[Suggestions] of The Others a.k.a digaran

[digaran]

Could we have a fork of DT? I'd say that DT should be visible only on altcoin sections if they are not on theymos's trust list, what say you? whoever is not on theymos's trust, their feedback should be only visible on altcoin sections by default. this way we would know who has tried to fork the trust system.

How is this for keeping trust decentralized and removing any chance of gaming and abusing the trust system?

We need a moderator in off-topic section. people are posting 100% garbage. I'd like to suggest to people start reporting a few of totally garbage posts on off-topic and any of the other forum boards with no moderators. let us clean this place together. you certainly don't want me to tag you all and ask you to report garbage posts do you? if I see nobody cares I might use force to make you all campaign shitposters to help a bit.

Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

He's just trolling. He thinks he's funny but he's not. He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him. Unless diagran is willing to change his behaviour I'd just ignore him from now on because I think these sorts of threads will just become more common.

Your slave has tagged me red again, he needs to keep tagging me in order to stay on DT2, right?

Translation of the bolded part: digaran has to be a good boy, he has to be my little bitch otherwise I'll ignore him.

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

Otherwise, I'd advise people to avoid using any anonymous escrow for large amounts.

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[AverageGlabella]

Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

[DarkStar_]

Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

How is this for keeping trust decentralized and removing any chance of gaming and abusing the trust system?

Let's decentralize trust and reduce abuse by making all default trusted users hand picked by theymos, with no possibility of disagreement!

[mdayonliner]

Let's decentralize trust and reduce abuse by making all default trusted users hand picked by theymos, with no possibility of disagreement!

Yeah let's do it! It would be fun.

Decentralize trust = Picked buy theymos  
Theory of everything

[digaran]

Let's decentralize trust and reduce abuse by making all default trusted users hand picked by theymos, with no possibility of disagreement!

Yeah let's do it! It would be fun.

Decentralize trust = Picked buy theymos  
Theory of everything

Is that alia's and humble Joe's baby in your avatar?

I'm not happy about things and I'm trying to change them, people in power could hear my suggestions and ignore them, but at least I know that I have tried.

[eddie13]

Let's decentralize trust and reduce abuse by making all default trusted users hand picked by theymos, with no possibility of disagreement!

Yeah let's do it! It would be fun.

Decentralize trust = Picked buy theymos  
Theory of everything

The power is in your hands..
Simply set your DT depth to 1 instead of 2 and mission accomplished..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Except maybe the disagreement part..

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

I can't either, but my guess is that he's not--but I can't understand the logic behind this request.  Not sure why the altcoin section would deserve a "trust fork".  I think trust should be shown everywhere, including Meta and to people who aren't logged in.  The latter has been discussed seriously and for good reason, since people are getting scammed without realizing that they're dealing with a scammer.  They should be doing more DD, but if it's not a huge burden for Theymos to show trust scores before logging in I think it should be done.

As for Mr. digaran's idea here, forget about it.  Suggestions, even if they make total sense here, generally don't get implemented.  That new forum software has been in the works for years now, and it doesn't look like much is going to change at all--we're lucky we got the merit system at all.  Digaran's idea doesn't even have the scent of rationality and it ain't gonna happen.  Sorry, diggums.

[HabBear]

How is this for keeping trust decentralized and removing any chance of gaming and abusing the trust system?

It's a non issue. Anyone can opt out of the default trust network by removing it from your trust settings.

The abuse of the trust system doesn't come from those in the network it comes from people that grant negative trust because they don't like what someone says, rather than having had a bad trade with them. People use negative trust as a weapon. that's the problem. And adjusting the default trust system won't change it.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I can't understand the logic behind this request.

Because he has tried (and spectacularly failed) to get suchmoon, actmyname, and marlboroza to remove the red trust they've given him. Since he can't change his own feedback, it seems he now wants to change the entire trust system to benefit him.

[edwardceng]

[Hero of Legendary]

Could we have a fork of DT? I'd say that DT should be visible only on altcoin sections if they are not on theymos's trust list, what say you? whoever is not on theymos's trust, their feedback should be only visible on altcoin sections by default. this way we would know who has tried to fork the trust system.

How is this for keeping trust decentralized and removing any chance of gaming and abusing the trust system?

Why not in off topics section. This will be a greatest idea. Haha. 

[hilariousetc]

Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

He's just trolling. He thinks he's funny but he's not. He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him. Unless diagran is willing to change his behaviour I'd just ignore him from now on because I think these sorts of threads will just become more common.

[Kim Ji Won]

He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him.

I don't know why he messed up his reputation in the forum and he keeps on messing up his current image but maybe a little more of members complaining about his behavior will make him redeem himself from his actions.

I can't understand the logic behind this request.

Because he has tried (and spectacularly failed) to get suchmoon, actmyname, and marlboroza to remove the red trust they've given him. Since he can't change his own feedback, it seems he now wants to change the entire trust system to benefit him.

and now he's trolling the forum creating topics where arguments are wasted and useless.

[pugman]

Could we have a fork of DT? I'd say that DT should be visible only on altcoin sections if they are not on theymos's trust list, what say you? whoever is not on theymos's trust, their feedback should be only visible on altcoin sections by default. this way we would know who has tried to fork the trust system.

How is this for keeping trust decentralized and removing any chance of gaming and abusing the trust system?

The section where no one gives a shit about trust? Sounds about right. I am not sure you understand how trust is to be decentralized. You see, theymos wants to decentralize the trust system by having a few trusted members(DT1 members) having to delegate their authority to people who they seem are trustworthy(DT2 members).

[Blue Tyrant]

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

I suppose this thread's one of the best examples of Poe's Law at play (which I like to quote a lot given how relevant it is these days)


But damn I think Digiran lost more than a few screws while I was gone. Last I remember he was accusing BTCforJoe for his signatureless campaign and the next thing I know is he's deep in the rabbithole of trolling, red paints and wild delusions.

[stompix]

But damn I think Digiran lost more than a few screws while I was gone. Last I remember he was accusing BTCforJoe for his signatureless campaign and the next thing I know is he's deep in the rabbithole of trolling, red paints and wild delusions.

You could open an entire Home Depot with the things he has lost in the last few weeks .

Could we have a fork of DT?

We already have one, it's called Reddit   Give it a try!

[digaran]

Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.

He's just trolling. He thinks he's funny but he's not. He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him. Unless diagran is willing to change his behaviour I'd just ignore him from now on because I think these sorts of threads will just become more common.

Your slave has tagged me red again, he needs to keep tagging me in order to stay on DT2, right?

Translation of the bolded part: digaran has to be a good boy, he has to be my little bitch otherwise I'll ignore him.

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

Otherwise, I'd advise people to avoid using any anonymous escrow for large amounts.

[Flying Hellfish]

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EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You've gone off the fucking deep end if you think theymos is going to require kyc from DT members.  Also no escrow is officially sanctioned by the forum.  The forum is not suggesting in any way shape or form you can trust ANY escrow agent here.  You are 100% responsible for YOUR property.  Asking theymos and the forum to "protect" you in any way shows how little you know about this forum and community...

Otherwise, I'd advise people to avoid using any anonymous escrow for large amounts.

In anything one should never risk more than they can afford to lose.  What is a large amount of money to one person may not be to another.  This is another reason why it is 100% up to you to protect your stuff.  You and every other user have the free will not to use any service here ever, it's that simple.  Trusted, untrusted or anything else doesn't matter because the decision is ultimately yours in the end...

[digaran]

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EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

You've gone off the fucking deep end if you think theymos is going to require kyc from DT members.  Also no escrow is officially sanctioned by the forum.  The forum is not suggesting in any way shape or form you can trust ANY escrow agent here.  You are 100% responsible for YOUR property.  Asking theymos and the forum to "protect" you in any way shows how little you know about this forum and community...

Otherwise, I'd advise people to avoid using any anonymous escrow for large amounts.

In anything one should never risk more than they can afford to lose.  What is a large amount of money to one person may not be to another.  This is another reason why it is 100% up to you to protect your stuff.  You and every other user have the free will not to use any service here ever, it's that simple.  Trusted, untrusted or anything else doesn't matter because the decision is ultimately yours in the end...

Of course, that's why I have advised not to trust anybody here with large amount of money, though I guess that we all know that when you have a green trust rating, you'd have a better chance to gain the trust of the community. or if you are red tagged, people would not listen to you seriously. I will change that. I am going to show everybody that having a green or red trust means nothing and shouldn't mean anything because it has already lost it's true value. people are no longer tagging scammers, they are no longer leaving positive trust for trusted members.

Why should we trust a green trusted member? because another green trusted member has left him/her a positive feedback. how could we trust the two green trusted members? because they all are trusted by theymos? but theymos doesn't trust some of the green trusted members.

I will not continue to explain more, you already know that everybody here is leaving trust feedback for anybody they want for any reason. people should not trust this system where other people are in control of everything.

[Flying Hellfish]

Why should we trust a green trusted member? because another green trusted member has left him/her a positive feedback. how could we trust the two green trusted members? because they all are trusted by theymos? but theymos doesn't trust some of the green trusted members.

If I want to trust them then I am allowed to do so.  If I believe there is value in the green trust and I wish to make an agreement with one of the I am allowed to do so.  I get to decide how much value the trust colour has for ME.  Just as you and everyone else here are free to do the same or the opposite its your choice big boy!