[ANN][AUTO-SWITCH] Profit-switch auto-exchange pool: CleverMining.com

[Slow1]

about 6 % rejects atm. Think I have to swap to middlecoin again until there's an eu server

How has your net value of the BTC allocated to you (even with the rejects) compare to the net value of what you get from middlecoin?

I'll have to say that after more than 24hrs on this one I'm debating going back to Doge exclusively as it seems I may not be getting as much value here - I'm getting close to 10% rejects...

[Terk]

Yesterday's profitability wasn't that good because of the terrible disconnection problems. Today's values are better.

I am still fighting some technical problems and I hope that rejects ratio will drop soon. Rejects average is still two times higher than it was during the closed beta. I'm working on this.

[Wole]

I have 3.4% rejects and I'm in Europe with 200-ish ms to the pool. Seems OK.

[erre]

Rejects ratio is still a bit high, but the pool was performing pretty good for me in the past 24 hours.

Keep tweaking your work, things start to work great now  

[byt411]

I am in Spain (Europe), getting 7% rejects last 19 hours.

[zneww]

What is the pool fee? Are the number on stats pages before or after fee?
All numbers are after fee, so they are your actual earnings. Our fee is progressive and depends on how good we perform in a given day. On good days we take a bit higher fee but on bad days we take very little fee. This ensures that your profits aren't hit that much on a bad day. Our fee during bad days is as low as 1%.

How high does it get on a "good day"? This seems to have been intentionally left out.

I asked this couple pages back and couldn't get a straight answer.

[Wole]

Just got my first payment. Sweet, sweet Bitcoins. 

What is the pool fee? Are the number on stats pages before or after fee?
All numbers are after fee, so they are your actual earnings. Our fee is progressive and depends on how good we perform in a given day. On good days we take a bit higher fee but on bad days we take very little fee. This ensures that your profits aren't hit that much on a bad day. Our fee during bad days is as low as 1%.

How high does it get on a "good day"? This seems to have been intentionally left out.

I asked this couple pages back and couldn't get a straight answer.

I didn't decide on the final model yet. I need to test the pool with more hashrate and more than 20 users that I had during closed beta. I never ran a pool before and I don't know what will be my server costs with hundreds of users. I am testing and tweaking this algorithm and don't want to commit to final numbers yet. For now please judge if it's worth to mine here based on post-fee profitability and please give me some time to test and tweak things.

[XliptTit]

Things are improving

After 12 hours of continuos mining a got around 6% rejects and 1,5 % stales in 2 machines and 3% reject and 1,5% stale in another.Wayyyyy better than the 20% reject I first got and the latter 10%.I live in Brazil and my btc adress 1MbyxkJGxQzpzPCWa6dXnQYJvtNei1h9ny and 18MEFUcfHiQdEDMe3GKfW16FTAFhX6WhBA

Stales only appeared in the last 4 hours, they were 0 before.

Keep the good work Terk, I am sticking with you.

[Sovietaced]

I am skeptical of the profitability ratings as it seems the only coin that comes remotely close to satisfying that profitability rating is DOGE. If it's legit, bravo.

[Terk]

I am skeptical of the profitability ratings as it seems the only coin that comes remotely close to satisfying that profitability rating is DOGE. If it's legit, bravo.

Of course it's legit. There are ongoing payouts to users based on these numbers.

I agree that the only coin that has similar average long-term profitability is DOGE. But the whole point of coin-switching pool is to pick up a coin that only temporarily has good profitability and then switch to another coin that suddenly started being profitable. This is what this pool does.

Actually we're not even mining DOGE at all. We have too little hashpower for this. All these results come from other coins than DOGE. I really hope that we'll grow quickly to a point where we could start including DOGE as well.

[Slow1]

I agree that the only coin that has similar average long-term profitability is DOGE. But the whole point of coin-switching pool is to pick up a coin that only temporarily has good profitability and then switch to another coin that suddenly started being profitable. This is what this pool does.

Actually we're not even mining DOGE at all. We have too little hashpower for this. All these results come from other coins than DOGE. I really hope that we'll grow quickly to a point where we could start including DOGE as well.

Can you explain more on this as it seems with 375Mh/s you do have considerable power.

Another related topic; It would be nice if you could have a section on your site that gives more details on what users are contributing.  I've been trying to figure out how different changes are affecting my rejects.  I"ve had up to 15% that I've seen and as low as 5.8%.  The average of my observations seems to be about 9.8%.  Neither your "hash rate" or my rejects seems to exactly match cgminer's output (consistently shows > 1.7Mh yet you show my 24hr average at 1.5Mh/s).  Since clearly some coins are more profitable than others and switches come w/o warning I am finding it very difficult to tweak for reductions.

If you (or anyone else) has suggestions on optimizing, I'm willing to try any reasonable thing.

[chilin_dude]

At what network hashrate will you enable doge?

[XliptTit]

I agree that the only coin that has similar average long-term profitability is DOGE. But the whole point of coin-switching pool is to pick up a coin that only temporarily has good profitability and then switch to another coin that suddenly started being profitable. This is what this pool does.

Actually we're not even mining DOGE at all. We have too little hashpower for this. All these results come from other coins than DOGE. I really hope that we'll grow quickly to a point where we could start including DOGE as well.

Can you explain more on this as it seems with 375Mh/s you do have considerable power.

Another related topic; It would be nice if you could have a section on your site that gives more details on what users are contributing.  I've been trying to figure out how different changes are affecting my rejects.  I"ve had up to 15% that I've seen and as low as 5.8%.  The average of my observations seems to be about 9.8%.  Neither your "hash rate" or my rejects seems to exactly match cgminer's output (consistently shows > 1.7Mh yet you show my 24hr average at 1.5Mh/s).  Since clearly some coins are more profitable than others and switches come w/o warning I am finding it very difficult to tweak for reductions.

If you (or anyone else) has suggestions on optimizing, I'm willing to try any reasonable thing.

We dont have enought power for Doge because we don't mine in other people pool's. according to this site http://bitinfocharts.com/dogecoin/ dogecoin Netwrok hashrate is about 80 000 Ghs, even if we had 1 ghs we would still be aprox 1/80 000 of the network power which wouldnt be enought do generate a new block consistently in the timeframe of coin switchs.

I added --scan-time 1 and --expiry 1 . I am not sure if it was this change or a server tweak but my rejects decreased. I am having the same variance in reject as you. The latest trick I found, that I am still analizyng if it works, is to boot the miner, wait 15 minutes, if the reject rate is to high I reboot it, if not I let it be.Repeat process.As of now, I got 3 miners with about 40 minutes of mining with 0% 2,5% and 3% of rejected + stales.

[Wole]

We dont have enought power for Doge because we don't mine in other people pool's. according to this site http://bitinfocharts.com/dogecoin/ dogecoin Netwrok hashrate is about 80 000 Ghs, even if we had 1 ghs we would still be aprox 1/80 000 of the network power which wouldnt be enought do generate a new block consistently in the timeframe of coin switchs.

That is a decimal. It is 89.805 GH/s at the moment, not 89 thousand.

[XliptTit]

Ow, lol sorry anyway doge block is 1 minutes, if we had 1 gh/s we would need, in average, 80 minutes to get 1 block. I am not sure how often we switch coins but I think it is in the basis of 2-4 or more switchs per hour. I think 10 gh/s would be a decent number for mining doge, this is just my opinion throw out of the blue , without any proper calculations.

[Terk]

Thank you guys for brainstorming optimal miner settings. This is not really my area of expertise but sharing your experiences will help you all to setup your miners the best way.

Neither your "hash rate" or my rejects seems to exactly match cgminer's output (consistently shows > 1.7Mh yet you show my 24hr average at 1.5Mh/s).

Please remember that 24h average takes summary data from the last 24 hours and divides by 24. So if haven't been mining the full 24 hours, it will show less. For example if you have 2 MH/s and you've been mining for 12 hours, the 24 hour average will show 1 MH/s as it's 12h*2MHs + 12h*0MHs = 1MH/s average.

On your user page you have a 24-hour hashrate chart (you need to switch the tab to it) and you can check the data from there.

Regarding doge: at its current difficulty I'd like to have at least 2 GH/s and preferably 4 GH/s to start mining it.

[Slow1]

Yes I have had 24hrs of stable (relatively speaking) runtime.  At least no failovers that I know of.

Looking at the chart, my hashrate seems to jump quite a bit hour to hour which simply doesn't make sense to me.  The reported reject rates on the page is only for the last hour (I do believe, correct me if wrong) so I can't really know if I'm having massively greater rejects during the times reported.  I'm seeing what looks like 1.25-1.75 rates over the last 24hrs which is a significant variance.

My overall 24hr rate is reported as 1.5Mh

[XliptTit]

24 hours average does not compute like you said Terk.

I am mining at 18MEFUcfHiQdEDMe3GKfW16FTAFhX6WhBA for 4 hours at maximum and i got a 4.7 average(5.2 last hour). The way I thinks it handles average is by only using the 1 hours time frames that the user submited shares. So for example: If i mined from 00:00  to 01:30, the program will get my medium hashrate from 00:00-01:00 + my medium hashrate from 01:00-02:00 and divides by two, as I didnt mine past 01:30 I will see a lower number than expected.

I am still tweaking the miner..

[ixobelle]

I ran with it for one full day, still having no idea how the fees work, but figured I'd report back.

I push around 8 MH, but had some ups and downs:

https://i.imgur.com/k7jcG3y.png

One thing I LOVE is the stats breakdown, and general feel of the UI. Terk has done a great job on this.

That said, one thing that was unclear to me was the profit breakdown. Looking at the above image, I assumed my total "IN POCKET" was .09227644, and that I still had 0.04031886 coming to me. This was great, as I assumed I would break .13 in a day! It wouldn't be unheard of, but seemed like it was a bit above what I was getting at my current pool.

However, after looking closer at my deposits:

https://i.imgur.com/ehR8i7V.png

I found that the green total already counts the expected as well. This isn't terrible, the wording is a bit funky, though... now I would know to just look at the "total profits" figure alone. Yes, semantics can be argued. Whatever. I'm just reporting on what I saw, and how I was excited for a sec, then let down.

If I didn't love the folks over at TradeMyBit so much, I could see myself sticking with Terk here. I will definitely put him down as my failover, at the very least, and keep my eye on them as their hash (and my own) grows.


One other thing that made me say "hmm": http://www.clevermining.com/users/page/4  <<< who the hell are these people clogging up the bottom of the charts? laptops? people who mined for 37 seconds? testing data?

[Terk]

24 hours average does not compute like you said Terk.

I am mining at 18MEFUcfHiQdEDMe3GKfW16FTAFhX6WhBA for 4 hours at maximum and i got a 4.7 average(5.2 last hour). The way I thinks it handles average is by only using the 1 hours time frames that the user submited shares. So for example: If i mined from 00:00  to 01:30, the program will get my medium hashrate from 00:00-01:00 + my medium hashrate from 01:00-02:00 and divides by two, as I didnt mine past 01:30 I will see a lower number than expected.

I am still tweaking the miner..

Ahh, you're right. It was working like I described before, but I changed it to include only hours with any hashrate from user. I just forgot that I changed this, sorry. I am hardly sleeping last days.