you probably have to be hiding in your window-less closet of the furthest room of your house, cowering in fear and pleading for your life at least 10x before you can use self defense against an attacker.

Bare fear is usually circumstantial. Seeing 10 gangbangers across the street staring at you would be bare fear in many people's eyes.

Reasonable fear would be if those 10 gangbangers started following you for a considerable distance, while making threats or gestures of harm.

Reasonable fear is usually enough to justify aggression but there is a matter of imminence. If those 10 gangbangers follow you into a dead end alley and keep coming towards you, making threats and you have no means of escape, now a reasonable person can be expected to defend themselves aggressively.

The threat isn't imminent if it is avoidable. You see a police officer while walking away from those 10 gangbangers but ignore him and keep on going. You could have avoided the imminent danger by letting the officer know of their actions.

Basically, you have to have a reasonable fear of harm and it has to be imminent. Yes, you might feel personally justified in giving your brass knuckles a workout on that guy's face but can your wet-behind-the-ears public defender convince 12 jurors that you were justified in your actions? You haven't convinced a public forum if that is any hint of your odds.

Google your state laws. If your going to carry a weapon, carry something legal. You can wear a belt that you don't really need and learn how to use it as a weapon. Not a crime to wear a belt but it will function to harm a person's face, wrap up a hand that has a knife, choke a person to death, etc. If you have access to a punching bag, practice tearing off your belt and delivering a strike to the bag. No one gets arrested for having a belt on them.

Belts aren't an option for me. My pants would fall off. Would a lock be legal? It's not really a brass knuckle. Hell, I can probably just buy those nokia phones and use those as a weapon...

[Duane Vick]

Can you buy a lock at a store without any special requirements? If so, then yes. Anything can be a weapon if you know how to use it. You could kill a person with a shoestring if you know how to use it.

Keep in mind that some things could be considered illegal improvised weapons. Pvc pipe is legal, spud guns and potato cannons are not. Personally, I wouldn't carry a lock in my pocket in a place like New York. Police have to consider the totality of the circumstances when investigating. A lock in the pocket without reason might be one of the contributing factors in making an arrest if you are searched.

[maxman190]

Can you buy a lock at a store without any special requirements? If so, then yes. Anything can be a weapon if you know how to use it. You could kill a person with a shoestring if you know how to use it.

Keep in mind that some things could be considered illegal improvised weapons. Pvc pipe is legal, spud guns and potato cannons are not. Personally, I wouldn't carry a lock in my pocket in a place like New York. Police have to consider the totality of the circumstances when investigating. A lock in the pocket without reason might be one of the contributing factors in making an arrest if you are searched.

What about using my Nokia 3310?

[hilariousandco]

Can you buy a lock at a store without any special requirements? If so, then yes. Anything can be a weapon if you know how to use it. You could kill a person with a shoestring if you know how to use it.

Keep in mind that some things could be considered illegal improvised weapons. Pvc pipe is legal, spud guns and potato cannons are not. Personally, I wouldn't carry a lock in my pocket in a place like New York. Police have to consider the totality of the circumstances when investigating. A lock in the pocket without reason might be one of the contributing factors in making an arrest if you are searched.

What about using my Nokia 3310?

You're not allowed to carry a con cealed weapon without a permit 

Classic phone though. Was a Nokia fanboy back in the day. Wouldn't mind ditching the iphone and going back.

[E.exchanger]

Yeah man you done a right this, ofcourse you should avoid trouble as far as you can. And no matter what he was doing you will be arrested too for violence and carrying a self defense mechanism. The best it to avoid these racism hits by just walking straight and ignoring what thy are saying and still if some try to be smart then their are cops everywhere or you ca just call them   

[Taras]

Ridiculous. It's insulting to society that we have people like this.

[postingthatsmypurpose]

I think you can just try to secretly record what he said and call the authority. Because this is a type of harassment

[coinsandcoins]

Well you did the right thing by walking away, and i would of done the same thing,

it's better to avoid conflict, but if you get hurt physically then that's when you call the cops or defend yourself.

One stupid thing could ruin your entire life.