[ANN][AUTO-SWITCH] Profit-switch auto-exchange pool: CleverMining.com

[Terk]

Hello, i have tried the pool but i have a massive amount of rejected( 27000+ ) compared to accepted( 2900 ).
I don't know what is happening on the pool, but i don't think it's normal.
The site itself is very beautiful, i only suggest to give stats displaying a more aggressive timing.
Other than that good work your for your project.

Please try to lower intensity on your miner. Other users had similar problem and it helped them bring back rejected shares to normal.

We're sometimes mining fast and low difficult coins. They require lower intensity.

[Terk]

I like the way you show the stats
I think that, besides of hardware/software issues, one of the biggest problem of multipools is that, when they get bigger, they cannot mine the REALLY most profitable coin without increasing that coin difficulty too much. Maybe splicing the pool could resolve it ?

I have some ideas on how to implement it and I will implement it as soon as we grow enough.

[byt411]

Hello, i have tried the pool but i have a massive amount of rejected( 27000+ ) compared to accepted( 2900 ).
I don't know what is happening on the pool, but i don't think it's normal.
The site itself is very beautiful, i only suggest to give stats displaying a more aggressive timing.
Other than that good work your for your project.

Not only that, please check that you have added "--scrypt" in CGMiner. If you are using GUIMiner, it won't work, since GUIMiner is only SHA256, and we are mining scrypt

[erre]

Hello, i have tried the pool but i have a massive amount of rejected( 27000+ ) compared to accepted( 2900 ).
I don't know what is happening on the pool, but i don't think it's normal.
The site itself is very beautiful, i only suggest to give stats displaying a more aggressive timing.
Other than that good work your for your project.

Not only that, please check that you have added "--scrypt" in CGMiner. If you are using GUIMiner, it won't work, since GUIMiner is only SHA256, and we are mining scrypt

Also, look at your "HW", hardware errors.
Anyway, i'm getting a somewhat high (5.2%) number of rejects too..

[Malaga]

Thanks for reply.
My config has --scrypt obviously and i'm using cgminer 3.7.2.
I will try to lower the intensity, but it's strange since other "multi-pools" i tried never had this problem. Nor other "normal" pools.

p.s. i have no hw errors, my config is stable so far.

[dimiro]

I will try to setup a cloud miner for this one.

Could someone please send me a good tutorial for setting it up?

Thanks

[zneww]

That's fine for now, i'll judge your pool only by profits made, but your reasonment here have a great bias: the variable here is the fees income, not the server cost. If your pools perform better than expected you could set LOWER fees, while in "bad days" you could need HIGHER fees to mantain the servers.
If you otherwise decided to set variable fees in the way you said for marketing reason it's more understandable. But, either ways, i think you should asap declare how much the fees actually are. No way to test if you're saying the truth since we don't know what coin we're mining so we can't do a accurate estimate of the expected profit (just some guesses based on net difficulty), but knowing how much fees you're paying make the user much more confortable.

PS: me too think that multipool owners are at most cheaters or incompetent. Never find a decent multipool till now (i.e. better than mining doge or whatever on a single pool with ~1%fees, switching coin every 1/2days), i really hope that yours is different

Unknown costs. I've just never ran a pool before so I don't know how powerful servers I'll need for this once more people join. I have been beta testing this software for a long time, but it was with 20 users only. I have no idea how it scales and what my costs will be.

And you are calling other pool operators incompetent? I am not saying you are but having never ran a pool i don't think you have much room to talk.

[Terk]

And you are calling other pool operators incompetent? I am not saying you are but having never ran a pool i don't think you have much room to talk.

You probably missed the “if” conditional in my sentence, so let me rewrite what I wrote in a different way: If I were taking sky-high-fees at my pool and still deliver comparable and/or better after-fee profitability than other profit-switch pools which take 1-3% fee, then it would mean either 1) they're incompetent because their results after 1-3% fee are comparable/worse than my results after sky-high-fee; or 2) their results are also higher but they silently cut more in fees that they claim.

Under no circumstances I am claiming or suggesting that any of these two variants are happening. It was just my way of writing that my upper fee cannot be very high, because I either would need to be some kind of a genius or all other pools would have to be stealing. While I  consider myself pretty smart dude, I believe none of these two is true so there's a third variant left which is my fee isn't sky-high. I'm sorry for misunderstanding, English isn't my native language. Please give me some time to test and tweak this progressive fee idea before I settle with some final model.

[MysteryX]

Pointed 17 mh/s here for a test run, still over 15% rejects after a couple hours, not looking good but i hope it works itself out.

[Terk]

Pointed 17 mh/s here for a test run, still over 15% rejects after a couple hours, not looking good but i hope it works itself out.

Try lowering intensity just a little bit.

I'd appreciate if some users more experienced in mining and tweaking miner settings could help with some FAQ on how to best configure miners for coin-switch and/or low difficulty / fast-blocks coins.

[jpmi1]

I seem to be missing 1mh??

[byt411]

I seem to be missing 1mh??

You mean you pointed your miner at this pool and its not showing? It takes maximum of an hour to load.

Terk, ya got 150 users now!

BTW, i see some stupid workers, such as bjbrinc.workerSledge and jeaker.cpu

[BrianB]

I'm still getting 15% rejects which is way higher than other multipools on other fast coins.... No idea why, but rigs have been stable for a long time on other pools so I will have to switch for now and hope that some update is found.  Please let me know!

[Speedie]

Looks promising! I couldn't see any way to set up separate workers though? I'd like to point 5 rigs (20MH/s) at this for a split test with another pool. Just concerned if Vardiff will play nicely without separate workers, or if I'll end up with a stratospheric work difficulty.

Edit: I understand that even with a high work difficulty it all ends up about the same in terms of accepted work, but statistical variance blah blah  

There is no workers feature (yet), but the vardiff should work fine. I had an user with 70 MH/s during beta and it was working fine.

Also, maximum difficulty is only 512.

Awesome, thanks for the fast reply.

I switched one rig over earlier, but since switching two more they all seem to be getting frequent stratum disconnects and lost work:

[16:12:27] Accepted 38e68661 Diff 1.15K/256 GPU 2 at Pool 1
 [16:13:57] Stratum connection to Pool 1 interrupted
 [16:13:57] Lost 29 shares due to stratum disconnect on Pool 1
 [16:13:58] Pool 1 difficulty changed to 256
 [16:14:11] Pool 1 difficulty changed to 512
 [16:14:11] Accepted 4b30b7af Diff 872/256 GPU 3 at Pool 1
 [16:14:24] Accepted 39d2033c Diff 1.13K/512 GPU 1 at Pool 1
 [16:14:26] Accepted 3e3f5fd8 Diff 1.05K/512 GPU 4 at Pool 1
 [16:15:56] Stratum connection to Pool 1 interrupted
 [16:15:56] Lost 15 shares due to stratum disconnect on Pool 1
 [16:15:57] Pool 1 difficulty changed to 256
 [16:16:05] Accepted 0590558f Diff 11.8K/256 GPU 2 at Pool 1
 [16:16:16] Accepted f91a7ac0 Diff 263/256 GPU 4 at Pool 1

I notice that the hash power pointed at the pool has almost quadrupled in the last few hours. If this is this just growing pains, do you have a timeline on adding more capacity please? I don't want to switch all 40MH/s over if you're about at (or slightly over) capacity as that doesn't benefit either party.

[Kenshin]

And you are calling other pool operators incompetent? I am not saying you are but having never ran a pool i don't think you have much room to talk.

You probably missed the “if” conditional in my sentence, so let me rewrite what I wrote in a different way: If I were taking sky-high-fees at my pool and still deliver comparable and/or better after-fee profitability than other profit-switch pools which take 1-3% fee, then it would mean either 1) they're incompetent because their results after 1-3% fee are comparable/worse than my results after sky-high-fee; or 2) their results are also higher but they silently cut more in fees that they claim.

Under no circumstances I am claiming or suggesting that any of these two variants are happening. It was just my way of writing that my upper fee cannot be very high, because I either would need to be some kind of a genius or all other pools would have to be stealing. While I  consider myself pretty smart dude, I believe none of these two is true so there's a third variant left which is my fee isn't sky-high. I'm sorry for misunderstanding, English isn't my native language. Please give me some time to test and tweak this progressive fee idea before I settle with some final model.

As one of the first beta tester for Terk, I have to say other pool operators are either incompetent or greedy.  

[Terk]

I notice that the hash power pointed at the pool has almost quadrupled in the last few hours. If this is this just growing pains, do you have a timeline on adding more capacity please? I don't want to switch all 40MH/s over if you're about at (or slightly over) capacity as that doesn't benefit either party.

I have no capacity problems at the moment. I deployed more powerful servers than I thought are needed just to be on the safe side (I can easily downgrade/upgrade as they're cloud servers, so I will adjust it in a few days) and I am constantly monitoring performance. The stratum server currently has only 9% of RAM taken and only 1.5% CPU busy. So this is definitely not performance problems and the pool is ready for more users.

Not sure what causes your disconnect issues. If you could provide me your username (here or PM) I could check if there's anything suspicious in logs.

[jpmi1]

My problem seems to be fixing now just had to wait an hour.

[Terk]

My problem seems to be fixing now just had to wait an hour.

Hourly stats are... hourly stats. If for example you have 2 MH/s and joined at half an hour, then you've been mining only for 30 minutes during the first hour so your first hour average will be 1 MH/s (30 min with 2 MH/s and 30 min with 0 MH/s).

[timmeh]

I am seeing the random disconnects aswell.

[drslash]

I won't consider your mining pool unless you are upfront with your maximum fee percentage. "Trust me" that it's not too high won't fly. It's a matter of full disclosure for the "buyer".