Gleb Gamow account was sold Proof

[digaran]

Quoting for future reference. so you bought an account and now expecting the red tags to be removed just because you bought the account?
Tagged.

I don't particularly care either way. You missed the part where I said I'm not going to use the account and Bruno may get it back at some point so it doesn't make any difference to me though it probably does for Bruno. But if you want to keep lying and creating your own reality - be my guest

Nothing is lost yet, if you admit what you did was wrong, I will give you another chance and would remove my tag. you could've paid him from your pocket without taking control of the account. it also seems that Bruno has been on account sale business for years. why did you take the account if you trusted him and even asked for his red tags to be removed? you didn't trust him enough that's why you tried to buy the account and make it look like you are helping him.

Therefore I'd like to ask Tomatocage to exclude Gleb from DT2 before we see suchmoon to start tagging people with it. I would also like to ask Blazed and dooglus to exclude suchmoon from DT2, she is a blatant account buyer. unless Blazed and dooglus agree with suchmoon's actions? if they agree with such a blatant case of account trading maybe we need to ask theymos to exclude them from DT1?

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[jackg]

Nothing is lost yet, if you admit what you did was wrong, I will give you another chance and would remove my tag. you could've paid him from your pocket without taking control of the account. it also seems that Bruno has been on account sale business for years. why did you take the account if you trusted him and even asked for his red tags to be removed? you didn't trust him enough that's why you tried to buy the account and make it look like you are helping him.

Why would they care to remove negative trust from you? You're negged yourself but DT members.
I don't think what they did is against anything.
And there is also irony in your post. Suchmoon said he isn't going to sell it on or use it (unless back to Bruno) so the account is now stagnant and won't continue to be sold.

Therefore I'd like to ask Tomatocage to exclude Gleb from DT2 before we see suchmoon to start tagging people with it. I would also like to ask Blazed and dooglus to exclude suchmoon from DT2, she is a blatant account buyer. unless Blazed and dooglus agree with suchmoon's actions? if they agree with such a blatant case of account trading maybe we need to ask theymos to exclude them from DT1?

Blazed has a history of account sales afaik, it was on a thread somewhere (unless that's just Quicksy fud).
And those accounts/people should do what they seem fit to in response to this. I don't think either should really have much done differntly to them though.

[suchmoon]

How much did you give him for it if you're happy saying?

I don't want to get into the details without Bruno's permission but if he wants to share that info - I'm fine with it.

@Suchmoon, could you sign a message from a staked address from your suchmoon account to show that you own it?

I don't have a staked address as I never expected to be in this position. I'll see if I can find one posted somewhere.

Nothing is lost yet, if you admit what you did was wrong, I will give you another chance and would remove my tag. you could've paid him from your pocket without taking control of the account. it also seems that Bruno has been on account sale business for years. why did you take the account if you trusted him and even asked for his red tags to be removed? you didn't trust him enough that's why you tried to buy the account and make it look like you are helping him.

Not sure how to put this politely but I don't care about your red tag or what you think of this deal.

Therefore I'd like to ask Tomatocage to exclude Gleb from DT2 before we see suchmoon to start tagging people with it. I would also like to ask Blazed and dooglus to exclude suchmoon from DT2, she is a blatant account buyer. unless Blazed and dooglus agree with suchmoon's actions? if they agree with such a blatant case of account trading maybe we need to ask theymos to exclude them from DT1?

Have you contacted the DT1 members yet?

This should be a good test of the rumor that Quicksy controls Tomatocage. I can't imagine him being happy with this so Gleb almost certainly will get dropped from DT2 if that's the case.

[jackg]

How much did you give him for it if you're happy saying?

I don't want to get into the details without Bruno's permission but if he wants to share that info - I'm fine with it.

Yeah, I expected that.
I just wanted to see if it was an amount fairly high currently ~1BTC+ to see if it was similar to that loan which, as I understand it, didn't get filled.

@Suchmoon, could you sign a message from a staked address from your suchmoon account to show that you own it?

I don't have a staked address as I never expected to be in this position. I'll see if I can find one posted somewhere.

Based on all the recent hacks why would you not have a staked address somewhere? I mean if either of those accounts now get compromised then you're stuck without them. I'd advse you stake one.

Therefore I'd like to ask Tomatocage to exclude Gleb from DT2 before we see suchmoon to start tagging people with it. I would also like to ask Blazed and dooglus to exclude suchmoon from DT2, she is a blatant account buyer. unless Blazed and dooglus agree with suchmoon's actions? if they agree with such a blatant case of account trading maybe we need to ask theymos to exclude them from DT1?

Have you contacted the DT1 members yet?

This should be a good test of the rumor that Quicksy controls Tomatocage. I can't imagine him being happy with this so Gleb almost certainly will get dropped from DT2 if that's the case.

Is that some sort of reverse psychology

[suchmoon]

Based on all the recent hacks why would you not have a staked address somewhere? I mean if either of those accounts now get compromised then you're stuck without them. I'd advse you stake one.

I never put any value on forum accounts. If I lose my account I'll just start over. Now having Gleb's account puts a bit more responsibility on me but maybe Bruno has a staked address on that one.

Is that some sort of reverse psychology

Shhh... don't tell Quicksy.

[InvoKing]

@Suchmoon, could you sign a message from a staked address from your suchmoon account to show that you own it?

I don't have a staked address as I never expected to be in this position. I'll see if I can find one posted somewhere.

Based on all the recent hacks why would you not have a staked address somewhere? I mean if either of those accounts now get compromised then you're stuck without them. I'd advse you stake one.

Suchmoon has at least one old address 1A8DePhATaFEyNBJpuybCA8oYUUZEgUraP (https://web.archive.org/web/20140403105622/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771), if you still have access to it you can sign a message with it...although I don't consider this mandatory.

[jackg]

Suchmoon has at least one old address 1A8DePhATaFEyNBJpuybCA8oYUUZEgUraP (https://web.archive.org/web/20140403105622/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771), if you still have access to it you can sign a message with it...although I don't consider this mandatory.

That's a good idea invoking to find a staked address (I was going through their trust but couldn't find anything).

It would obviously be good if you could sign it Suchmoon however it definitley isn't mandetory (it just allows us to have a bit of a better reference). And means we don't have to depend on typed words for when the account goes back to Gleb - as there is then more proof that the account has left you.

Based on all the recent hacks why would you not have a staked address somewhere? I mean if either of those accounts now get compromised then you're stuck without them. I'd advse you stake one.

I never put any value on forum accounts. If I lose my account I'll just start over. Now having Gleb's account puts a bit more responsibility on me but maybe Bruno has a staked address on that one.

I don't think this is the attitude someone on DT should have.
If your account gets compromised then it's free to scam people out of anything. You might not put value on your own account, but someone else would.

[suchmoon]

@Suchmoon, could you sign a message from a staked address from your suchmoon account to show that you own it?

I don't have a staked address as I never expected to be in this position. I'll see if I can find one posted somewhere.

Based on all the recent hacks why would you not have a staked address somewhere? I mean if either of those accounts now get compromised then you're stuck without them. I'd advse you stake one.

Suchmoon has at least one old address 1A8DePhATaFEyNBJpuybCA8oYUUZEgUraP (https://web.archive.org/web/20140403105622/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771), if you still have access to it you can sign a message with it...although I don't consider this mandatory.

Nice job, thanks. I found it also posted in one of my threads:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=514242 (post has been edited but last edit was 3 years ago).

Message (one line):

This is suchmoon 2018-06-17. I control bitcointalk accounts "suchmoon" and (temporarily) "Gleb Gamow".

Signature:

HM71xTAaD8xyx7ciTaPTmKLBp7Y7Rzm9uQ5MIdhUJh6ZVUPtz2mAEsiyI/4BS5ZQVDnsSnHSWWBw4ur5UjzgxAU=

I don't think this is the attitude someone on DT should have.
If your account gets compromised then it's free to scam people out of anything. You might not put value on your own account, but someone else would.

Well, I would obviously post a warning if I ever lose the account and would request it to be banned/removed from DT/red-tagged etc. But I hear what you're saying. Will fix that soon.

[InvoKing]

@Suchmoon, could you sign a message from a staked address from your suchmoon account to show that you own it?

I don't have a staked address as I never expected to be in this position. I'll see if I can find one posted somewhere.

Based on all the recent hacks why would you not have a staked address somewhere? I mean if either of those accounts now get compromised then you're stuck without them. I'd advse you stake one.

Suchmoon has at least one old address 1A8DePhATaFEyNBJpuybCA8oYUUZEgUraP (https://web.archive.org/web/20140403105622/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771), if you still have access to it you can sign a message with it...although I don't consider this mandatory.

Nice job, thanks. I found it also posted in one of my threads:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=514242 (post has been edited but last edit was 3 years ago).

Message (one line):

This is suchmoon 2018-06-17. I control bitcointalk accounts "suchmoon" and (temporarily) "Gleb Gamow".

Signature:

HM71xTAaD8xyx7ciTaPTmKLBp7Y7Rzm9uQ5MIdhUJh6ZVUPtz2mAEsiyI/4BS5ZQVDnsSnHSWWBw4ur5UjzgxAU=

I don't think this is the attitude someone on DT should have.
If your account gets compromised then it's free to scam people out of anything. You might not put value on your own account, but someone else would.

Well, I would obviously post a warning if I ever lose the account and would request it to be banned/removed from DT/red-tagged etc. But I hear what you're saying. Will fix that soon.

Quoting suchmoon post as it is and the message was successfully verified using http://brainwalletx.github.io/#verify?vrAddr=1A8DePhATaFEyNBJpuybCA8oYUUZEgUraP&vrMsg=This%20is%20suchmoon%202018-06-17.%20I%20control%20bitcointalk%20accounts%20"suchmoon"%20and%20(temporarily)%20"Gleb%20Gamow".&vrSig=HM71xTAaD8xyx7ciTaPTmKLBp7Y7Rzm9uQ5MIdhUJh6ZVUPtz2mAEsiyI%2F4BS5ZQVDnsSnHSWWBw4ur5UjzgxAU%3D

[suchmoon]

Staked the address here as well:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg40261816#msg40261816

[jackg]

Suchmoon has at least one old address 1A8DePhATaFEyNBJpuybCA8oYUUZEgUraP (https://web.archive.org/web/20140403105622/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=234771), if you still have access to it you can sign a message with it...although I don't consider this mandatory.

Nice job, thanks. I found it also posted in one of my threads:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=514242 (post has been edited but last edit was 3 years ago).

Message (one line):

This is suchmoon 2018-06-17. I control bitcointalk accounts "suchmoon" and (temporarily) "Gleb Gamow".

Signature:

HM71xTAaD8xyx7ciTaPTmKLBp7Y7Rzm9uQ5MIdhUJh6ZVUPtz2mAEsiyI/4BS5ZQVDnsSnHSWWBw4ur5UjzgxAU=

Message verified using bitcoin core v0.16.0 (to add to what InvoKing said)

I don't think this is the attitude someone on DT should have.
If your account gets compromised then it's free to scam people out of anything. You might not put value on your own account, but someone else would.

Well, I would obviously post a warning if I ever lose the account and would request it to be banned/removed from DT/red-tagged etc. But I hear what you're saying. Will fix that soon.

Yes please do fix that asap.
Otherwise, when you report the account being hacked, most will think you're just a newbie who has a issue with you and won't do anything to act on changing your trust.

[digaran]

If I lose my account I'll just start over.

You'd start over perhaps you'd also ask Blazed and dooglus to include your new account on DT2 as well so that you could roam the forum and tag whomever you want, buy any account and expect us to trust you on your words.

[vit05]

just wondering, if Hilariousandco can see the PM of  the user, then he can find from the AGLD pms, who bought this account?
Who are  the potential buyers of this account.
Should not we publish and red tag all the potential buyers of  this account, including OP?

AFAIK global mod can only see reported PM. theymos is the only person who's able to see all PMs.

I did not know about it, although I knew that this functionality existed in such forums. Is it possible for him to use this function when he receives a request to rescue hacked or blocked accounts?
Is there any record of when the PM was viewed by a third account?

[digaran]

I did not know about it, although I knew that this functionality existed in such forums. Is it possible for him to use this function when he receives a request to rescue hacked or blocked accounts?
Is there any record of when the PM was viewed by a third account?

Only admin has access to PMs without anybody reporting them, global mods could only see a PM if you report the PM and select global mod as the viewer.
Please refrain from this kind of question asking on such topics.

[Lutpin]

That somebody right now is me and I'm quite confident I was dealing with Bruno:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg40211259#msg40211259

So from my point of view the timeline is this:

1) Bruno needs money, makes the ill-conceived decision to sell the Gleb Gamow account.
2) Some sales action takes place, including PMs, but I don't believe the account changes hands.
2a) I can't explain the changes in posting style though Bruno is known for elaborate trollery so...
3) Unable to sell the account Bruno enrolls in a sig campaign to make money.
4) PMs get published, Bruno gets red-tagged and loses campaign revenue.
5) I make an offer to prevent the account from falling into malicious hands should Bruno decide to sell it again.
6) Bruno takes me up on my offer and now I temporarily control the account. When/if Bruno gets it back I will state so publicly.

Even if I'm wrong about some part of this, the fact is the account is in my hands. I'm fully aware of the irony given my stance against account sales and sockpuppetry and the aforementioned impossibility of proving account ownership but I've already stated I won't be using it for anything so it will be really easy to see if I'm telling the truth or not.

Hopefully this puts an end to the drama. Given the circumstances it seemed to me like the best way out. I would appreciate if you could remove neg trust as I don't believe Bruno deserves it but that's really up to you.

I've left a neutral tag refering to your post (and quoting it now for reference as well), contact me in case the situation changes in any way and I'll make sure to adjust my feedback based on the new situation.

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Gleb would never sell his account(s). Never.

Joking aside, the OP is an asshat. No proof.

[jackg]

Gleb would never sell his account(s). Never.

Joking aside, the OP is an asshat. No proof.

Errrr Read This:

That somebody right now is me and I'm quite confident I was dealing with Bruno:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg40211259#msg40211259

So from my point of view the timeline is this:

1) Bruno needs money, makes the ill-conceived decision to sell the Gleb Gamow account.
2) Some sales action takes place, including PMs, but I don't believe the account changes hands.
2a) I can't explain the changes in posting style though Bruno is known for elaborate trollery so...
3) Unable to sell the account Bruno enrolls in a sig campaign to make money.
4) PMs get published, Bruno gets red-tagged and loses campaign revenue.
5) I make an offer to prevent the account from falling into malicious hands should Bruno decide to sell it again.
6) Bruno takes me up on my offer and now I temporarily control the account. When/if Bruno gets it back I will state so publicly.

Even if I'm wrong about some part of this, the fact is the account is in my hands. I'm fully aware of the irony given my stance against account sales and sockpuppetry and the aforementioned impossibility of proving account ownership but I've already stated I won't be using it for anything so it will be really easy to see if I'm telling the truth or not.

Hopefully this puts an end to the drama. Given the circumstances it seemed to me like the best way out. I would appreciate if you could remove neg trust as I don't believe Bruno deserves it but that's really up to you.

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That isn't a sale. That's a rental/pawn. OP didn't post proof. That remains true.

[digaran]

That isn't a sale. That's a rental/pawn. OP didn't post proof. That remains true.

Yes that is a rental/pawn. alright.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4476580.0

[Lutpin]

Suchmoon should be given negative trust.  It is setting a dangerous precedent if we allow high ranked users to break the rules of this forum.

What's this "dangerous precedent" that is being set here?
Suchmoon offering to lend Bruno money for an indefinite amount of time, meanwhile securing the GG account, so it cannot be sold or used for any possibly malicious action, is that it?
The way I see it, suchmoon helped a bitcoiner in need and eliminated a possible risk with their decision.

If suchmoon uses the account in any way (be it signature campaigns, any other posting, trading, or in the worst case leaving feedback), then yes, this is a problematic situation that should be addressed.
But as long as suchmoon's control over the account simply means they are locking anyone else (either Bruno or a possible buyer) from using the account to cause harm, I do not see the problem/danger here.