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July 24, 2018, 08:21:52 PM |
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This fellow is truly hilarious, because I can say that the community knows too well that this project is not a scam. How then are they able to make payments even during its crowdfunding?
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enigmatical
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July 24, 2018, 08:27:45 PM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzUZRpQ9.jpg&t=665&c=ev7x4KE7diZySQ) This photograph clearly shows Luca in the middle, now compare this to the image you claim is Luca or better look at it from the links you posted.
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July 24, 2018, 08:36:09 PM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FzUZRpQ9.jpg&t=665&c=ev7x4KE7diZySQ) This photograph clearly shows Luca in the middle, now compare this to the image you claim is Luca or better look at it from the links you posted. Thanks for posting this evidence here which shows the co-founder Luca Puppi with some people interested in the "Togacoin" project who came visiting in the research and development office in Tenerife.
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July 24, 2018, 08:36:39 PM |
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Before one accuses another of been a scam, the accuser have to carry out a diligent investigation and be very accurate with his/her findings before concluding. I will suggest, you follow what Eldest adviced.
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July 24, 2018, 08:45:00 PM |
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Apart from these photos which is clearly evident that there are different people entirely from the other pictures, we know the team is very real and genuine. Icoguy you are yet to show proof of people who have been scammed
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July 24, 2018, 08:51:07 PM |
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This fellow is truly hilarious, because I can say that the community knows too well that this project is not a scam. How then are they able to make payments even during its crowdfunding?
I am wondering how he arrived at this his accusations. Has anyone complained of not receiving payment form the crowdfunding as promised by the team?
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July 24, 2018, 08:53:13 PM |
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This fellow is truly hilarious, because I can say that the community knows too well that this project is not a scam. How then are they able to make payments even during its crowdfunding?
I am wondering how he arrived at this his accusations. Has anyone complained of not receiving payment form the crowdfunding as promised by the team? No this user has a questionable account which should be reported and given a negative trust, for trying to derail this thread and make a ridicule of this project.
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ICOEthics
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July 24, 2018, 08:56:58 PM |
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Hello TogaCoin Team - you can check our real identity on linkedin using our official links on th the website
Due to many FAKE accounts LINKEDIN is no longer a verifiable source. Liink to your page: IT says on top: “BETAThis is a trial service ….” Anyone can register and get approved within 24 hours, pay registration fee. Pay and get listed right? ICOHolder has also verified many ICOS that is a scam, so they CANT be trusted either.. Here just a few: https://icoholder.com/en/uchit-ico-19280https://icoholder.com/en/equiten-23545https://icoholder.com/en/transtoken-23048https://icoholder.com/en/betlycoin-ico-22990 https://icoholder.com/en/gigahash-miner-21434https://icoholder.com/en/lexzoom-22613- our ROI calculation is done using public tools you can easily use, finding informations on our whitepaper.
Yes, we read your whitepaper. Maybe your tool is broken. +800% ROI? Now, let's talk about the infos you published:
As you see we have caught many scammers using fake pictures of team, etc. We don’t make false claims or accusations, those accusations are sent to us by possible investors and/or members of the crypto community.. And we help to validate them. Photos can be easily manipulated on Photoshop. Easy to make a person bold or put blue eyes and change the ear shape, off course people wouldn’t see the same. But the hard now is to bring that person to life and provide a valid evidence of that person existence. - it is clearly visible that people in the pictures are not the same people and your research has been made using an approssimative face tracker program
‘ clear visible” maybe to you, obviously some members of the community or possible investors are not seeing as the same person, otherwise, they would not have reported to us. Make it easy for all of us now and submit the rest of your team pictures. You can also submit the ORIGINAL photos used of your entire team, high resolution so friends in the community – Photoshop experts and photo forensic analysts, can take a look at them. FOR THIS REASON: - We are going to report you to a moderator.
Why all this hate? We are asking valid questions and you are acting exactly like a scammer do when they are caught. The other ICOS that we identified as SCAM posted similar accusations, threats, including wanting to know where I lived, etc. And then later, they removed photos, deleted pages, etc.. the list goes on and on. We are not here to put down a legitimate ICO, but to point out flags that are associated with scams. You are more than welcome to report to moderator. We don’t work for Bitcointalk Forum, we are helping to protect the community in general against ICO scams. We make a call and if Bitcointalk forum moderators decide to eliminate our post, we will post somewhere else, including on our website. To us what is matter is to keep the community informed and aware of scam and possible scams. Pictures of your team raised concerns to the public if you don’t want to provide evidence it is up to you. People don’t need to click the links. The links are there just for sources in case someone wants to verify the image. Since you posted your picture, go ahead and post the rest of your team as well. Thank you!
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July 24, 2018, 09:01:36 PM Last edit: July 24, 2018, 09:21:21 PM by DonPea |
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Hello TogaCoin Team - you can check our real identity on linkedin using our official links on th the website
Due to many FAKE accounts LINKEDIN is no longer a verifiable source. Liink to your page: IT says on top: “BETAThis is a trial service ….” Anyone can register and get approved within 24 hours, pay registration fee. Pay and get listed right? ICOHolder has also verified many ICOS that is a scam, so they CANT be trusted either.. Here just a few: https://icoholder.com/en/uchit-ico-19280https://icoholder.com/en/equiten-23545https://icoholder.com/en/transtoken-23048https://icoholder.com/en/betlycoin-ico-22990 https://icoholder.com/en/gigahash-miner-21434https://icoholder.com/en/lexzoom-22613- our ROI calculation is done using public tools you can easily use, finding informations on our whitepaper.
Yes, we read your whitepaper. Maybe your tool is broken. +800% ROI? Now, let's talk about the infos you published:
As you see we have caught many scammers using fake pictures of team, etc. We don’t make false claims or accusations, those accusations are sent to us by possible investors and/or members of the crypto community.. And we help to validate them. Photos can be easily manipulated on Photoshop. Easy to make a person bold or put blue eyes and change the ear shape, off course people wouldn’t see the same. But the hard now is to bring that person to life and provide a valid evidence of that person existence. - it is clearly visible that people in the pictures are not the same people and your research has been made using an approssimative face tracker program
‘ clear visible” maybe to you, obviously some members of the community or possible investors are not seeing as the same person, otherwise, they would not have reported to us. Make it easy for all of us now and submit the rest of your team pictures. You can also submit the ORIGINAL photos used of your entire team, high resolution so friends in the community – Photoshop experts and photo forensic analysts, can take a look at them. FOR THIS REASON: - We are going to report you to a moderator.
Why all this hate? We are asking valid questions and you are acting exactly like a scammer do when they are caught. The other ICOS that we identified as SCAM posted similar accusations, threats, including wanting to know where I lived, etc. And then later, they removed photos, deleted pages, etc.. the list goes on and on. We are not here to put down a legitimate ICO, but to point out flags that are associated with scams. You are more than welcome to report to moderator. We don’t work for Bitcointalk Forum, we are helping to protect the community in general against ICO scams. We make a call and if Bitcointalk forum moderators decide to eliminate our post, we will post somewhere else, including on our website. To us what is matter is to keep the community informed and aware of scam and possible scams. Pictures of your team raised concerns to the public if you don’t want to provide evidence it is up to you. People don’t need to click the links. The links are there just for sources in case someone wants to verify the image. Since you posted your picture, go ahead and post the rest of your team as well. Thank you! A photo of Luca with some friends was posted some minutes ago, I am marvelled you still can't see the difference between him and the picture which you claimed was the original Luca (Teemu Torvelainen)? Are you saying that was doctored too?? Can't you see for yourself or are you blind??
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July 24, 2018, 09:08:45 PM |
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I really don't see your point of argument because it is baseless. Imagine looking closely at Cristian Valbonesi and Alex Vieira, both are different people, as Alex has an Oval face while Cristian has a round face. That's one of many discrepancies showing these completely different persons.
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ICOEthics
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July 24, 2018, 09:17:31 PM |
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A photo of Luca with some friends was posted some minutes ago, I am marvelled you still can't see the difference between him and the picture which you claimed was the original Luca (Terminated)? Are you saying that was doctored too?? Can't you see for yourself or are you blind??
The photos are side by side, i didnt read any word about real or fake on them, did you? waiting for images of the 3 other questionable members.....
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July 24, 2018, 09:26:51 PM |
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A photo of Luca with some friends was posted some minutes ago, I am marvelled you still can't see the difference between him and the picture which you claimed was the original Luca (Terminated)? Are you saying that was doctored too?? Can't you see for yourself or are you blind??
The photos are side by side, i didnt read any word about real or fake on them, did you? waiting for images of the 3 other questionable members..... Well what's the essence of this entire post you made about scam accusations which has caused an uproar of your reasoning abilities. However, while we are waiting on this, maybe you should dig out more photos that look same as the other 3 member because I don't see the 3comparism of photos being the same individuals rather they are just resemblances
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July 24, 2018, 09:36:26 PM |
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good idea, hope in the future can run according to the planned. Good luck fellows!
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July 24, 2018, 11:12:21 PM Last edit: July 24, 2018, 11:35:33 PM by ICOEthics |
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Quite a couple of people have asked questions about the team behind this project, and just recently photos of the founder alongside other team members was posted on the telegram showing their mining room in Tenerife.
Yes I saw that picture, from which I saw that the mining room is actually a private pool owned by Togacoin founders. The pictures of the team in the mining room it is very deceiving from the ones they are presenting on the internet. Just a few rigs on a plastic table completely different of what is on their web page. Are they in Egland, Italy, Spain? Anyway, ask them to provide a SOC report. Those images with a floating logo in the air looks interesting and suspicious.
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July 25, 2018, 12:24:10 AM |
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Hi, fellows. Hope you find enough resources to cultivate your business. Rational design, extraordinary results, pretty good job!
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July 25, 2018, 12:36:01 AM |
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The people exposed in these photographs are not the same, according to me. They have similarities, some are also marked, but does not same people. The only thing they really have in common is the bald headed ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Your post is irrelevant as you have a definite conflict of interest.
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July 25, 2018, 09:12:18 AM |
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Quite a couple of people have asked questions about the team behind this project, and just recently photos of the founder alongside other team members was posted on the telegram showing their mining room in Tenerife.
Yes I saw that picture, from which I saw that the mining room is actually a private pool owned by Togacoin founders. The pictures of the team in the mining room it is very deceiving from the ones they are presenting on the internet. Just a few rigs on a plastic table completely different of what is on their web page. Are they in Egland, Italy, Spain? Anyway, ask them to provide a SOC report. Those images with a floating logo in the air looks interesting and suspicious. Do your findings properly before spewing rubbish because it is obvious you have barely followed details on this project from inception. The mining activities are already operational thanks to a mining room owned by the founders. The first community equipment will be purchased when the softcap is reached, in terms of the ROI go through the website to see the project intends to diversify in other activities apart from mining.
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July 25, 2018, 09:23:41 AM |
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Yes, we read your whitepaper. Maybe your tool is broken. +800% ROI?
Togacoin's aim is to diversify invesments in order to make business safer. That's why they are not only going to focus on mining exclusively, but also energy resale, app development and hosting/housing. You can read more about it in our whitepaper here https://togacoin.com/whitepaper.pdf Which also clearly states that mining hardware would be purchased when softcap is reached but the founders own their small mining room where they currently mine from, the picture says it all. Weekly payouts are made possible through the proprietary mining farm of the founders, so the entire system is transparent.
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July 25, 2018, 09:33:19 AM |
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I am yet to see the basis for ICOethics assumption of scam from this project because Togacoin decided to make weekly payout to investors at their own sole discretion to make them happy and be sure you are investing in a project worthwhile, if they decided not to, you can't hold them against it. Name one project in its ICO phase that has accomplished this? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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July 25, 2018, 09:56:36 AM |
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Hello TogaCoin Team - you can check our real identity on linkedin using our official links on th the website
Due to many FAKE accounts LINKEDIN is no longer a verifiable source. Liink to your page: IT says on top: “BETAThis is a trial service ….” Anyone can register and get approved within 24 hours, pay registration fee. Pay and get listed right? ICOHolder has also verified many ICOS that is a scam, so they CANT be trusted either.. Here just a few: https://icoholder.com/en/uchit-ico-19280https://icoholder.com/en/equiten-23545https://icoholder.com/en/transtoken-23048https://icoholder.com/en/betlycoin-ico-22990 https://icoholder.com/en/gigahash-miner-21434https://icoholder.com/en/lexzoom-22613- our ROI calculation is done using public tools you can easily use, finding informations on our whitepaper.
Yes, we read your whitepaper. Maybe your tool is broken. +800% ROI? Now, let's talk about the infos you published:
As you see we have caught many scammers using fake pictures of team, etc. We don’t make false claims or accusations, those accusations are sent to us by possible investors and/or members of the crypto community.. And we help to validate them. Photos can be easily manipulated on Photoshop. Easy to make a person bold or put blue eyes and change the ear shape, off course people wouldn’t see the same. But the hard now is to bring that person to life and provide a valid evidence of that person existence. - it is clearly visible that people in the pictures are not the same people and your research has been made using an approssimative face tracker program
‘ clear visible” maybe to you, obviously some members of the community or possible investors are not seeing as the same person, otherwise, they would not have reported to us. Make it easy for all of us now and submit the rest of your team pictures. You can also submit the ORIGINAL photos used of your entire team, high resolution so friends in the community – Photoshop experts and photo forensic analysts, can take a look at them. FOR THIS REASON: - We are going to report you to a moderator.
Why all this hate? We are asking valid questions and you are acting exactly like a scammer do when they are caught. The other ICOS that we identified as SCAM posted similar accusations, threats, including wanting to know where I lived, etc. And then later, they removed photos, deleted pages, etc.. the list goes on and on. We are not here to put down a legitimate ICO, but to point out flags that are associated with scams. You are more than welcome to report to moderator. We don’t work for Bitcointalk Forum, we are helping to protect the community in general against ICO scams. We make a call and if Bitcointalk forum moderators decide to eliminate our post, we will post somewhere else, including on our website. To us what is matter is to keep the community informed and aware of scam and possible scams. Pictures of your team raised concerns to the public if you don’t want to provide evidence it is up to you. People don’t need to click the links. The links are there just for sources in case someone wants to verify the image. Since you posted your picture, go ahead and post the rest of your team as well. Thank you! It isn't hard to find out if someone on the team is real or not. That's the first thing I did and probably the first thing everyone does before investing. - Did you try to google their names? Luca for example, there are even interviews of himself. - Did you try to look after all those names in Facebook as well? Facebook seems pretty reliable to me. - Why did you visit the old Telegram group? You are saying that 'plenty' of people are accusing of scam, however I found just one and that person did not even have a reason to say that, and Massimo Ferretti answered politely to that and never even got a reply. The official group has 3000 members and I haven't seen any accusations there since I joined. - "We are asking valid questions and you are acting exactly like a scammer do when they are caught." - I think that they are acting like they have been working really hard for the project and got accused randomly by someone who 'are helping to protect the community' without doing a proper research. - About the mining room, that's a picture from a meeting with investors, wouldn't it be possible that they are just showing the mining equipment? What I know as a FACT now is that I have received 5 payouts since I got my tokens. I think it is totally fine what you do, trying to alert people about scams. However, I'd suggest you to do a better research if you want to do what you do properly. All the other scams you published were literally stealing identities, but as far as I saw you only accused this one of using Photoshop. It's extremely easy finding a facial recognition software that can find something similar that could be used to accuse someone, however I'd recommend you to find a better software because the one that you are using seems to be pretty shitty. Looks like the ones you use on Facebook to see if you look like a celebrity.
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