MarioRamirez (OP)
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January 29, 2014, 08:06:03 PM |
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Some Tried to PayPal scam me
i am new
so when paypal sent me email about reversal i sent an email to paypal saying it was for a digital file and the proof of purchase was the email i sen to client.
i sent an email to the email paid to me on paypal with a photograph and thank them for the purchase.
Will send copy to paypal if needed
will this be enough to cancel the dispute ?
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jonanon
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January 29, 2014, 08:38:46 PM |
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PayPal are very unlikely to find in your favour unfortunately (hence why a lot of people don't like to use PayPal). Good luck though  |
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January 29, 2014, 08:41:15 PM |
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Some Tried to PayPal scam me
i am new
so when paypal sent me email about reversal i sent an email to paypal saying it was for a digital file and the proof of purchase was the email i sen to client.
i sent an email to the email paid to me on paypal with a photograph and thank them for the purchase.
Will send copy to paypal if needed
will this be enough to cancel the dispute ?
You may not have a leg to stand on. |
When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this:
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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SardonicJester
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January 29, 2014, 08:50:35 PM |
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Nope. Your money is gone.
Paypal states clearly in their user agreement that they do not provide seller protection for digital goods.
11.3 Eligibility Requirements.
To be eligible for PayPal Seller protection, you must meet all of the basic requirements listed below under (a) Basic Requirements. To be covered for Item Not Received protection, you must meet both the Basic Requirements and the Item Not Received Additional Requirements listed below under (b). To be covered for Unauthorized Transaction protection, you must meet both the Basic Requirements and the Unauthorized Transactions Additional Requirements listed below under (c).
Basic Requirements:
You must ship the item to the shipping address on the Transaction Details Page.
You must respond to PayPal's requests for documentation and other information in a timely manner.
The item must be a physical, tangible good that can be shipped.
Your primary residence, as listed in your Account, must be in the United States.
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RobTJoneS
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January 30, 2014, 01:11:49 AM |
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Nope. Your money is gone.
Paypal states clearly in their user agreement that they do not provide seller protection for digital goods.
11.3 Eligibility Requirements.
To be eligible for PayPal Seller protection, you must meet all of the basic requirements listed below under (a) Basic Requirements. To be covered for Item Not Received protection, you must meet both the Basic Requirements and the Item Not Received Additional Requirements listed below under (b). To be covered for Unauthorized Transaction protection, you must meet both the Basic Requirements and the Unauthorized Transactions Additional Requirements listed below under (c).
Basic Requirements:
You must ship the item to the shipping address on the Transaction Details Page.
You must respond to PayPal's requests for documentation and other information in a timely manner.
The item must be a physical, tangible good that can be shipped.
Your primary residence, as listed in your Account, must be in the United States.
Yes do be very careful of paypal that is why I do not keep much money in my paypal account they can freeze your account when they want. |
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January 30, 2014, 09:36:49 AM |
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As soon as you say digital item you are screwed because you arent protected by their buyer/seller policies
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January 30, 2014, 10:04:47 AM |
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Paypal is dreadful at virtual goods, even if they send it as a gift you can lose out. Skrill works well for virtual goods from my experience.
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jcoin200
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January 30, 2014, 06:44:40 PM |
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PayPal wouldnt even side with me for a Paper wallet that WAS physically delivered. Be careful, they dont like to stray from their policies.
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hilariousandco
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January 31, 2014, 01:11:06 PM |
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PayPal wouldnt even side with me for a Paper wallet that WAS physically delivered. Be careful, they dont like to stray from their policies.
Wow, really? Did you provide proof of postage? |
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jcoin200
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January 31, 2014, 01:20:01 PM |
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PayPal wouldnt even side with me for a Paper wallet that WAS physically delivered. Be careful, they dont like to stray from their policies.
Wow, really? Did you provide proof of postage? Didn't you get scammed by Trickett on eBay too? I bought the item, but the seller tried to claim it was a digital item, even though it was physically delivered. PayPal said since the balance of the paper wallet is digital, that they were not going to cover it. So beware. |
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hilariousandco
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January 31, 2014, 01:41:27 PM |
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PayPal wouldnt even side with me for a Paper wallet that WAS physically delivered. Be careful, they dont like to stray from their policies.
Wow, really? Did you provide proof of postage? Didn't you get scammed by Trickett on eBay too? I bought the item, but the seller tried to claim it was a digital item, even though it was physically delivered. PayPal said since the balance of the paper wallet is digital, that they were not going to cover it. So beware. I haven't been scammed by anyone. How did you get scammed on something? You bought a paper wallet with nothing on it? |
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m4rkiz
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January 31, 2014, 07:27:44 PM |
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Some Tried to PayPal scam me
i am new
so when paypal sent me email about reversal i sent an email to paypal saying it was for a digital file and the proof of purchase was the email i sen to client.
i sent an email to the email paid to me on paypal with a photograph and thank them for the purchase.
Will send copy to paypal if needed
will this be enough to cancel the dispute ?
hardly any chance - even if reversal was due to undelivered item (because if it was due to unauthorized use of account you can forget it) there is virtually no chance that they will take your side paypal should never be used when dealing with bitcoins - my lesson cost me a bit over €500  |
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January 31, 2014, 09:28:10 PM |
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You have to buy something solid, if you buy from a seller that states your are buying say a photo image of a wallet and get free coins in the transaction then your covered.
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Sonny
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February 01, 2014, 03:07:08 PM |
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The second you mention "digital file", you lose in that dispute....
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February 02, 2014, 04:32:23 AM |
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Reading between the lines, are you saying that a buyer is pretty safe buying (say) Bitcoins on ebay and paying through PayPal?
I get the thread that the seller is not protected very well if a BUYER trys a scam, but it sounds like a BUYER has some recourse.
Any comments from any experienced people?
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hilariousandco
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February 02, 2014, 11:48:55 AM |
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Reading between the lines, are you saying that a buyer is pretty safe buying (say) Bitcoins on ebay and paying through PayPal?
I get the thread that the seller is not protected very well if a BUYER trys a scam, but it sounds like a BUYER has some recourse.
Any comments from any experienced people?
It's perfectly fine and safe for buyers, just not sellers. That's why scammers use it. |
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jcoin200
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February 02, 2014, 01:08:21 PM |
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It's perfectly fine and safe for buyers, just not sellers. That's why scammers use it.
I would not go as far to say its "perfectly fine for buyers". Like I said above, I was scammed on the buying end, and as soon as PayPal heard mention of the balance of the paper wallet being in question, they did not want to deal with the case. Nothing with PayPal is 100%, for selling or buying |
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February 02, 2014, 03:31:32 PM |
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It's perfectly fine and safe for buyers, just not sellers. That's why scammers use it.
I would not go as far to say its "perfectly fine for buyers". Like I said above, I was scammed on the buying end, and as soon as PayPal heard mention of the balance of the paper wallet being in question, they did not want to deal with the case. Nothing with PayPal is 100%, for selling or buying How did you get scammed? Was there no coins on the wallet? |
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jcoin200
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February 02, 2014, 04:29:08 PM |
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It's perfectly fine and safe for buyers, just not sellers. That's why scammers use it.
I would not go as far to say its "perfectly fine for buyers". Like I said above, I was scammed on the buying end, and as soon as PayPal heard mention of the balance of the paper wallet being in question, they did not want to deal with the case. Nothing with PayPal is 100%, for selling or buying How did you get scammed? Was there no coins on the wallet? Yeah it was on eBay, and advertised to have 1 BTC. The listing said "no returns" so as soon as PayPal heard it had anything to do with a digital item, they said the sale is final we can't force the seller to accept a return. The seller was a real dirt bag. I think the only reason I was eventually successful with my second cc charge back is because he had scammed a bunch of people So he had a red flag on his account. So I'm just saying beware when using PayPal for buying or selling. |
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February 02, 2014, 04:52:51 PM |
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It's perfectly fine and safe for buyers, just not sellers. That's why scammers use it.
I would not go as far to say its "perfectly fine for buyers". Like I said above, I was scammed on the buying end, and as soon as PayPal heard mention of the balance of the paper wallet being in question, they did not want to deal with the case. Nothing with PayPal is 100%, for selling or buying How did you get scammed? Was there no coins on the wallet? Yeah it was on eBay, and advertised to have 1 BTC. The listing said "no returns" so as soon as PayPal heard it had anything to do with a digital item, they said the sale is final we can't force the seller to accept a return. The seller was a real dirt bag. I think the only reason I was eventually successful with my second cc charge back is because he had scammed a bunch of people So he had a red flag on his account. So I'm just saying beware when using PayPal for buying or selling. Did it definitely say it had 1BTC funded on it and not just a 1BTC paper wallet? But yeah, people are deceptive and will do what they can to scam. Shame. |
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February 06, 2014, 06:22:34 AM |
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It's perfectly fine and safe for buyers, just not sellers. That's why scammers use it.
I would not go as far to say its "perfectly fine for buyers". Like I said above, I was scammed on the buying end, and as soon as PayPal heard mention of the balance of the paper wallet being in question, they did not want to deal with the case. Nothing with PayPal is 100%, for selling or buying How did you get scammed? Was there no coins on the wallet? Yeah it was on eBay, and advertised to have 1 BTC. The listing said "no returns" so as soon as PayPal heard it had anything to do with a digital item, they said the sale is final we can't force the seller to accept a return. The seller was a real dirt bag. I think the only reason I was eventually successful with my second cc charge back is because he had scammed a bunch of people So he had a red flag on his account. So I'm just saying beware when using PayPal for buying or selling. Did it definitely say it had 1BTC funded on it and not just a 1BTC paper wallet? But yeah, people are deceptive and will do what they can to scam. Shame. Mostly. These same people will scam in their turn. |
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jcoin200
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February 06, 2014, 01:23:11 PM |
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It's perfectly fine and safe for buyers, just not sellers. That's why scammers use it.
I would not go as far to say its "perfectly fine for buyers". Like I said above, I was scammed on the buying end, and as soon as PayPal heard mention of the balance of the paper wallet being in question, they did not want to deal with the case. Nothing with PayPal is 100%, for selling or buying How did you get scammed? Was there no coins on the wallet? Yeah it was on eBay, and advertised to have 1 BTC. The listing said "no returns" so as soon as PayPal heard it had anything to do with a digital item, they said the sale is final we can't force the seller to accept a return. The seller was a real dirt bag. I think the only reason I was eventually successful with my second cc charge back is because he had scammed a bunch of people So he had a red flag on his account. So I'm just saying beware when using PayPal for buying or selling. Did it definitely say it had 1BTC funded on it and not just a 1BTC paper wallet? But yeah, people are deceptive and will do what they can to scam. Shame. Yes obviously it said 1 BTC included, I didn't just blindly but the thing:  |
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February 06, 2014, 01:36:34 PM |
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Yes obviously it said 1 BTC included, I didn't just blindly but the thing: A lot of people do just blindly fall for it though without reading the listings, but obviously this guy was just a scammer. I think other people were scammed by this seller on here as well. Seem to remember seeing that listing. |
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jcoin200
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February 06, 2014, 02:20:35 PM |
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Yeah a bunch of others were and most got their money back. Some accidentally filed their eBay dispute before recieving the package (because they saw the negative feedbacks coming in) and didn't get their money back. PayPal would not side with them. I even followed the dispute process and they wouldnt side with me, until I did a 2nd cc chargeback, and they gave up defending the seller.
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February 06, 2014, 02:30:49 PM |
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Yeah fuck Fleabay, I've lost a lot of money on there due to chargebacks. As soon as a decent alternative comes along they'll be destroyed.
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February 06, 2014, 03:42:31 PM |
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Paypal doesn't protect sellers. When i still used ebay and paypal i got scammed by some douchbags. I've sent everything as "signed for" and had proof and everything ( the items had arrived and have been signed for) The items were highly collectible toys. So providing every kind of proof doenst mean nothing to these paypal scammers. Buyers are protected, sellers aren't. and you cant do a damn thing about it even when you have proof up the whazoo. That is why i NEVER EVER use paypal OR ebay.
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February 20, 2014, 11:52:56 PM |
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I lost $1k due to Paypal 'unauthorized charge' reversal. I showed 10 lines of evidence (10 attachments) for every transaction and lost every single dispute.
I contacted 8 other sellers based on ebay feedback and all 8 confirmed the same story from the same buyer. Yet Paypal still won't support the seller's. We all got screwed. Stay away from Paypal and Ebay. It's a total nightmare, and even getting your ebay seller fees returned is a nightmare because when they Buy it Now with Paypal it's marked as a paid auction.
That was just one buyer. I have a few other disputes pending from other fraudulent buyers. Lesson learned. Avoid ebay/paypal at all costs. To think I've been a fan and avid user since the beginning... just didn't realize how bad it was as a SELLER.
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Bitcoin_Mafia
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February 20, 2014, 11:59:03 PM |
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Some Tried to PayPal scam me
i am new
so when paypal sent me email about reversal i sent an email to paypal saying it was for a digital file and the proof of purchase was the email i sen to client.
i sent an email to the email paid to me on paypal with a photograph and thank them for the purchase.
Will send copy to paypal if needed
will this be enough to cancel the dispute ?
Nope. You are going to get screwed. It happened to me TWICE. In both instances I'd sold 0.1 BTC and had separate emails from the buyer (from the buyer's PayPal email address) acknowledging their intent to buy BTC and their intent to pay via PayPal as well as acknowledging receipt of the Bitcoin. I sent PayPal screenshots as well as the blockchain info and I still got screwed. THEN my account got frozen until I signed some kind of agreement not to buy / sell digital currency using PayPal anymore. I hate PayPal. If I didn't need their service for other stuff, I'd cancel my account. Been with 'em for over 6 years, never a complaint against me and they don't even LOOK at my proof. Grrrrrrr... |
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February 21, 2014, 05:36:32 AM |
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Some Tried to PayPal scam me
i am new
so when paypal sent me email about reversal i sent an email to paypal saying it was for a digital file and the proof of purchase was the email i sen to client.
i sent an email to the email paid to me on paypal with a photograph and thank them for the purchase.
Will send copy to paypal if needed
will this be enough to cancel the dispute ?
Nope. You are going to get screwed. It happened to me TWICE. In both instances I'd sold 0.1 BTC and had separate emails from the buyer (from the buyer's PayPal email address) acknowledging their intent to buy BTC and their intent to pay via PayPal as well as acknowledging receipt of the Bitcoin. I sent PayPal screenshots as well as the blockchain info and I still got screwed. THEN my account got frozen until I signed some kind of agreement not to buy / sell digital currency using PayPal anymore. I hate PayPal. If I didn't need their service for other stuff, I'd cancel my account. Been with 'em for over 6 years, never a complaint against me and they don't even LOOK at my proof. Grrrrrrr... I've been w/ pp and eBag for over 12 years and would leave today if there was better options. |
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February 21, 2014, 05:39:12 AM |
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Some Tried to PayPal scam me
i am new
so when paypal sent me email about reversal i sent an email to paypal saying it was for a digital file and the proof of purchase was the email i sen to client.
i sent an email to the email paid to me on paypal with a photograph and thank them for the purchase.
Will send copy to paypal if needed
will this be enough to cancel the dispute ?
no you as seller no change to win unless covered protection policy. thats why we love Bitcoin |
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