ashapasa
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February 22, 2014, 08:19:12 PM |
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Do you agree higher risk should equal higher reward? Those who invested directly listened to their gut and took a leap of faith.
No, future scammers will use that trick to scam even more people. All IPOs should be escrow based. The IPOs without that as ONLY option should be deleted and threads locked by the admin. The accounts should be banned. That will cut down the IPO scam flood on this forum. You are saying, people who want to take risk should be held back so people who are risk averse could benefit ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) your violating the fundamental principle of capitalism. I believe all IPO should have an escrow option not escrow based. Everyone should have the option to invest in the manner they see fit, u give risktakers too little respect. I dont think anyone of us here are 8yrs old, we can make our own judgements.
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roede94105
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February 22, 2014, 08:23:11 PM Last edit: February 22, 2014, 08:57:02 PM by roede94105 |
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I invested directly (crazy me), and I don't think we should be higher rewarded than escrow people. I DO THINK, HOWEVER, THAT ALL OF US, that invested, right now, should get higher reward indeed . We should have a bigger piece of the cake, because we are taking crazy risks, and we are a lot to do so. If we get only 15% to share, we'll probably pay more than the real value, or make little benefits regarding the risks anyways (I'm not investing in an iPO to see a *2 or *3 of my investment). But OP did say he was looking into it. 25%, or maybe 30% (maybe too much?), should be aimed.
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Eadeqa
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February 22, 2014, 08:27:17 PM |
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You are saying, people who want to take risk should be held back so people who are risk averse could benefit ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) your violating the fundamental principle of capitalism. Everyone is already taking risk by investing in something that even if launched could be worthless in 6 months. You are basically telling us that we should encourage even more fraud and scammers on this forum who will steal more money. That's your definition of "captialism"? What are you, stupid? Encouraging fruad and scam is != capitalism. There is already risk in being part of IPO, even if it's launched.
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Vega
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February 22, 2014, 08:49:42 PM |
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Sent 1.1 BTC to Anon136 for escrow. tx: 1754e84722334b4f96fc8bec43f8de57e2d95780891e48c870729b3d62cef148
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freigeist
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February 22, 2014, 08:56:29 PM |
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Hello I have sent ฿0.30270 to Anon136 for escrow for stage 1 TX ID: e760828e04cf0b6c825069e032e91995d265af3e0f16e5f1dcb7f5c8934aa2d0
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ashapasa
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February 22, 2014, 09:05:22 PM |
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You are saying, people who want to take risk should be held back so people who are risk averse could benefit ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) your violating the fundamental principle of capitalism. Everyone is already taking risk by investing in something that even if launched could be worthless in 6 months. You are basically telling us that we should encourage even more fraud and scammers on this forum who will steal more money. That's your definition of "captialism"? What are you, stupid? Encouraging fruad and scam is != capitalism. There is already risk in being part of IPO, even if it's launched. thank u for calling me stupid for not agreeing with u ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I dont know about u, I tend to think there different degrees of risk , what are you, an idiot ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) . sorry for calling u that, but tit for tat right. Anyway, lets end it here, I dont resort to name calling. Its childish, u win.
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lyka
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February 22, 2014, 09:08:29 PM |
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eXocoin
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twistelaar
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February 22, 2014, 09:20:12 PM |
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Investing is always a risk. if you dont like risks, dont invest.
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Anon136
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February 22, 2014, 09:20:58 PM |
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were you guys having difficulty with bitcointalk or was that just me?
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Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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mudshark79
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February 22, 2014, 09:23:34 PM |
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were you guys having difficulty with bitcointalk or was that just me?
Also difficulties of different types: nginx gateway errors, database non availabilities and timeouts ...
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ashapasa
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February 22, 2014, 09:25:25 PM |
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yeah ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Sebastien256
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February 22, 2014, 09:26:42 PM |
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were you guys having difficulty with bitcointalk or was that just me?
yes,have probem too
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Eadeqa
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February 22, 2014, 09:30:23 PM Last edit: February 22, 2014, 09:44:55 PM by Eadeqa |
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thank u for calling me stupid for not agreeing with u ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I dont know about u, I tend to think there different degrees of risk , what are you, an idiot ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) . It's not the question of "different degree of risk". It's equal risk as future in 6 months isn't clear. What you are saying is that things that encourage more IPO frauds and scams should get more shares. See what happened here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457575.0 close to $40,000 stolen. That is a felony in the US . The whole IPO drama should be shut on this forum, unless there are safety precautions included (like must be escrow based). This is not a question of "risk" but it's a question of crime (stealing money), and I think if this continues even when the "bitcointalk.org" owners know that most of these IPOs are fraud, "bitcointalk.org" owners themselves can be accesory to crime. If I was attorney, I would think if the victims of the crimes have a civil case. -- at least if these scams continue and that $40,000 becomes 4 million -- that then will be definitely a civil lawsuit against the site, as the owners knowingly allowed the fraudsters to solicit using their platform.
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ashapasa
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February 22, 2014, 10:00:02 PM |
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thank u for calling me stupid for not agreeing with u ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I dont know about u, I tend to think there different degrees of risk , what are you, an idiot ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) . It's not the question of "different degree of risk". It's equal risk future in 6 months isn't clear. What you are saying is that things that encourage more IPO frauds and scams should get more shares. See what what happened here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457575.0 close to $40,000 stolen. That is a felony in the US . The whole IPO drama should be shut on this forum, unless there are safety precaution included (like must be escrow based). This is not a question of "risk" but it's a question of criminal of offence (stealing money), and I think if this continues even when the "bitcointalk.org" owners know most of these IPOs are fraud, "bitcointalk.org" owners themselves can be accesory to crime. See, being civil is so much better ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . First of all, I am saying nothing of that sort , its your interpretation of what u think I am saying. Risk after six months might be equal, risk right now clearly is not. I dont think bitcointalk owners are omniscient , there is no way we can blame them for our actions. I am concerned about this present IPO, in which there are two ways to invest. one more risky then the other. What u want to discuss is in the future, what I am stating is for this IPO. We are talking about two different things . goodnight.
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Brilliantrocket
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February 22, 2014, 10:03:14 PM |
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Why would a reputable dev even accept investments prior to the release of a white paper or, at the very least, some sample code? Giving risk takers a greater share, when he could just release the paper and not be accused of scamming. Seems really fishy to me.
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February 22, 2014, 10:07:16 PM Last edit: February 23, 2014, 09:14:24 AM by Sanglotslongs |
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@ Anon136
Sent 0.5 BTC...
To: 1J68eajnyueiLeYdaBUiVySFhPiwpafzmY Debit: -0.50 BTC Transaction fee: -0.0001 BTC Net amount: -0.5001 BTC Transaction ID: 293c91120642fb9680922f4956b4aaca92bc55f8de1c65d4329303997ac7e6e6
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Brilliantrocket
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February 22, 2014, 10:15:13 PM |
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I seriously doubt that Anon136 would scam anyone. It's the dev that seems suspicious to me. Why incentivize risk, thus lending to a scam perception of your coin, when you could just release the white paper before taking investment. This is what any legitimate coin would do. This "dev" just seems to be taking advantage of people's greed.
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ashapasa
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February 22, 2014, 10:20:20 PM |
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I seriously doubt that Anon136 would scam anyone. It's the dev that seems suspicious to me. Why incentivize risk, thus lending to a scam perception of your coin, when you could just release the white paper before taking investment. This is what any legitimate coin would do. This "dev" just seems to be taking advantage of people's greed.
I am a greedy . I was born greedy, had no choice. Who here is not greedy?
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February 22, 2014, 10:21:42 PM |
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@ Anon136 Sent 0.93 BTC
To: 1J68eajnyueiLeYdaBUiVySFhPiwpafzmY Debit: -0.93 BTC Transaction ID: c872dcb33f7ed1862b1052cfcc2442ae4018fc0cea475f39b21e4589a9c79e1f
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February 22, 2014, 10:25:22 PM |
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I know how this story ends.
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