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December 10, 2018, 07:54:59 AM
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I don’t think that “leveraged trading” is similar to gambling. No matter what type of trading it is, your decisions should always depend upon the knowledge about the market, implying that you need to understand and research the market carefully. Even for deciding the price of the coin in leveraged trading, you should really have some market knowledge but in gambling it entirely based on random guess and the result is based on your luck.

Yes, you are right. In leveraged trading, we should know how much profit we should take and don't greedy because this will makes you become a loss. I prefer with leveraged trading too although we don't have much knowledge about the coins as long as we can see the green colour in the status of the trading then it means, we can take the profit. I think it's easy to try in leveraged trading and the profit will be good for us.
In any kind of trading and gambling greediness can be a killer of your stash. Both are risky, both can be tricky as hell, and both can take your money away or earn you a lot of money. I will go with gambling, much easier, much less bothering, leverage trading require special skills, you need to be active a lot, you need to have accounts everywhere, basically you earn of fluctuations in exchange rates between two different countries, now you figure it out how to do it, with gambling you have much more fun and its much easier.

I don't agree with this post.

Yes gambling with dice or blackjack can be more "fun" however its basically "gambling" and there is really no method except luck. With trading if you got a few years experience you can filter out the trades which are most likely to work. And if you got a good risk/reward ratio then you are way ahead rather than just tossing a dice roll.

With dice you can't really do this because each roll is completely independent of the prior. With the markets its different. Especially if you are trading in a strong bear market like we are right now and you are only going short, you got the trend in your favour, with dice you don't have that advantage.
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December 10, 2018, 09:04:53 AM
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In any kind of trading and gambling greediness can be a killer of your stash. Both are risky, both can be tricky as hell, and both can take your money away or earn you a lot of money. I will go with gambling, much easier, much less bothering, leverage trading require special skills, you need to be active a lot, you need to have accounts everywhere, basically you earn of fluctuations in exchange rates between two different countries, now you figure it out how to do it, with gambling you have much more fun and its much easier.
I'm not sure on what basis you are ready to treat these two as the same things. Even gambling and leverages trading are having many similarities, definitely they are two different things and they both need completely different approaches so that we can get what we actually aiming for.

Gambling is known for its easier nature and anyone can start with it when they are having very small to no money to spend with whereas trading requires lots of hard work on strategy making and continuous learning about knowledge and remembering old events (which are not at all required for gambling). You may choose either one based on your preferences but definitely NOT imagining these are alternate to each other.

All the gamblers do not need to be a trader and the vice versa is also true because gambling and trading are completely different fields that is the reason they require completely different set of skills and these are existing for different purposes so choose the right one for your needs and you may go for both at different time but definitely with different mindset and skill set.

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December 28, 2018, 04:24:02 AM
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Ill go with gambling . why ? simply because i can easily understand its mechanics and i can start as early as possible even if i only have a small capital .  gambling is also more benficial imo because many sites nowadays do offer jackpots and other goodies .

Leverage trading on the side may seem a bit confusing to me but i know that this one can provide more succesive income than in gambling  .
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December 28, 2018, 04:33:06 AM
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Ill go with gambling . why ? simply because i can easily understand its mechanics and i can start as early as possible even if i only have a small capital .  gambling is also more benficial imo because many sites nowadays do offer jackpots and other goodies .

Leverage trading on the side may seem a bit confusing to me but i know that this one can provide more succesive income than in gambling  .
I get your point mate, with gambling you can easily play the game without considering anything, just simply play with your luck and if you win you can enjoy your earnings yet when you lose you will go and move on knowing that you play inside gambling, while in leverage trading where you use your
knowledge and try to sort things out, when you lose you will always think about it and stress yourself as you've done what is needed to assess the next movement.
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December 28, 2018, 04:51:36 AM
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I get your point mate, with gambling you can easily play the game without considering anything, just simply play with your luck and if you win you can enjoy your earnings yet when you lose you will go and move on knowing that you play inside gambling,
Gambling is simple, you do not need to study it hard because in the end you'll still rely on your luck.
You win some, you loss some, that's gonna happen, but don't expect you'll have more wins than your losses as gambling is not build that way.
If you win big and you stop, then maybe you can be profitable, but most of us will still continue, we think making money consistently is possible.
So eventually, we will still gonna return our winnings and sad is we will be down again.

while in leverage trading where you use your
knowledge and try to sort things out, when you lose you will always think about it and stress yourself as you've done what is needed to assess the next movement.
This is different from gambling, the only similar is the risk because you need to risk your money to make money.
Its's not easy, but unlike gambling, your chances to be successful here is way higher.

So you need to apply different approach on two, if you want to do both.

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December 28, 2018, 06:52:02 AM
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I don’t think that “leveraged trading” is similar to gambling. No matter what type of trading it is, your decisions should always depend upon the knowledge about the market, implying that you need to understand and research the market carefully. Even for deciding the price of the coin in leveraged trading, you should really have some market knowledge but in gambling it entirely based on random guess and the result is based on your luck.

Yes, you are right. In leveraged trading, we should know how much profit we should take and don't greedy because this will makes you become a loss. I prefer with leveraged trading too although we don't have much knowledge about the coins as long as we can see the green colour in the status of the trading then it means, we can take the profit. I think it's easy to try in leveraged trading and the profit will be good for us.
In any kind of trading and gambling greediness can be a killer of your stash. Both are risky, both can be tricky as hell, and both can take your money away or earn you a lot of money. I will go with gambling, much easier, much less bothering, leverage trading require special skills, you need to be active a lot, you need to have accounts everywhere, basically you earn of fluctuations in exchange rates between two different countries, now you figure it out how to do it, with gambling you have much more fun and its much easier.

No, I won't go with gambling, you will not make money from gambling. I choose for leveraged trading because I can have a chance to make money and I know it will be a big profit in that trade. But yes, I need more knowledge and skill to make money from leveraged trading and I am sure I can learn from many tutorials. And for the account, I think I only register on one exchanges and leveraged trading is different than arbitrage trading.

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December 28, 2018, 12:22:46 PM
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I don’t think that “leveraged trading” is similar to gambling. No matter what type of trading it is, your decisions should always depend upon the knowledge about the market, implying that you need to understand and research the market carefully. Even for deciding the price of the coin in leveraged trading, you should really have some market knowledge but in gambling it entirely based on random guess and the result is based on your luck.

Yes, you are right. In leveraged trading, we should know how much profit we should take and don't greedy because this will makes you become a loss. I prefer with leveraged trading too although we don't have much knowledge about the coins as long as we can see the green colour in the status of the trading then it means, we can take the profit. I think it's easy to try in leveraged trading and the profit will be good for us.
In any kind of trading and gambling greediness can be a killer of your stash. Both are risky, both can be tricky as hell, and both can take your money away or earn you a lot of money. I will go with gambling, much easier, much less bothering, leverage trading require special skills, you need to be active a lot, you need to have accounts everywhere, basically you earn of fluctuations in exchange rates between two different countries, now you figure it out how to do it, with gambling you have much more fun and its much easier.

No, I won't go with gambling, you will not make money from gambling. I choose for leveraged trading because I can have a chance to make money and I know it will be a big profit in that trade. But yes, I need more knowledge and skill to make money from leveraged trading and I am sure I can learn from many tutorials. And for the account, I think I only register on one exchanges and leveraged trading is different than arbitrage trading.
Knowledge and time are both important, and anyone who are in a mission of making money in trading are willing to spend time and effort to learn.
We should know it's different from gambling, so we know what to focus and what to consider as an entertainment.
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December 28, 2018, 03:30:40 PM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.
There is no much different between gambling and leverage trading as both are too risky to go into.  It is possible that you can loose all your investments in just a single trade as will as loosing your entire investments in a single betting!  However,  you can predict to some extent by using candlesticks formation or news in leverage trading but in gambling you only depend on luck.
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February 03, 2019, 08:24:02 PM
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Lol both have their advantages and disadvantages and are very risky. Even though you can have more lucks with leverage trading than mere gambling. You can as well lose a lot of money on leverage trading.
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February 03, 2019, 09:28:07 PM
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Lol both have their advantages and disadvantages and are very risky. Even though you can have more lucks with leverage trading than mere gambling. You can as well lose a lot of money on leverage trading.

I especially believe that leverage trading with altcoin is pure gambling.

Cause on btc you can see the big waves... But on alts? With the BTC price ratio?
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February 03, 2019, 09:34:28 PM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.
Gambling and leverage trading are almost the same.  But one is lesser in risk than another.  If you are trading you do make some analysis using technical and fundamentals issues but in gambling it is a different think entirely.
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February 03, 2019, 10:29:41 PM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.
Gambling and leverage trading are almost the same.  But one is lesser in risk than another.  If you are trading you do make some analysis using technical and fundamentals issues but in gambling it is a different think entirely.
I don't see any lesser risk in them both, these two are still risky and could end up in losing too much of your money. But with the help of technical analysis it might have increased your chances but not that high so it is still risky. I suggest if you go leverage trading you should have a better TA and other analysis in the market so you won't end up burning your whole money.

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February 03, 2019, 11:06:41 PM
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I only gamble I do not trust the whole leverage trading, If I am going to gamble ill do it right and play cards or poker, Something that I actually have a chance at I have asked several people the same question, and none have ever made really much off of leverage trading..

Yes I also don't know much about leverage trading because it will not been used to be much more people but gambling is always been used by a lots of people and increasing every day so I also trust gambling more than this type of trading.

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February 03, 2019, 11:20:34 PM
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This is also what I had thought when I first tried leveraged trading. It is comparable, like 50/50 if the dump will happen or the pump. It's a matter of great technical analysis on charts, but it still won't be 100% sure because of the uncertainty of the market. There are preparation and strategies for trading and also for gambling, and then if you lose in any of them, you could apply the martingale strategy. I have not yet tried it, but I know someone who uses it in trading.

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February 04, 2019, 03:01:47 AM
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I only gamble I do not trust the whole leverage trading, If I am going to gamble ill do it right and play cards or poker, Something that I actually have a chance at I have asked several people the same question, and none have ever made really much off of leverage trading..

Yes I also don't know much about leverage trading because it will not been used to be much more people but gambling is always been used by a lots of people and increasing every day so I also trust gambling more than this type of trading.
Because you are a gambler and such sections are filled by most gamblers, but when you are in the trading section then there will be lots of people debating you when you said that. As privously, gambling and trading have advantages and disadvantages and when you equalize the two or choose the one that you think is profitable then you have to know both and at least you have to try how to gambling and how to trading. Many people who said gambling was about luck, you just need to put up and pray to be approached with luck, strategy only gives a little confidence in you. Unless with trading, it can be 99% to get profit you have to use a strategy.

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February 04, 2019, 04:47:10 AM
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Lol both have their advantages and disadvantages and are very risky. Even though you can have more lucks with leverage trading than mere gambling. You can as well lose a lot of money on leverage trading.
Its more risky in leverage trading if you don't know how to do it well, though gambling of course its given that its risky but in trading you still do your effort here to study the market. Better not to trade and gamble at all if you think the risk is too much for you or it will just put you more in debt. Just have fun in gambling, don't take it seriously or else you will lose more.
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February 04, 2019, 08:56:45 AM
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I only gamble I do not trust the whole leverage trading, If I am going to gamble ill do it right and play cards or poker, Something that I actually have a chance at I have asked several people the same question, and none have ever made really much off of leverage trading..

Yes I also don't know much about leverage trading because it will not been used to be much more people but gambling is always been used by a lots of people and increasing every day so I also trust gambling more than this type of trading.

With margin trading, you can trade with an extra amount of money borrowed from someone on the basis of the money you already have. You can be able to make a bigger profit because your buying amount will bigger too and when the price can increase, your profit will increase too. I prefer to do leveraged trading than gambling because there is a big chance for me to make a bigger profit than ordinary trading. But still, I like playing gambling too as many other Grin

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February 05, 2019, 12:48:11 AM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.
But gambling is more popular in this situation most of the people don't know about leverage trading because when people are thinking about money making they are going only easier said that's why gambling will more popular and there is no higher guidance will about to trade in the way of leverage trading.
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February 05, 2019, 01:15:35 AM
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Leverage is the chance to do something you couldnt do otherwise which is sell Bitcoin you dont own or buy when you dont actually have the full amount required.    It requires more accuracy then just a plain hold because its more time dependant, I thought you meant like real market trading for a minute because normal markets have a ton of borrowed money in there.    Bitcoin becomes more volatile with borrowed money, I'm not sure its for the best if it leans on money that will disappear later too much.     

My overall take on Bitcoin price pulling back is that it was necessary to squeeze the rag dry of all the weak money in the price, before we can continue with a more stable price.   Having the exchange with margin in there keeps putting back short term blips in price that may not last if the overall effect is to remove anything less solid.   Anyone doing this should be sure to take profits fast, like a bet not think its going to keep running up.     Price is checking itself alot nowadays not running so much, it might in future but seems every week is quite similar in that way now

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February 05, 2019, 04:50:10 AM
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Recently I tried leveraged trading for the first time at Bitmex, and ended up in a loss. It seemed similar to a gamble, where you deposit, place a bet and either win (and double) or lose everything. In leveraged trading, if you deposit & place an order and it reaches your liquidation level, you lose everything.

Gambling can't be compared to regular trading, as in regular trading, you don't win much and don't lose much either. However, if you're trading with leverage, then that trading can be considered something similar to a gamble.
But gambling is more popular in this situation most of the people don't know about leverage trading because when people are thinking about money making they are going only easier said that's why gambling will more popular and there is no higher guidance will about to trade in the way of leverage trading.

Because people only see ordinary trading so far and they don't know much about leverage trading. But for people who are familiar with trading, I think they hear about leverage trading and they want to learn how to make a profit using leverage. But it's too risky to trade with leverage especially if we don't have any knowledge about the trend and we only use the same method with ordinary trading. In leverage trading, as long as the trend still increase, you can make a lot of profit especially if you use huge money to place short or long trading.

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