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Could we have a fork of DT? I'd say that DT should be visible only on altcoin sections if they are not on theymos's trust list, what say you? whoever is not on theymos's trust, their feedback should be only visible on altcoin sections by default. this way we would know who has tried to fork the trust system.

How is this for keeping trust decentralized and removing any chance of gaming and abusing the trust system?

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Why would this benefit people at all? Is it because you want to hide your trust rating?

I would say he's trolling, but I can't even tell any more.


Let's decentralize trust and reduce abuse by making all default trusted users hand picked by theymos, with no possibility of disagreement!

Yeah let's do it! It would be fun.

Decentralize trust = Picked buy theymos  
Theory of everything

Is that alia's and humble Joe's baby in your avatar? ;)

I'm not happy about things and I'm trying to change them, people in power could hear my suggestions and ignore them, but at least I know that I have tried.

The power is in your hands..
Simply set your DT depth to 1 instead of 2 and mission accomplished..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust

Except maybe the disagreement part..

I can't either, but my guess is that he's not--but I can't understand the logic behind this request.  Not sure why the altcoin section would deserve a "trust fork".  I think trust should be shown everywhere, including Meta and to people who aren't logged in.  The latter has been discussed seriously and for good reason, since people are getting scammed without realizing that they're dealing with a scammer.  They should be doing more DD, but if it's not a huge burden for Theymos to show trust scores before logging in I think it should be done.

As for Mr. digaran's idea here, forget about it.  Suggestions, even if they make total sense here, generally don't get implemented.  That new forum software has been in the works for years now, and it doesn't look like much is going to change at all--we're lucky we got the merit system at all.  Digaran's idea doesn't even have the scent of rationality and it ain't gonna happen.  Sorry, diggums.

It's a non issue. Anyone can opt out of the default trust network by removing it from your trust settings.

The abuse of the trust system doesn't come from those in the network it comes from people that grant negative trust because they don't like what someone says, rather than having had a bad trade with them. People use negative trust as a weapon. that's the problem. And adjusting the default trust system won't change it.

Because he has tried (and spectacularly failed) to get suchmoon, actmyname, and marlboroza to remove the red trust they've given him. Since he can't change his own feedback, it seems he now wants to change the entire trust system to benefit him.

Why not in off topics section. This will be a greatest idea. Haha.  ;D

He's just trolling. He thinks he's funny but he's not. He's managed to get his account ruined with multiple red trusts so he probably figures he hasn't got anything to lose. I was hoping he'd learn his lesson and change his ways once he managed to get his initial negative feedback changed to neutral, but instead he ramped up the trolling for some reason and now look at him. Unless diagran is willing to change his behaviour I'd just ignore him from now on because I think these sorts of threads will just become more common.

I don't know why he messed up his reputation in the forum and he keeps on messing up his current image but maybe a little more of members complaining about his behavior will make him redeem himself from his actions.

and now he's trolling the forum creating topics where arguments are wasted and useless.

The section where no one gives a shit about trust? Sounds about right.

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I am not sure you understand how trust is to be decentralized. You see, theymos wants to decentralize the trust system by having a few trusted members(DT1 members) having to delegate their authority to people who they seem are trustworthy(DT2 members).

I suppose this thread's one of the best examples of Poe's Law at play (which I like to quote a lot given how relevant it is these days)

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But damn I think Digiran lost more than a few screws while I was gone. Last I remember he was accusing BTCforJoe for his signatureless campaign and the next thing I know is he's deep in the rabbithole of trolling, red paints and wild delusions.

You could open an entire Home Depot with the things he has lost in the last few weeks :D.


We already have one, it's called Reddit  ;D ;D ;D Give it a try!

Your slave has tagged me red again, he needs to keep tagging me in order to stay on DT2, right?

Translation of the bolded part: digaran has to be a good boy, he has to be my little bitch otherwise I'll ignore him.

EDIT: I would also like to suggest that DT2 members to pass a KYC procedure, theymos should be the only one who'd see the documents. I'd say that DT1 members who are acting as escrow should also pass KYC. one person has to have a way of tracking them if things goes south. we need at least to trust theymos to keep the information safe and never betrays DT1-2 members.

Otherwise, I'd advise people to avoid using any anonymous escrow for large amounts.

You've gone off the fucking deep end if you think theymos is going to require kyc from DT members.  Also no escrow is officially sanctioned by the forum.  The forum is not suggesting in any way shape or form you can trust ANY escrow agent here.  You are 100% responsible for YOUR property.  Asking theymos and the forum to "protect" you in any way shows how little you know about this forum and community...

In anything one should never risk more than they can afford to lose.  What is a large amount of money to one person may not be to another.  This is another reason why it is 100% up to you to protect your stuff.  You and every other user have the free will not to use any service here ever, it's that simple.  Trusted, untrusted or anything else doesn't matter because the decision is ultimately yours in the end...

Of course, that's why I have advised not to trust anybody here with large amount of money, though I guess that we all know that when you have a green trust rating, you'd have a better chance to gain the trust of the community. or if you are red tagged, people would not listen to you seriously. I will change that. I am going to show everybody that having a green or red trust means nothing and shouldn't mean anything because it has already lost it's true value. people are no longer tagging scammers, they are no longer leaving positive trust for trusted members.

Why should we trust a green trusted member? because another green trusted member has left him/her a positive feedback. how could we trust the two green trusted members? because they all are trusted by theymos? but theymos doesn't trust some of the green trusted members.

I will not continue to explain more, you already know that everybody here is leaving trust feedback for anybody they want for any reason. people should not trust this system where other people are in control of everything.

If I want to trust them then I am allowed to do so.  If I believe there is value in the green trust and I wish to make an agreement with one of the I am allowed to do so.  I get to decide how much value the trust colour has for ME.  Just as you and everyone else here are free to do the same or the opposite its your choice big boy! 

Not true, we're forced to trust a selected few by default or distrust a few by default. we don't actually have a choice, this is an illusion of free will. somebody like suchmoon would tag me just to say that I'm not even worth 0.01 after being here for 2.5 years.
We are forced to live with this unfair system unfortunately if we want to be a part of this community. I know it as well. I have no complaints other than speaking my mind.

Again, people are leaving -+ trust for anybody they want and the ones with the power of giving default -+ trust are abusing it, they have a cartel and they are using this community to build an empire. and we are the village idiots they say.

Yes, that's correct. I almost had to remove him from DT when I saw he had removed your initial feedback. Bad slave.


Well there's only so much of your nonsense I'm willing to engage with because I know it's going to go nowhere. If you've decided your account is only worth for trolling then people should do what annoy trolls the most and ignore them. 


You see, do you actually believe this or are you just posting nonsense? theymos would never do this and has already publicly shot such a suggestion down.

Maybe KYD -know your default?

Or better - KYS - know your slave?  ;D

Admit that you are a slave to your master's wills. you had to tag me again because you were afraid to lose your position. it hurts to be right. right?

We need a moderator in off-topic section. people are posting 100% garbage. I'd like to suggest to people start reporting a few of totally garbage posts on off-topic and any of the other forum boards with no moderators. let us clean this place together. you certainly don't want me to tag you all and ask you to report garbage posts do you? if I see nobody cares I might use force to make you all campaign shitposters to help a bit.

I forgot to add. ;) please don't tag me. these are my ideas.

I would like to suggest that forum should ban account sales. how?

Here is the way:

Disable the signature for any account with changed email address, it is not efficient to manually verify if every single account has been sold or not, so we could remove the chance for garbage posters/sig spammers to keep posting garbage.

Here is my argument:
We know that people here are earning money by posting, nothing wrong with that as long as they post constructively, however we could test people's loyalty to this forum and to the Bitcoin, if they are here only to post and get paid, better we tackle the issue from the roots, how?

Let them to be here and post if they are really here to support crypto, disable their signatures to see if they stay or would leave?
If they stay after getting their sig disabled, good for them and for us, if they leave then we know that they were only here to post garbage.
Account sellers would hate this idea.

E-mail address change is not a proof of account sale. Legitimate users can change their e-mail addresses for legitimate reasons. Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them. Stop repeating this nonsense.

Password reset and email change then? legitimate users could still post, they wont be affected.

Which part of "Account farmers can sell accounts with farmed e-mail addresses therefore not needing to change them" is not sufficiently clear to you?

1) Account farmer, let's call her SlowBuyer, creates an email account farmed-account-1256@gmail.com and a corresponding forum account "totally-not-farmed-account-1256".
2) SlowBuyer shitposts with the "totally-not-farmed-account-1256" for a few weeks, maybe sends a merit or two to it.
3) SlowBuyer sells "totally-not-farmed-account-1256" together with farmed-account-1256@gmail.com.
4) There is no e-mail change nor password reset. There is likely a password change, which is not proof of anything.

Your plan is stupid, give it up.

Great then, so we could disable signatures for password reset accounts only?

It would inconvenience legitimate accounts, including ones with unpaid signatures, and it wouldn't do much or anything at all to curb account sales.

For how long? Can't someone (the hacker or the buyer) just wait until they can use the signatures?

This would just hurt legit users. Those who got hacked can sign a message so a DT member can neg trust the account and make it useless for bounties/campaigns. But the legit user can't do anything and will need to wait until their signatures get enabled again.

Also, many users are used on changing their password from time to time as a security measure.

Is this means that I am not supposed to be alarmed about email and password changes? it was written in red before but now it looks like this:

http://www.auplod.com/u/opladuaa129.png (http://www.auplod.com/i-opladuaa129.html)

Then I would drop the case and wont tag people just because they changed their email and pass. you account farmers and account sellers could keep doing your business as usual, nothing to be worried about.

However I have discovered seclog just a few days ago, and I will take a look at it from time to time to see if any account in a position of power has changed email/pass recently or not and then I would take a closer look at their post histories and a sudden change of posting habits/tagging habits.
Believe me when I say it, I'm on to you all.

Guys I'm begging you, ask Vod to un-tag me. I only got a hold over seclog recently, so I got carried away. ;)

You consistently get carried away. This lack of foresight has ended up with you backpedaling on many occasions: perhaps it's best to take this as a sign of you doing something wrong?

Feel free to lose that hubris any time.

When he first created this thread, I thought @digaran was trolling. As it progresses, I think he's actually being serious.

I really do think that @digaran is delusional. I used to think that he was a genius troll who knew how to get people rowdy and all salty and shit. But once he got himself red tagged and I was able to see how he thought about the whole DT network, I quickly learned that this is, in fact, the way that his brain actually works.

I would ask you guys not to feed the troll, but he's not a troll. He's just a delusional character that has no idea how to socialize or interact in a world filled with humans.

https://i.imgur.com/vVIvC1W.png

I would like to suggest that moderators and vigilant forum members to closely watch every single merit source and their profiles for any email and password changes, it has been proven that people are indeed in business of trading high profile accounts and what is better to sell than a merit source account? do not show any mercy to a merit source if they changed their email and password. if they did then we should keep them under a closer watch and monitor their every merit transaction.

Remember that I'm delusional right? recent events would suggest otherwise.

Ice to Eskimos - I'm told they love the stuff.

I like how your own crooked intentions shine through everything you do on this forum. Is that why you reapplied for a merit source position - to be able to sell the account?

Not to mention that you're suggesting to watch merit sources but there is no public list of them so whom are we supposed to watch?

Why I said moderators because they have the list of all the merit sources and I said vigilant forum members because we already know a few merit sources.

New suggestion:
We all know that people are not using the trust system only to identify scammers, for example I haven't scammed anybody but still I do have several negative feedbacks. there are so many negative and positive feedbacks without any risked amount.
Here is my suggestion:

Could we make a new system with the name "reputation" and add all the +- feedbacks without any risked amounts to the reputation scores of forum members? let the trust system to be used only for trading with actual risked amounts and exclude all the feedbacks without risked amounts from trust scores and include them on reputation scores. what do you think?

I agree here, personal opinions about other members shouldn't be listed in the trust score. As a very powerful tool, the trust score should only show real bad things it was constructed for or things affecting the forum came up later. Main thing: scamming another person or try to scam. But also account sales, merit trading and bounty abuse by cheating with alt accounts should be sanctioned with a negsative trust score. Only all these hard facts should be listed.

Personal opinions about others are not worth a "trade with extreme caution" because a DT member don't like someone.

I think that you're desperate to get rid of the red paint you have and are trying to come up with any stupid idea possible to make that happen.  Since you don't have the slightest clue of how reality works it doesn't surprise me you come up with a stupid idea.

I'm desperate to get rid of all the unjust and inaccurate feedbacks, so many positive and negative feedbacks not just without any reference but without any risked amounts, that means many of the people are not scammers or trustworthy but they still get both + and - feedbacks. trust system should be only for trading with evidence to back it up. your reality seems to work only your way, that's who you are, slave to others wills. you think if somebody is on DT whatever they do and say is right by default, I don't expect anything less from you.

That's what you think however it has been clearly stated that the trust system is NOT exclusive to trades only. 


My reality coincides with actually reality, unlike your's.  Yes yes call me a slave, we all know that's all you got, silly little troll.


I would appreciate very much if you would provide some evidence of me saying such.  This is the entire fucking problem with your mentally deluded peanut fucking brain.  You make shit up to suit you're agenda. silly little troll.


You mean an atheist?  Yes I know your bias already, silly little troll.

People are misusing the trust system, for example OgNasty is a trust abuser, if you read his feedbacks you'll understand, many people are misusing the trust system, tagging each other left and right with green and red tagging anybody they don't like. I as a part of this community am not happy about this and I'd like to urge admins to please do something about it. this is all I can do, ask those in a position of authority to change the system to make it more fair.

Isn't it an amazing coincidence that your idea would instantly remove all your red trust.

But hey who knows if you can convince theymos your idea is a good one I'm sure he will implement it!

Or you could stop whining about it and do something useful instead. How many ICO scams did you uncover today? How many shitposters did you report? Both activities you have rambled about in the past. Is it still your expectation that someone else should do it?

I didn't have a tag when I started my thread on service section to help red trusted people.


How many successful ICOs do you know? they are all scam with a few exceptions. I have actually started to actively report garbage posters with their shill posts on altcoin sections.

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This is really a good idea, people should use the trust system for trades with risked amounts> identifying real scammers. when you start tagging people just because they are speaking against you, trust system will become useless to say who is really a scammer or not. if you tag somebody with a risked amount included, you could get caught easily for lying if it turns out that there was no risked Bitcoin involved.

I agree it's a fantastic idea if you have negative trust and don't want it to be there...


New fucking flash they do, seems system working as intended!


You perception that you were tagged for "speaking against" someone is not reality.  Continuing to repeat the same nonsense does not actually make it true.

The trust system helps identify people that aren't trustworthy.  As an example some members of this community don't trust you and think it is wise to warn other users that someone like you shouldn't be trusted with a single satoshi.  No one gives a fuck if you have actually scammed someone or not your warped sense of reality and delusions are more than enough reason for any user to avoid doing anything with you.  As such it is a great idea to warn other users how untrustworthy you are incase they are not up to speed on your delusions of grandeur!

I wasn't talking about myself, refer to OgNasty and his ratings. I am coming to realize that he is a real trust abuser and should not hold any power on this forum.
We really need something to be done to stop these rogue DT members from abusing people, it would be interesting to see the tags of bullies removed from the trust scores of forum members. you just keep at attacking me, hypocrite.

We shouldn't let our opinions be swayed by red trusts, These bullies will receive their punishment when judgement day comes.

We must understand these bullies have low self esteem, they are ugly people. Truly ugly inside and out.  I used to know a bully like this , his hair fell out and great misfortune was bestowed upon him.  Karma is very real and what comes around goes around.

So work on getting him removed from DT and not changing the system to your benefit...
And btw if you're not successful at getting him removed it doesn't automatically make the system rigged.

Jesus christ you're fucking dense, it is simply amazing how everyone else is wrong and digaran is ALWAYS right about everything (regarding trust), you're inability to look at anything but your preconceived notion is at the root of why people around here think you're crazy...

It wont help, if he is removed somebody else will take his place, DT members are extremely confident that whatever they do could go unpunished. news flash, I'm here to point fingers at their abuse of other people and misuse of the trust system. what we need to do is to make it impossible for any DT member to do as they please.
Excluding trust feedbacks without any risked amount from the trust scores of people would be a good starting point to eradicate cyber bullying from this community.

Unfortunately theymos seems to be easily manipulated, refer to the last time people emailed him to ask for campaign managers and he immediately submitted to their wills, now we have a list of a selected few and hand picked managers being directly endorsed by the forum. he also seems to be indifferent about recent trust feedbacks. come on please, if we could report garbage and off topic posts via a link, I am trying to report trust abuse and bullying via my complaints and posts. I expect more from people like theymos.


First of all a lol at your name, lol. secondly I'm trying to warn them before it's too late, when that day comes nobody will help them.