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Author Topic: 2014-01-24 - This is What it’s Like to Be a Woman at a Bitcoin Meetup  (Read 9166 times)
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January 25, 2014, 01:56:15 AM
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http://ariannasimpson.com/post/74400025051/this-is-what-its-like-to-be-a-woman-at-a-bitcoin

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The other night my good friend & fellow cryptoenthusiast Ryan Shea suggested we head to a new Bitcoin meetup neither of us had been to before. I agreed to meet him there, and though the conversation was stimulating, much of the experience was pretty demeaning.  

I walk in and a group of people are already sitting at a long table. I say hi and hover for a second, determining where to sit. Entirely uninvited, and before I even have a chance to react, one guy proceeds to grab me by the waist and pull me into an awkward, grope-y side hug next to him on the bench. To reiterate, I’ve never met this man in my life. I try giving him the benefit of the doubt and make some quip about his being a friendly sort, but it gets uncomfortable pretty quickly when he puts his hand on my leg and leaves it there until I squirm uncomfortably.

Unsurprisingly, this type of treatment wasn’t specially reserved for me. The person who actually suggested the event to Ryan was another young woman (the only other woman at the event), a VC who was in town from San Francisco and was interested in checking it out for the first time. The aforementioned groper knew Ryan vaguely from other Bitcoin events, and greeted their arrival with a warm “Oh, nice to see you! I see you brought your girlfriend this time.” When the two of them try to point out that a) they are not together and b) she was actually the one who had brought him, they are cut off with a swift “Sure, sure, I just wanted to see what the dynamic was between you two.” Apparently that’s code for “checking if you’re ok with my hitting on her,” as that’s exactly what he proceeds to do.

The guy sitting on the other side of me turns and introduces himself. Turns out, he’s the organizer and leader of the meetup. He follows with a swift, “So, how did you find out about this?” I’m honestly not sure if he means the meet up group or Bitcoin in general, so I go with the latter and tell him I’ve been interested (ok, obsessed—my friend Sam Smith may or may not have nicknamed me Cryptoqueen) since around mid 2013, which is when I started buying some.

He then starts to look at me like I’ve suddenly morphed into a unicorn. Literally: bulging eyes, mouth slightly agape, the whole nine yards. Apparently the expected response would have been that I was Ryan’s  friend/girlfriend/sister who had somehow accidentally ended up there. “Seriously? You mean you actually own bitcoins? You don’t look like someone who would even know about Bitcoin!”

Err…thanks? It’s not a reaction I’m unfamiliar with (I usually get the same one when people hear I have a motorcycle-and no, it’s not a vespa) so I just smile it off and start explaining my interest in the international implications of widespread bitcoin adoption, especially in countries where currency manipulation by corrupt governments has caused rampant hyperinflation and a host of other economic woes. I conclude the thought, and he (again, staring like I’m some sort of extraterrestrial creature), goes, “Wow. Women don’t usually say that type of things”.

I mean, what do you even respond to that?

Undeterred, I try to sidestep it and go on with my argument, concluding that what I am describing is “much more effective and efficient” than the current system. “Well,” he says looking at me knowingly, “Women don’t usually think in terms of efficiency and effectiveness”.




A few minutes later he starts describing an app he is working on to someone else at the table. “You see, women don’t care about crypto currencies, so we don’t have to design for them”. When I tell him he’s wrong, he smartly replies, completely in earnest, “Oh ok cool, so if we start dating I can use the app with you!”

The irony here is that he actually meant these things as compliments. But what he was implying that the bar for women is so low that my entirely unremarkable comments put me lightyears ahead of the “average woman” (whatever that even means).

Anyone who knows me will attest to the fact that I’m pretty thick skinned. My self esteem remained intact throughout the exchange; if anything, it made me more determined to learn. I was not even made to feel unwelcome; these fellows were clearly thrilled at the presence of two women at the event. The problem lies in the conditions under which our company was desired. We were not treated as peers or individuals who might be able to contribute intelligently to the discussion. We were ogled and clearly assumed to be someone’s girlfriend, or someone’s potential future girlfriend.

Was either of us mistreated? Technically, no. But the conditions under which our presence was accepted were such that from the moment we entered the room, the other attendees’s preconceptions were at a distinct disadvantage. Perhaps this would be a good time to recall Warren Buffet’s comment that one of the reasons for his great success was that he was only competing with half of the population. We can view it as an opportunity. Being underestimated can be a surprisingly effective tool in the appropriate context, but perhaps that’s just me being overly optimistic. I know many women, many of whom are far smarter than I am, who would have felt seriously out of place there. Would they go back to the next meet up? I doubt it.  If the organizer of the meetup makes people feel so unwelcome, it sets the tone for the rest of the conversation.

I’m not bringing these comments up because my feelings were hurt, and the last thing I need is sympathy. I’m also not concerned that one particular guy thinks women couldn’t possibly know about Bitcoin, or that another grabbed at me, but unfortunately this is representative of a larger trend. The current generation of hackathon organizers (largely led by the singular efforts of Dave Fontenot —hellllllyeah) is making a concerted effort to encourage the participation of women at their events, and while I’ve still gotten my share of off-color comments, the situation is gradually improving. Since Bitcoin is still so new, we have the rare opportunity to get onboard before the ship has sailed, becoming knowledgeable before a vast majority of people have ever even heard of it. Learning about it now, instead of trying to play catch-up as it often seems like we are in terms of women in STEM fields, programming, or traditional finance, will surely reap great benefits.

I think my experience at the meetup is worth sharing because Bitcoin lies at the heart of both finance and tech, two industries that carry tremendous weight and which have traditionally struggled to attract women. Given the events of the other night, this is hardly surprising. I am undeterred and if anything will be even more proactive about attending these events. In my mind, it’s a little preposterous that if I want to do so, however, I have to be ok with being felt up and indirectly insulted. If women fail to take an active interest in Bitcoin now, when it is still in its infancy and its potential is largely untapped, we will have yet another sector in which the gender is underrepresented and trailing. Bitcoin as a currency has the ability to revolutionize the banking and financial system, but the implication of Bitcoin as a protocol extend much further than that. I’ll write a post of my own on that soon, but in the meantime I recommend you check out Mark Andreessen’s excellent post on why Bitcoin matters.  

Anyways ladies, ignore the naysayers and get out to those Bitcoin meetups! If you want to attend a meetup or chat crypto anytime, shoot me a line on Twitter.
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January 26, 2014, 07:18:30 AM
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January 26, 2014, 09:44:57 AM
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No, actually, that's not what it's like to be a woman at a bitcoin meeting. That is what it is like to be her, a person looking to start an Internet career through the good ol' victim + guilt + white knight combo. Everyone will run to her rescue and the community will now prove that this is not the case...Honestly, it's probably a great move for her.

I definitely don't agree with the behavior at the meeting, but how about being a little more proactive? Say, starting your own meetup empowering career oriented women (or empowering both sexes equally) instead of running to the Internet and spreading statements that just aren't true. I attend the SF Bitcoin Social Meetup all the time and women are encouraged to present and speak (and they do). I haven't seen any such behavior there so I am very curious as to where this all happened and why she took the approach that she did.
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January 26, 2014, 10:09:00 AM
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Her account is full of cartoonish generalizations (including the title). I find the whole posting highly suspicious...
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January 26, 2014, 04:22:17 PM
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I completely agree that those guys acted like imbecilic cavemen however, can you really blame a room full of mega nerds for not at all knowing how to treat a woman? Let alone expect them to have a clue how they think... Just my thoughts Smiley

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January 26, 2014, 05:54:54 PM
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If you don't want to get hit on, don't dress like a cock tease.

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January 26, 2014, 06:11:02 PM
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Not all meetups are the same; also, not every man is the same.

I don't have the effort to even join this debate right now; all I know is that I can sleep well knowing that I won't treat the new girl who has RSVPed to my meetup next month the same way.

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January 26, 2014, 08:23:30 PM
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This ^
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January 26, 2014, 08:26:47 PM
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I recently attended a holiday party for work (a non-bitcoin banking technology company), and was hit on by both men and women of different sexes.  I don't think you were hit on and practically groped because you are a woman.  It's more likely because you are super good looking. (I've never seen you, so I'm guessing based on the personal experience of being super good looking myself)

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January 26, 2014, 08:46:01 PM
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(I'm guessing based on the personal experience of being super good looking myself.)

Nice.

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January 27, 2014, 03:18:45 AM
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I thought this was in bitcoin discussion on second appearance I guess this is a press article
The article was quite unusual to say the least but to be honest I have attended bitcoin meetups and no girls have appeared so it does make sense that a general rule of etiquette should be applied, aside from that I do know that their are only a handful of girls in the Computer Science program major at our university and the majority are men so the lack of social graces of nerds around women may be a factor here.
And no I am not thinking of The Big Bang Theory
Still an interesting topic
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January 27, 2014, 07:22:03 AM
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Victim politics, political correctness, emotion, lies and misrepresentations.
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January 27, 2014, 09:17:01 AM
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If you don't want to get hit on, don't dress like a cock tease.
Agreed. Unless women dress like this, they are clearly begging for it:


Seriously, though, we're supposed to be living in the civilized part of the world. That includes not behaving like cavemen just because a woman wears a dress.
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January 27, 2014, 01:38:09 PM
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If you don't want to get hit on, don't dress like a cock tease.



Grow up, seriously. That attitude is insulting to both men and women.

I disagree with the author about the general attitude of the bitcoin meetups. I hope her experience was a localized one. Although I wonder why the author didn't either a) leave the meetup or b) stand up for her rights. Instead, the author choose not to fight back, which only reinforced their notion that this behavior is acceptable. And that's unfortunate for the next woman that shows up.
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January 27, 2014, 03:44:27 PM
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Grow up, seriously. That attitude is insulting to both men and women.

I disagree with the author about the general attitude of the bitcoin meetups. I hope her experience was a localized one. Although I wonder why the author didn't either a) leave the meetup or b) stand up for her rights. Instead, the author choose not to fight back, which only reinforced their notion that this behavior is acceptable. And that's unfortunate for the next woman that shows up.
Go read her web site.

She is a feminist and professional victim playing pop culture critic designing these scenarios so she has something to bitch about in an attempt to gain pity, sympathy, favors, freebies, special treatment and money. Hard to tell if it's a mental defect or if she's just a con woman.

Anita Sarkeesian did the same thing to the tune of $160 thousand re feminist video game commentary.
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January 28, 2014, 08:55:11 AM
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Most of you are terrible people.
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January 28, 2014, 11:13:01 AM
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Most of you are terrible people.

Most of people here are mens that when see nice lady start to think by their dicks.

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January 28, 2014, 05:12:15 PM
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Most of you are terrible people.

Most of people here are mens that when see nice lady start to think by their dicks.

Well at least this is the right demographic to ask lol
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January 28, 2014, 07:24:40 PM
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Ridicolous. Sex does not matter in bitcoin: we do not know the sex of satoshi and we use bitcoin, exactly because sex does not matter.

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