[EMUNIE] Open Beta One - Information & Schedule

[Fuserleer]

eMunie Open Beta 1

Download:  Not yet available

Release: 9PM UTC 1st 3rd Feb 2014

Duration: 2 weeks ending 15th 17th Feb 2014

 
An open beta of the current eMunie client will be released to the public, and be freely available for download and general use on the rescheduled dates.  


NOTICE

As many are aware, the release of the OB1 should of been today (1st Feb) at 9PM UTC.  Unfortunately at 2.40PM UTC in the afternoon we had a critical failure of our forum and email servers.  At this point the root cause is undetermined, be it hardware failure, software or DDOS.  

The cause isn't important as it is past, but this disruption this afternoon, especially of email systems which are crucial, required our immediate and extended attention to resolve and as such the preparation of OB1 was affected.  Despite our frustrations, and best efforts to stay on schedule, it was decided at 8PM UTC this evening to postpone so that a calm & collected release could be achieved as per our original intention.

OB1 is currently our #1 priority now that email services have been restored, thus the forum will stay offline until Monday evening as migrations to new hardware and configurations are time consuming, therefore allowing us to prepare OB1 with unhindered focus.  We appreciate this is a little frustrating so we ask for your patience and understanding with regards to the eMunie forum's operation & availability.
 

OB1

The purpose of this open beta is to provide a real world environment test of the eMunie network & systems to allow us to pinpoint any potential issues, and have an opportunity to fix them before V1.0 launch.
 
Additionally, this open beta is to allow parties interested in the upcoming IPO to "test drive" the system so that they can be sure eMunie is the right investment opportunity for them.
 
Note:  All eMu, ENS entries, Assets, Messages, Chat and other data will be DELETED at the end of the OB1 session, and the OB1 beta will cease to function!
 
 
Whats in?
 
At the present time, most of the core eMunie features are in place and have been developed to completion and seen many rounds of beta testing.  Furthermore a large number of the peripheral services such as messaging and chat are developed to a basic level and are also present in OB1.
 
Following is a brief list of the main feature set for the OB1 client:
 
Anonymous, encrypted transactions
Transaction messages
Block-tree record model
Core functional complete assets
Complete ENS (eMunie Name System)
Basic implementation of secure, encrypted messaging
Basic implementation of ERC (eMunie Relay Chat)
Basic implementation of ratings and profiles
Basic economics model for inflation/deflation of supply
API interface for most of the above features
 

Whats not in?
 
A few components of the eMunie system are not present or enabled in OB1.  This is due to them either still being in final development, have remaining issues pending investigation or are in final beta testing, with some scheduled to be enabled for OB2.
 
Following is a list of components not enabled for OB1:
 
Distributed P2P exchange (OB2 scheduled)
Distributed market place (OB2 scheduled)
Final economic model
API calls for the above
Remote admin panel for clients
The above features once completed and tested will complete the feature list for the V1.0 launch client scheduled in March.
 
 
Known Issues
 
There are a number of minor issues we are aware of currently and will likely be present in the OB1 release.  These are mainly GUI issues, some of which are localized to MacOS systems, but do not pose much other than an annoyance to normal operation of the client.
 
Most of these known issues will be resolved for the OB2 release in a few weeks time, plus any issues found & reported during OB1.
 
 
How Can You Help?
 
We are very excited about the OB1 release this week and hopefully, no major issues will be discovered.  However, to expect a perfectly clean and bug free client would be naive, so if you do spot anything that seems wrong or out of the ordinary, please do report it on the forum so that we can investigate and improve the user experience of the client, no matter how small the issue may seem.
 

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[theprofileth]

Cool looking forward to this 

[dpc123]

A day or two of delay will have zero impact if we all see a solid client upon release.  Good luck, sorry your project got delayed. 

[valdepretium]

I guess patience is a virtue. However, we look forward to trying the OB1!

[ddink7]

Dan, I've been lurking here for awhile. I've seen all the FUD and accusations and so on. I've seen how you and the team have handled them. So far, I'm thinking you are a class act. A lovely, functional client will seal the deal for me. Best of luck, and I can't wait to see what y'all have put together!

[jubalix]

Could we just have ob1 on
a
[1] drop box link,
[2] Mediafire link
[3] Mega link
[4] torrent.
[5]google drive.
[6]github


rather than rely on buggy forum software/hardware (as it turns out) or susceptible to ddos.
otherwise the second launch date will be shot down by the same or similar or copycat ddos attack etc.


That way nothing can stop you, and it free's up 100% of you valuable time to dev OB1 for release.

[Fuserleer]

And how do we manage questions, testing, bug reports etc etc with no community forum or collective organization?

[steunet]

Simply using a bitcointalk.org topic, as quite all the  bit currencies has done.

Come on, If you really want to do one thing nobody can stop you

Ste

[jubalix]

And how do we manage questions, testing, bug reports etc etc with no community forum or collective organization?

do it here, or on a sub reddit as a stop gap

its fine! in fact better than that, eg nxt did a complete code review and launch that is over a thousand pages long, doge as well handled a massive view rate easily, there there is the goldcolapsing up thread, some million/200K views or something


or put up a google docs excel or something to aggregate issues if you so chose.


This will be far more robust than probably any other forum, and the migrate later.

make up a emunieproplems@gmail if needs be.

even a twitter feed for bugs could work

[kwest]

I do think using this forum would be optimal. I know that there have been many haters and skeptics on here... but I think once Obi-Wan is released (I like that codename.  ) people will look upon eMunie in a more positive light, and be a helpful resource for further development/bug squashing.

I was skeptical myself until I got accepted into the closed beta. I knew and understood very little about eMunie... it helped a lot to both try out the software and follow the discussion in the chat. So I'm optimistic that the same will be true for bitcointalk.

[MsCollec]

Good luck to Team eMunie 

[gambitx]

Exciting times!

All the best for eMunie 

[Peachy]

And how do we manage questions, testing, bug reports etc etc with no community forum or collective organization?

do it here, or on a sub reddit as a stop gap

its fine! in fact better than that, eg nxt did a complete code review and launch that is over a thousand pages long, doge as well handled a massive view rate easily, there there is the goldcolapsing up thread, some million/200K views or something


or put up a google docs excel or something to aggregate issues if you so chose.


This will be far more robust than probably any other forum, and the migrate later.

make up a emunieproplems@gmail if needs be.

even a twitter feed for bugs could work

All of your recommendations are 'maybe' viable options, but only IF they had been the communication medium from the beginning.  However, switching to them now would invite further confusion among the base of existing users, not to mention the utter chaos and confusion this would present to those with whom we are truly trying to attract:  the average joe (ie. the less than 1% of the world not already part of us crypto-nuts.)

In addition, without a forum where we can express the ideology in a clear and structured manner there would be limited methods at our disposal to ensure no misinformation was presented to the user.  This confusion among new users would only serve to limit wider adoption.  Moreover (and not to denigrate this forum and it's goals), but to have an emunie thread within "bitcoin"-talk would then imply that we are effectively no different from all of the exsting and newly created "bitcoin"-like solutions.  This is absolutely not the message we want to portray.  Same implication with pretty much every other proposed solution (although I do appreciate your providing them as reference).

In the end, the medium of communication is not primarily about being "robust" (although this is important and is being addressed), but more importantly an ideology of having the utmost respect towards the one truly deflationary currency ALL of us have in limited supply:  Time.

Basically, there are many of us that don't have the 12+ hours a day that are often needed to scan, search, hope and pray we can find the "true" answer to our question on a product we decide to spend our 'time currency' on as would be the case with the proposed alternatives.  In addition, once you go down the path of using these alternative mediums it becomes infinitely more difficult with each passing day to migrate back to a more polished and structured environment.  

Not sure about Doge, but even the Nxt 1400+ page thread has recently commented on how challenging it is for them to imagine a way to transition from their "1" hyper-long 1400+ page thread and instead "try to move the conversation back to the structured forum they already have" for Q&A.  Challenging indeed.  Even more challenging for a 'new' user thinking about using Nxt.  

Its much like the restaurant example.  You go out to eat one evening and your considering 2 new restaurants that are side by side with each other. One has a huge amount of people already eating (1400+ pages and growing at the rate of 2+ pages per hour) and one where no one seems to be at all (structured forum).  Which one do you choose?  Oh sure, if you had an infinite amount of time (ie. not really hungry) to research each then you "might" choose the less popular one, but the majority will go "where the action is at".

[r0ach]

I have a few questions.  I brushed off eMunie completely and never looked into it due to IPO being mentioned in the old days, so maybe you can clear a few things up.

1)  Bitcoin was designed in a way to prevent central bankers from profiting off the issuance of currency.  Satoshi's profit margin for adopting use of the currency was exactly the same as anyone else that used it.  What is your low ball and high ball figure for what you will personally make if eMunie becomes successful?

2)  Since this project is close source, and I assume you hold some kind of trademarks/patents, what exactly stops you from selling the entire project to Goldman Sachs as soon as it gets big, and they charge everyone $20 a month, or hour, or day to use it, like some kind of AOL service.  This is just one example of the 5 million things I can see going wrong with personal ownership or direction of the project.

[Peachy]

"I have a few questions"

And so it begins thus proving my point. ;-)  This thread was initiated by Dan with the "intent" of providing an answer to those wondering what the status was with regard to emunie.  If I go down the path of answering your "new topic" question then I would only be further proving my point.

This is not meant to side-step your questions, but more a sincere request that you start a "new topic" for your queries as it would ensure we don't pollute the intended goals for this thread.  Moreover, I would have no qualms debating your questions rationally on that "new" thread as I have many reasoned and cogent counterpoints to your assertions, but this thread is not the place for them.

Please let me know when you have started that thread so that I can contribute to the discussion.

[jubalix]

And how do we manage questions, testing, bug reports etc etc with no community forum or collective organization?

do it here, or on a sub reddit as a stop gap

its fine! in fact better than that, eg nxt did a complete code review and launch that is over a thousand pages long, doge as well handled a massive view rate easily, there there is the goldcolapsing up thread, some million/200K views or something


or put up a google docs excel or something to aggregate issues if you so chose.


This will be far more robust than probably any other forum, and the migrate later.

make up a emunieproplems@gmail if needs be.

even a twitter feed for bugs could work

All of your recommendations are 'maybe' viable options, but only IF they had been the communication medium from the beginning.  However, switching to them now would invite further confusion among the base of existing users, not to mention the utter chaos and confusion this would present to those with whom we are truly trying to attract:  the average joe (ie. the less than 1% of the world not already part of us crypto-nuts.)

In addition, without a forum where we can express the ideology in a clear and structured manner there would be limited methods at our disposal to ensure no misinformation was presented to the user.  This confusion among new users would only serve to limit wider adoption.  Moreover (and not to denigrate this forum and it's goals), but to have an emunie thread within "bitcoin"-talk would then imply that we are effectively no different from all of the exsting and newly created "bitcoin"-like solutions.  This is absolutely not the message we want to portray.  Same implication with pretty much every other proposed solution (although I do appreciate your providing them as reference).

In the end, the medium of communication is not primarily about being "robust" (although this is important and is being addressed), but more importantly an ideology of having the utmost respect towards the one truly deflationary currency ALL of us have in limited supply:  Time.

Basically, there are many of us that don't have the 12+ hours a day that are often needed to scan, search, hope and pray we can find the "true" answer to our question on a product we decide to spend our 'time currency' on as would be the case with the proposed alternatives.  In addition, once you go down the path of using these alternative mediums it becomes infinitely more difficult with each passing day to migrate back to a more polished and structured environment.  

Not sure about Doge, but even the Nxt 1400+ page thread has recently commented on how challenging it is for them to imagine a way to transition from their "1" hyper-long 1400+ page thread and instead "try to move the conversation back to the structured forum they already have" for Q&A.  Challenging indeed.  Even more challenging for a 'new' user thinking about using Nxt.  

Its much like the restaurant example.  You go out to eat one evening and your considering 2 new restaurants that are side by side with each other. One has a huge amount of people already eating (1400+ pages and growing at the rate of 2+ pages per hour) and one where no one seems to be at all (structured forum).  Which one do you choose?  Oh sure, if you had an infinite amount of time (ie. not really hungry) to research each then you "might" choose the less popular one, but the majority will go "where the action is at".

all good points, i think we could transition to a up and running forum while the ob1 is on.

also we look to face unrelenting attacks on a forum, as it now seems to have happened or buggy servers. Having the info here and there, offers redundancy, and will make any such attacks less attractive. Even though here the form may be not as pretty. The NXT thread to months to get to where it is. Emunie will have a forum up and running well before it gets to that point.

Having something is better than nothing at this point. Ensuring we have redundancy against attacks and server failure is paramount.

[jubalix]

"I have a few questions"

And so it begins thus proving my point. ;-)  This thread was initiated by Dan with the "intent" of providing an answer to those wondering what the status was with regard to emunie.  If I go down the path of answering your "new topic" question then I would only be further proving my point.

This is not meant to side-step your questions, but more a sincere request that you start a "new topic" for your queries as it would ensure we don't pollute the intended goals for this thread.  Moreover, I would have no qualms debating your questions rationally on that "new" thread as I have many reasoned and cogent counterpoints to your assertions, but this thread is not the place for them.

Please let me know when you have started that thread so that I can contribute to the discussion.

ok good points Peachy, I will start an emunie questions thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=445124.0
[QQQ] emunie questions thread.

[r0ach]

This is not meant to side-step your questions,

They were pretty simple and easily answerable questions.  If you want people to actually adopt using this currency, system, whatever you want to call it, you should be able to swiftly answer questions like those, or maybe a link to some kind of FAQ that demonstrates how close source is not somehow a giant step backwards from open source Bitcoin, without pretending like it's "trolling" when it's an obvious, legitimate concern.

Keep in mind that most people on this forum have never used the Emunie client before, and have only heard of it, and the only reference point anyone has is associating Emunie with NXT since the word IPO has been thrown around.

[Peachy]

This is not meant to side-step your questions,

They were pretty simple and easily answerable questions.  If you want people to actually adopt using this currency, system, whatever you want to call it, you should be able to swiftly answer questions like those, or maybe a link to some kind of FAQ that demonstrates how close source is not somehow a giant step backwards from open source Bitcoin, without pretending like it's "trolling", when it's an obvious, legitimate concern.

Keep in mind that most people on this forum have never used the client before, and have only heard of it, and most just loosely associate it with things like NXT due to the word IPO being used in the past.

jubalix,
Thank you for initiating a separate thread.  I will post my responses to these questions over there, but please allow me a modest amount of time to formulate them properly as I tend to be "long winded" (a product of my old age).

r0ach,
"Easy to answer" is the same as saying "Easy to Use".  As anyone who has children will attest, this is not always the case.  This is much like the disclaimer at the bottom of the "Barbie's Dream House" toy which deceptively states "Some assembly required".  "Some" assembly?  LOL.  I found I would need a PhD in engineering to accurately put together the unit with their obfuscated instruction manual.  Regardless, my intent is to imply that while something might "seem" simple to you, the actual discussion point/counterpoint arguments of the topic can easily devolve into  questions-upon-questions and thus further pollute this thread from its intended message.

Thank you gentlemen for your understanding and I look forward to the spirited discussion on the "temporary" QQQ thread (at least until we have our forum restored).

[Richard2012]

Hey Peachy,

Sent email to Dan earlier, but would be beneficial if we could:

- utilise pre-sale notification email list to update community forum members of new schedule
- update forum placeholder with new OB1 details or link to this thread

Just to get the word out to every corner of the world

Cheers