Bitcoin Forum
May 06, 2024, 05:20:55 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Deepbit versus Bitclockers  (Read 2223 times)
worldinacoin (OP)
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 756
Merit: 500



View Profile
September 18, 2011, 03:39:44 AM
 #1

I have a strange issue, when I am mining on 3x 6970s with Deepbit the speed fluctuates from 800-1200Mhash but when I tried on Bitclocker it is quite constant at 1200Mhash, is it because of the way the figures are shown?
It is a common myth that Bitcoin is ruled by a majority of miners. This is not true. Bitcoin miners "vote" on the ordering of transactions, but that's all they do. They can't vote to change the network rules.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1715016055
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715016055

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715016055
Reply with quote  #2

1715016055
Report to moderator
1715016055
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715016055

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715016055
Reply with quote  #2

1715016055
Report to moderator
1715016055
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715016055

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715016055
Reply with quote  #2

1715016055
Report to moderator
Vod
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3696
Merit: 3070


Licking my boob since 1970


View Profile WWW
September 18, 2011, 06:22:59 AM
 #2

I have a strange issue, when I am mining on 3x 6970s with Deepbit the speed fluctuates from 800-1200Mhash but when I tried on Bitclocker it is quite constant at 1200Mhash, is it because of the way the figures are shown?

What figures are you talking about?  The ones on your miners, or on the website?  If it's on the website then yes, each website prob calculates the rates in a different way.

https://nastyscam.com - landing page up     https://vod.fan - advanced image hosting - coming soon!
OGNasty has early onset dementia; keep this in mind when discussing his past actions.
worldinacoin (OP)
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 756
Merit: 500



View Profile
September 18, 2011, 12:18:18 PM
 #3

The figures on the web sites, the figures on my machine is pretty stable, that's what puzzles me. 
jkminkov
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 698
Merit: 500


View Profile
September 18, 2011, 01:28:52 PM
 #4

count shares per day, 3 days shares would be even more accurate

.:31211457:. 100 dollars in one place talking - Dudes, hooray, Bitcoin against us just one, but we are growing in numbers!
[Tycho]
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 742
Merit: 500



View Profile WWW
September 18, 2011, 03:55:39 PM
 #5

Counting shares for more than 24h is a good measure.
Also you may compare actual payouts, but this would require more than a couple of days to average out bad/good luck.

Welcome to my bitcoin mining pool: https://deepbit.net - Both payment schemes (including PPS), instant payout, no invalid blocks !
ICBIT Trading platform : USD/BTC futures trading, Bitcoin difficulty futures (NEW!). Third year in bitcoin business.
worldinacoin (OP)
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 756
Merit: 500



View Profile
September 19, 2011, 11:57:08 AM
 #6

Both seems as good, very tough to choose from Smiley . I think I will mine at Deepbit as it seems to be much more popular.
Clipse
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 504
Merit: 502


View Profile
September 19, 2011, 12:04:32 PM
 #7

deepbit updates the hashrate on miner more often than bitclockers, so thats why you could get bitclockers stuck at the highest hashrate reported for longer than it actually is submitting.

...In the land of the stale, the man with one share is king... >> Clipse

We pay miners at 130% PPS | Signup here : Bonus PPS Pool (Please read OP to understand the current process)
Jack of Diamonds
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 252
Merit: 251



View Profile
September 19, 2011, 05:24:54 PM
 #8

Both seems as good, very tough to choose from Smiley . I think I will mine at Deepbit as it seems to be much more popular.

What a horrible logic to go by. People mine there because they are clueless
& don't know 3% for prop or 10% for PPS is a rip-off (even if you get reduced variance for the prop. due to massive hash rate).

No offense to Tycho either; Hell I mined there for a long time back when prop. was still viable.

You shouldn't mine at a site which is the most popular but the one which yields the largest profit on average.

1f3gHNoBodYw1LLs3ndY0UanYB1tC0lnsBec4USeYoU9AREaCH34PBeGgAR67fx
V2-V3
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 227
Merit: 100



View Profile
September 20, 2011, 01:14:08 AM
Last edit: September 26, 2011, 07:35:23 PM by V2-V3
 #9

I have a strange issue, when I am mining on 3x 6970s with Deepbit the speed fluctuates from 800-1200Mhash but when I tried on Bitclocker it is quite constant at 1200Mhash, is it because of the way the figures are shown?

The BitClockers hash rate is a 15 min average updated every 5 minutes.

Bitclockers has the most live *statistics of any mining pool.  

*referring to Graphics/Charts/Fancy Numbers....
Remember remember the 5th of November
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1862
Merit: 1011

Reverse engineer from time to time


View Profile
September 20, 2011, 01:18:44 AM
 #10

Think about it, deepbit finds blocks much faster than anyone else. When they find a block, your speed is recounted, and because the shares are still fresh. i.e 15 minutes or more must pass, your true speed is not shown.

BTC:1AiCRMxgf1ptVQwx6hDuKMu4f7F27QmJC2
[Tycho]
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 742
Merit: 500



View Profile WWW
September 20, 2011, 02:49:48 AM
 #11

Deepbit's luckmeter (user hashrate estimation) is updated once per minute and calculated over a user-adjustable window, so it's even more live than the most live statistics of any mining pool (jk) :)
But this is not affected by finding blocks and no special recalculations occur at that moment, so that's not the reason.

Welcome to my bitcoin mining pool: https://deepbit.net - Both payment schemes (including PPS), instant payout, no invalid blocks !
ICBIT Trading platform : USD/BTC futures trading, Bitcoin difficulty futures (NEW!). Third year in bitcoin business.
backburn
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 111
Merit: 10


★Trash&Burn [TBC/TXB]★


View Profile
September 20, 2011, 05:49:24 AM
 #12

A majority of stats on BitClockers.com are real time for registered/logged-in users.
Hashrates are updated every 5min based on a 15min sliding average.
Failed/inactive miner detection is 5 min.

Public facing data for guests is 1min. Graphs are 5min. Hashrates are 5min.


Real-time is pretty up to date Wink

As for how hashrates are calced on bitclockers:

MH/s = (CurrentTotalShares - SharesLastUpdated)*4294967296 / TimeInSecondsSinceLastUpdated / 1024 / 1024)


4294967296 is 2^32

2^32 is the average amount of hashes in a difficulty 1 share.

So in effect all pools are guessing at hashrates. We have no way to know whats showing up in your client window. In reality it should be called "Share Rate".

Tycho, I propose we change our sites away from "megahashes" and into "shares per minute" XD
Vod
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3696
Merit: 3070


Licking my boob since 1970


View Profile WWW
September 24, 2011, 05:42:45 AM
Last edit: September 24, 2011, 05:57:43 AM by Martin Lawrence (Guildminers)
 #13

I have a strange issue, when I am mining on 3x 6970s with Deepbit the speed fluctuates from 800-1200Mhash but when I tried on Bitclocker it is quite constant at 1200Mhash, is it because of the way the figures are shown?

The BitClockers hash rate is a 15 min average updated every 5 minutes.

Bitclockers has the most live statistics of any mining pool.  

That's a pretty arrogant statement!  Smiley

GuildMiners hash rate is also a 15 minute average, updated every minute!

(5x faster than Bitclockers!)

https://nastyscam.com - landing page up     https://vod.fan - advanced image hosting - coming soon!
OGNasty has early onset dementia; keep this in mind when discussing his past actions.
Sekioh
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 181
Merit: 100



View Profile
September 24, 2011, 06:10:35 AM
 #14

Can't you tack on arbitrary data to a submitted share? Can we like get the popular miners to just tack on a small overhead of rate=X? :]

<OPEN MONEY | Powering Blockchain Acceptance [ICO]
███████████████    ▬▬▬▬▬▬ Blockchain Meets Mainstream! ▬▬▬▬▬▬    ███████████████
Whitepaper  ●  Slack  ●  Facebook  ●  Twitter  ●  Reddit  ●  Telegram>
V2-V3
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 227
Merit: 100



View Profile
September 26, 2011, 07:36:11 PM
 #15

So in effect all pools are guessing at hashrates. We have no way to know whats showing up in your client window. In reality it should be called "Share Rate".

Tycho, I propose we change our sites away from "megahashes" and into "shares per minute" XD

Would be nice if this became the standard and all pools adopted it.  Technically no pool is accurate when they say XXX MH/s.

To get people use to the idea maybe a combination stat that shows the aproximate hashrate

Something like this:
20.9 shares per minute (~ 1500 MH/s)

(maybe if you mouse over or click on hashrate it would provide an explanation on since no pool can see your hardware hashrate it is estimated based on shares you submit and will fluctuate based on luck).

maybe shares per hour would be better (using a rolling 1hour average?):
1257 shares per hour (~ 1500 MH/s)


I agree, this would be most beneficial to users and pool operators.

Do we have any other Pool operators to give input?
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!