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January 28, 2014, 09:05:41 AM
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Hi guys,

I'm coming from iGaming industry and as you can see I'm quite new at this forum. I would love to hear your opinion about your experience good or bad with the Bitcoin casinos that you had so far.

1. Where do you like to play the most and why?
2. Which is your favourite casino game?
3. Do you think current casinos are missing something that you would love to see in the next casino?

Thanks for your answers.

Cheers!

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January 28, 2014, 11:16:30 AM
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Hi Nick,

I enjoy 777coin for their unique games and provably fair system.  Unfortunately their games, other than their most recently released slot due to it's bonus system, do not have much replayability.  Bit777 lacks a provably fair system, but they do have the best multihand blackjack game in my opinion.

I prefer slots for entertainment, and blackjack for gambling.

The current casinos all suffer from one of two problems: they're either lacking games, or too similar to each other.  The casinos with unique games like 777coin, bitcoinvideocasino, and bitzino do not seem to have very active development, so their games get stale.  Other casinos offering a large variety of games are using turnkey gaming solutions, and with only two reputable providers, their games also get stale, though it takes a little longer.  Bit777 has managed to be successful with a turnkey solution, though as far as I can tell, they're the only one using that particular provider's solution and they've managed to add new games through acquisitions and integrating other gaming packages from various providers.  There is one outlier, BC-Casino, with unique and fun games, but they've unfortunately seemed to have stopped adding new games and have lost relevance.  In the end, most people end up at dice sites like just-dice for their simplicity and house edge.

As you're coming from the iGaming industry, I'd suggest looking in to licensing games from a well known provider like IGT.  If you can create a site where people can play classic, familiar games like Frog Princess and Cleopatra, along with a good selection of table and card games, I think you'd easily attract the current bitcoin gambling community, as well as mainstream US gamblers looking to play the same games they can play in Vegas.  Going down this route has the potential to not only be very profitable, but also attract an entirely new segment of gamblers to bitcoin.
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January 28, 2014, 11:26:19 AM
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What Cwil Said....

Also from that perspective provably fair gaming truly is the only way to go although we do have several RNG casinos thank rank near the top. Provably fair gaming is the new gold standard for online gaming. I do want to mention a more reliable provably fair 2 verification system is coming to stores shortly.

While doing weekly runs I personally hit this just an hour ago at Bitzino Casino


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January 28, 2014, 01:41:08 PM
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Hi Nick,

I enjoy 777coin for their unique games and provably fair system.  Unfortunately their games, other than their most recently released slot due to it's bonus system, do not have much replayability.  Bit777 lacks a provably fair system, but they do have the best multihand blackjack game in my opinion.

I prefer slots for entertainment, and blackjack for gambling.

The current casinos all suffer from one of two problems: they're either lacking games, or too similar to each other.  The casinos with unique games like 777coin, bitcoinvideocasino, and bitzino do not seem to have very active development, so their games get stale.  Other casinos offering a large variety of games are using turnkey gaming solutions, and with only two reputable providers, their games also get stale, though it takes a little longer.  Bit777 has managed to be successful with a turnkey solution, though as far as I can tell, they're the only one using that particular provider's solution and they've managed to add new games through acquisitions and integrating other gaming packages from various providers.  There is one outlier, BC-Casino, with unique and fun games, but they've unfortunately seemed to have stopped adding new games and have lost relevance.  In the end, most people end up at dice sites like just-dice for their simplicity and house edge.

As you're coming from the iGaming industry, I'd suggest looking in to licensing games from a well known provider like IGT.  If you can create a site where people can play classic, familiar games like Frog Princess and Cleopatra, along with a good selection of table and card games, I think you'd easily attract the current bitcoin gambling community, as well as mainstream US gamblers looking to play the same games they can play in Vegas.  Going down this route has the potential to not only be very profitable, but also attract an entirely new segment of gamblers to bitcoin.

Hi Cwil!

Thanks for your reply. I tried to try the 777coin.com but they seem to have some technical issues as the page didn't load. Bit777 does seem to be interesting option but they truly lack a bit at the good slot content. Also I did't see the provably fair system as for example on bitzino. I have checked BC-Casino. To be fair I am 99% sure that they are running illegal copy of Playtech slots. As far as I remember there used to be a big affair about that. There is also an illegal copy of Novomatic slots in the wild as fair as I was informed. I believe on the last gaming exhibition one company even came to present their "slot machines" with such illegal copies and they were removed from the exhibition the first day and the whole booth was shut down. But yeah, getting some good content providers on the Bitcoin wagon seems to be crucial as the current solutions are just ok.

How about bitcoincasino24.com. They seem to have legit games, though I have not seen the provability checkmark.

I have seen that bitooomba casino is also very aggressive with offering a deposit bonus and up to 30% affiliate rates. I wonder how this works and how many people actually abuse this as there is no ID checks.

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January 28, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
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What Cwil Said....

Also from that perspective provably fair gaming truly is the only way to go although we do have several RNG casinos thank rank near the top. Provably fair gaming is the new gold standard for online gaming. I do want to mention a more reliable provably fair 2 verification system is coming to stores shortly.

While doing weekly runs I personally hit this just an hour ago at Bitzino Casino

http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/bitzino-4-deuces-poker1.jpg

I see your favourite casino is BitZino then according to this post? Wink I guess you must be running the bitcoincasinopro review page. Seems like a good entry for a newbie like me to discover the space:) How about promotions? I do not really see many casinos offering any deposit bonuses. Is this because there is an issue of abusing them? In the end the margins running your own games should be quite high so giving something on top should not be an issue.

Do you think provability is really so important and why the iGaming industry did not implement it yet?

To be honest I was trying to understand how it works on BitZino and there is no way I am able to prove the result with my knowledge - I get stucked with Marseene Twist ... . To me it seems like a good advertisement point but I fear for an ordinary Joe like me that would be too sophisticated to crack down and actually prove it manually.

Is provability important just for casinos that are running software from 3d party providers that are not very well known or casinos that are not really licensed to protect against scammers maybe?

I am not so sure that a normal casino player fear when playing a game from NET ENT or Playtech that they are actually tweaking their RNG? In the end most of the big casinos out there in the iGaming industry are either using Microgaming, Playtech or Netent and some others smaller providers. Games run on their servers for multiple operators so they have a huge reputation to loose if they would set up the games manually.
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January 28, 2014, 02:53:05 PM
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Not really a big gambler but I like to play the dice on Primedice. They only have that one game but I think new games are coming next month though.
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January 28, 2014, 03:17:30 PM
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Anything provable fair I support

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January 28, 2014, 03:18:10 PM
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777coin has unfortunately been down for almost a day now.  I would recommend checking in on them in a day or so, as their games are pretty unique.  Bit777's lack of slots is due to an unresolved problem with their video slot software.  I'd refer you to them for more details about the issue.

bitcoincasino24.com is certainly a good site at least in that I can confirm they pay out.  I've personally won non-trivial amounts that were paid.  They are running a popular turnkey solution, see: casino.betcoin.tm.  A few others have popped up using that same software, but I don't recall their names.  Their software is not provably fair, but probably fair.

In regards to BC-Casino, they either have developer support or at least an in house developer.  I discovered a very specific exploit in some of their games that was fixed rather quickly.  In any case, they're not utilizing that developer to create new games, which is unfortunate.

Bitoomba certainly has some unique games.  In the past I've received payouts from them, and I've also not received a large payout of ~6 BTC from them.  They're flaky at best, and their software is pretty buggy.  They do seem to be putting out new content periodically.

About provable fairness, I think it's important to a certain group of people.  A lot of people in the bitcoin community are IT professionals or otherwise possess a keen mathematical sense.  We understand how easy it would be for a site not bound by the regulations of a brick and mortar casino to rig their games, so the logic behind a provable fairness system eases allows us to ease that fear.  Additionally, a certain joy can be had seeing such a system in place and working.  I would, however, argue the majority of your target audience, gamblers in general, do not possess the ability or interest to understand such a system, and fun game play is more important.  I think that it should be sufficient to have your software audited by an ISO 9001 compliant lab in lieu of provable fairness, and to be transparent about how your software arrives at any given outcome given your RNG's input.  Basically, the bitcoin gambling community invented a solution to a problem that the corporate world was unwilling to provide.  If it was not so prohibitively expensive to have software audited, there likely would not have been a need to invent the provably fair system.

As far as bonuses and such go, I think they're only good if your target audience will be interested in them.  Bitzino has been around for a relatively long time, and was geared towards bitcoin enthusiasts.  I'd argue that this group's reaction to the typical online casino bonus would range from a simple lack of interest to outright offense.  The rollover requirements generally make them a bad deal for the player, and bitcoin enthusiasts probably have the math and logic skills to understand that.  These days, your interest should be focused on gamblers in general, and they're a much more impulsive bunch.

I would personally rather see offerings from IGT or WMS than Microgaming.  That being said, a Microgaming bitcoin casino would still be welcome.  I suppose it comes down to whether or not you want to be moderately successful, or best in class.  Either is fine, but if you give me the ability to play DaVinci Diamonds with bitcoin, I'll be your first customer.
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January 28, 2014, 07:22:17 PM
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I have to say that I am an avid gambler and though I like the software provided by bitcoincasino24.com and http://casino.betcoin.tm, my favorite place to play is www.BetcoinCasino.com.  Their slot gameplay is almost like playing a video game and their payouts have been quick.  I prefer advanced games and graphics and multi-table setups which I am able to achieve there.  I am certainly always open to other places to play, but for now BetcoinCasino.com is my place and I would highly recommend it. 
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January 28, 2014, 11:38:41 PM
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Bitoomba certainly has some unique games.  In the past I've received payouts from them, and I've also not received a large payout of ~6 BTC from them.  They're flaky at best, and their software is pretty buggy.  They do seem to be putting out new content periodically.


Hello cwil,

When did you not receive a payout of 6 BTC from Bitoomba?

And why would you say our software is "pretty buggy"?

We are constantly adding new games having 8 different slots, provably fair blackjack, baccarat roulette and dice with Video poker coming soon i think it's safe to say we have definitely improved in the last few months and getting even better...


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January 28, 2014, 11:48:11 PM
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http://just-dice.com is by far my favorite casino becuase of the provable fairness, the low house edge, and the option to invest. After that, i'd put any website that has a fun game with the gambling, instead of just gambling to lose money.

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Hello cwil,

When did you not receive a payout of 6 BTC from Bitoomba?

And why would you say our software is "pretty buggy"?

We are constantly adding new games having 8 different slots, provably fair blackjack, baccarat roulette and dice with Video poker coming soon i think it's safe to say we have definitely improved in the last few months and getting even better...

This must have been one or two months ago, I won a large amount on I believe your dino cash game and when I went to withdraw it said displayed an error message similar to "[Object object]."  I believe this had to do with your hot wallet lacking funds.  Assuming that problem is fixed, I had no other issues with your casino and the games were unique and fun as I remember them.
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January 29, 2014, 12:44:43 AM
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Bit777 is my favourite.......
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January 29, 2014, 12:56:37 AM
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I do not really see many casinos offering any deposit bonuses

Provably fair casinos would go bankrupt if they would offer a bonus without some sort of exorbitant rollover requirement. Reason so, they are FAIR which is the keyword here. Companies that offer 200% cash bonuses for casino games clearly run a rigged house and should be avoided. Just take a look at the threads here this week, it's pretty clear who offers honest games and who does not.

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January 29, 2014, 01:23:21 AM
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Hello cwil,

When did you not receive a payout of 6 BTC from Bitoomba?

And why would you say our software is "pretty buggy"?

We are constantly adding new games having 8 different slots, provably fair blackjack, baccarat roulette and dice with Video poker coming soon i think it's safe to say we have definitely improved in the last few months and getting even better...

This must have been one or two months ago, I won a large amount on I believe your dino cash game and when I went to withdraw it said displayed an error message similar to "[Object object]."  I believe this had to do with your hot wallet lacking funds.  Assuming that problem is fixed, I had no other issues with your casino and the games were unique and fun as I remember them.

Thanks for the kind words about our games and casino.

We did have some big wins in Dino Gold in the past 2 months and we have also had an 11BTC win in The Pirates this month but we have not had any payout issues (that we are aware of) furthermore it is not likely at all that our hot wallet was lacking funds.

Did you contact our support team regarding this issue? Can you send me your username in a PM so i can investigate?


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January 29, 2014, 01:54:01 AM
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Hi guys,

I'm coming from iGaming industry and as you can see I'm quite new at this forum. I would love to hear your opinion about your experience good or bad with the Bitcoin casinos that you had so far.
Are you looking at it as a player or an actor?

1. Where do you like to play the most and why?
I think I will play the most at verajohn.com, since they have the highest quality of games, nice level system and so on. They claim to be "the first old" online casino that takes bitcoin.

2. Which is your favourite casino game?
Mega Fortune. Not really a bitcoin game but since I can now play it for bitcoin, I can win the huge jackpot.

3. Do you think current casinos are missing something that you would love to see in the next casino?
Well again, there's only the verajohn casino that has the high quality games that you should be used to from your iGaming background.

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BitcoinReviewer.com has a list of reviews for popular gambling sites, as well as ratings from real players.
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January 29, 2014, 05:08:04 AM
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I dislike them all because they all provably take your money  Cool
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Provably fair casinos would go bankrupt if they would offer a bonus without some sort of exorbitant rollover requirement. Reason so, they are FAIR which is the keyword here. Companies that offer 200% cash bonuses for casino games clearly run a rigged house and should be avoided. Just take a look at the threads here this week, it's pretty clear who offers honest games and who does not.

This is the most misleading statement I've read in recent days. I am surprised it comes from such a renown casino professional. Casino bonuses are industry standard, and they should and must be offered by any casino that wants to keep their players or attract new ones. Both online and land-based. The fact that some of the provably fair casinos are not offering such means that their owners are not very experienced in the gambling industry nor in marketing it. 
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Provably fair casinos would go bankrupt if they would offer a bonus without some sort of exorbitant rollover requirement. Reason so, they are FAIR which is the keyword here. Companies that offer 200% cash bonuses for casino games clearly run a rigged house and should be avoided. Just take a look at the threads here this week, it's pretty clear who offers honest games and who does not.

This is the most misleading statement I've read in recent days. I am surprised it comes from such a renown casino professional. Casino bonuses are industry standard, and they should and must be offered by any casino that wants to keep their players or attract new ones. Both online and land-based. The fact that some of the provably fair casinos are not offering such means that their owners are not very experienced in the gambling industry nor in marketing it.  

Casino bonuses are only industry standard for RNG casinos, the ones that "fix games" or in a better term set a guaranteed casino percentage profit. And unlike most RNG software, provably fair casinos each hand or game is not a guarantee for the casino and the outcome is truly random. Long term success statistically is impossible for a provably fair casino offering bonuses without a huge rollover. I can only think of one provably fair casino that offers a bonus,they are also stiffing players as we speak. That statement was accurate


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