Too late for joining Bitcoin, which altcoin is best?

[bnrrpayments]

Oh, one of those. Bitcoin is not a pyramid anything. It's not a ponzi either. Get your definitions straight, read up on how bitcoin works, come back in two weeks and present your findings.

I've been reading about Bitcoin for over half a year and have no slightest doubt about it being a pyramid scheme, along with all altcoins.

Why do you come to a bitcoin forum, call bitcoin a ponzi and then ask us for our good advice on which ponzi scheme is better? you are not speculating, you are gambling.

It's not a ponzi or a pyramid mate.....

Because he is butthurt for not being near the top of the pyramid

Yes, true - that's why I seek those where I would be.

[knight22]

Whatever, I have my strong opinion and I'm not into arguing about its nature. It's nonetheless a lucrative object of speculation to me, and so are the altcoins. No one really needs them for payments - one can make payments with the more conventional tools in a lot more convenient way. Yet touting and speculating the hell out of it is the way to go.

Please send me dollars here: 1GZMd9ZsGxAQnHbtPAZYm1jHuxvtd2Mie
Oh wait...

[chessnut]

Which number seems implausible to you?  The current world's population?  The number of bitcoins that will exist?  2.1E10 divided by 7E9?  Cause they're pretty much facts, aren't they, unless I made an arithmetic error?

Sometimes I think the color of the sky seems implausible, especially at sunset, nevertheless it is what it is.  It hardly seems worth arguing that established facts seem implausible.

Bitcoin's eventual mass adoption is implausible to me.

If bitcoin doesnt appeal to the mainstream, then none will. Bitcoin is the friendliest decentralised currency to regulation. If you are asking for a centralised crypto like googlecoin. go for it. but that will be unacceptably vulnerable to attack, and prone to corruption like our current banking system.
Bitcoin can appeal to the mainstream, just leave that up to the software developers.

[chessnut]

Oh, one of those. Bitcoin is not a pyramid anything. It's not a ponzi either. Get your definitions straight, read up on how bitcoin works, come back in two weeks and present your findings.

I've been reading about Bitcoin for over half a year and have no slightest doubt about it being a pyramid scheme, along with all altcoins.

Why do you come to a bitcoin forum, call bitcoin a ponzi and then ask us for our good advice on which ponzi scheme is better? you are not speculating, you are gambling.

It's not a ponzi or a pyramid mate.....

Whatever, I have my strong opinion and I'm not into arguing about its nature. It's nonetheless a lucrative object of speculation to me, and so are the altcoins. No one really needs them for payments - one can make payments with the more conventional tools in a lot more convenient way. Yet touting and speculating the hell out of it is the way to go.

If you did your research you would know that bitcoin has the potential to save firms billions of dollars in transaction fees and widen profit margins for large corporations. It is a billion dollar industry and eventually it will be more convenient and cheaper than using a credit card.

[seleme]

Oh, one of those. Bitcoin is not a pyramid anything. It's not a ponzi either. Get your definitions straight, read up on how bitcoin works, come back in two weeks and present your findings.

I've been reading about Bitcoin for over half a year and have no slightest doubt about it being a pyramid scheme, along with all altcoins.

Why do you come to a bitcoin forum, call bitcoin a ponzi and then ask us for our good advice on which ponzi scheme is better? you are not speculating, you are gambling.

It's not a ponzi or a pyramid mate.....

Because he is butthurt for not being near the top of the pyramid

Yes, true - that's why I seek those where I would be.

Good luck

[Peter R]

Whatever, I have my strong opinion and I'm not into arguing about its nature. It's nonetheless a lucrative object of speculation to me, and so are the altcoins. No one really needs them for payments - one can make payments with the more conventional tools in a lot more convenient way. Yet touting and speculating the hell out of it is the way to go.

Please send me dollars here: 1GZMd9ZsGxAQnHbtPAZYm1jHuxvtd2Mie

But you don't understand knight22: only money launderers, child pornographers, terrorists and libertarians would ever want to send money to a person over the internet.  Normal people are happy swiping their Visas and only dealing with big companies. 

[bnrrpayments]

Which number seems implausible to you?  The current world's population?  The number of bitcoins that will exist?  2.1E10 divided by 7E9?  Cause they're pretty much facts, aren't they, unless I made an arithmetic error?

Sometimes I think the color of the sky seems implausible, especially at sunset, nevertheless it is what it is.  It hardly seems worth arguing that established facts seem implausible.

Bitcoin's eventual mass adoption is implausible to me.

If bitcoin doesnt appeal to the mainstream, then none will. Bitcoin is the friendliest decentralised currency to regulation. If you are asking for a centralised crypto like googlecoin. go for it. but that will be unacceptably vulnerable to attack, and prone to corruption like our current banking system.
Bitcoin can appeal to the mainstream, just leave that up to the software developers.

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

[Peter R]

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

+1

Government is like a big warm hug when you're feeling down.

[chessnut]

Which number seems implausible to you?  The current world's population?  The number of bitcoins that will exist?  2.1E10 divided by 7E9?  Cause they're pretty much facts, aren't they, unless I made an arithmetic error?

Sometimes I think the color of the sky seems implausible, especially at sunset, nevertheless it is what it is.  It hardly seems worth arguing that established facts seem implausible.

Bitcoin's eventual mass adoption is implausible to me.

If bitcoin doesnt appeal to the mainstream, then none will. Bitcoin is the friendliest decentralised currency to regulation. If you are asking for a centralised crypto like googlecoin. go for it. but that will be unacceptably vulnerable to attack, and prone to corruption like our current banking system.
Bitcoin can appeal to the mainstream, just leave that up to the software developers.

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

The government dont have a choice. you cant beat maths with guns. they cant stop anybody owning and using a crypto graphic currency. The government also acknowledges that this technology is here to stay. they are not talking about centralised cryptos, they are talking about decentralised cryptos - and bitcoin is the front runner.
They have incentive to embrace bitcoin too, because they do not want it to be replaced by a crypto with a tumbled public ledger that will be harder to regulate.

[bnrrpayments]

Which number seems implausible to you?  The current world's population?  The number of bitcoins that will exist?  2.1E10 divided by 7E9?  Cause they're pretty much facts, aren't they, unless I made an arithmetic error?

Sometimes I think the color of the sky seems implausible, especially at sunset, nevertheless it is what it is.  It hardly seems worth arguing that established facts seem implausible.

Bitcoin's eventual mass adoption is implausible to me.

If bitcoin doesnt appeal to the mainstream, then none will. Bitcoin is the friendliest decentralised currency to regulation. If you are asking for a centralised crypto like googlecoin. go for it. but that will be unacceptably vulnerable to attack, and prone to corruption like our current banking system.
Bitcoin can appeal to the mainstream, just leave that up to the software developers.

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

The government dont have a choice. you cant beat maths with guns. they cant stop anybody owning and using a crypto graphic currency. The government also acknowledges that this technology is here to stay. they are not talking about centralised cryptos, they are talking about decentralised cryptos - and bitcoin is the front runner.
They have incentive to embrace bitcoin too, because they do not want it to be replaced by a crypto with a tumbled public ledger that will be harder to regulate.

If governments ever went with a crypto, they would first make damn sure it's under their full control and regulation or else they're no longer governing anything.

[knight22]

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

Until the day that people will be fed up of being fucked in the ass and realize there is alternatives

[knight22]

If governments ever went with a crypto, they would first make damn sure it's under their full control and regulation or else they're no longer governing anything.

And how do you expect governments of the world to reach an agreements to launch a fully international crypto?

[chessnut]

Which number seems implausible to you?  The current world's population?  The number of bitcoins that will exist?  2.1E10 divided by 7E9?  Cause they're pretty much facts, aren't they, unless I made an arithmetic error?

Sometimes I think the color of the sky seems implausible, especially at sunset, nevertheless it is what it is.  It hardly seems worth arguing that established facts seem implausible.

Bitcoin's eventual mass adoption is implausible to me.

If bitcoin doesnt appeal to the mainstream, then none will. Bitcoin is the friendliest decentralised currency to regulation. If you are asking for a centralised crypto like googlecoin. go for it. but that will be unacceptably vulnerable to attack, and prone to corruption like our current banking system.
Bitcoin can appeal to the mainstream, just leave that up to the software developers.

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

The government dont have a choice. you cant beat maths with guns. they cant stop anybody owning and using a crypto graphic currency. The government also acknowledges that this technology is here to stay. they are not talking about centralised cryptos, they are talking about decentralised cryptos - and bitcoin is the front runner.
They have incentive to embrace bitcoin too, because they do not want it to be replaced by a crypto with a tumbled public ledger that will be harder to regulate.

If governments ever went with a crypto, they would first make damn sure it's under their full control and regulation or else they're no longer governing anything.

you are talking binary - anything is possible.
bitcoin will expel only the corporate part of government. thats the bit that costs us the most, and the bit we need least.
Rome fell...... china fell...... USA will fall.....

[keithers]

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

Until the day that people will be fed up of being fucked in the ass and realize there is alternatives

The masses will figure it out sooner or later...most people just like to live in denial, and find peace of mind in thinking that their government is looking out for them.   In the bottom of their heart, they know that is not the case...

[bnrrpayments]

If governments ever went with a crypto, they would first make damn sure it's under their full control and regulation or else they're no longer governing anything.

And how do you expect governments of the world to reach an agreements to launch a fully international crypto?

They might have each their own national crypto just as well, with all sorts of country-specific regulations and variations.

[bnrrpayments]

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

Until the day that people will be fed up of being fucked in the ass and realize there is alternatives

The masses will figure it out sooner or later...most people just like to live in denial, and find peace of mind in thinking that their government is looking out for them.   In the bottom of their heart, they know that is not the case...

The masses are horribly lazy. It's takes incomparably less effort to remain in denial than to work toward restructuring the system or even do anything at all for that matter.

[chessnut]

If governments ever went with a crypto, they would first make damn sure it's under their full control and regulation or else they're no longer governing anything.

And how do you expect governments of the world to reach an agreements to launch a fully international crypto?

They might have each their own national crypto just as well, with all sorts of country-specific regulations and variations.

You cannot create a national crypto. the internet is borderless. If you are talking about a centralised national crypto, well there is nothing special about that idea.

[bnrrpayments]

If governments ever went with a crypto, they would first make damn sure it's under their full control and regulation or else they're no longer governing anything.

And how do you expect governments of the world to reach an agreements to launch a fully international crypto?

They might have each their own national crypto just as well, with all sorts of country-specific regulations and variations.

You cannot create a national crypto. the internet is borderless. If you are talking about a centralised national crypto, well there is nothing special about that idea.

A specific government's recognition and support will make it appealing to the masses, and that's what will make it very special.

Don't you "pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands"? Because the masses fucking do.

[knight22]

Governments will never give up their monopoly on money, and with the government bans, Bitcoin won't appeal to the masses. The masses find their comfort in governments and always turn to them for guidance, advice, and comfort.

Until the day that people will be fed up of being fucked in the ass and realize there is alternatives

The masses will figure it out sooner or later...most people just like to live in denial, and find peace of mind in thinking that their government is looking out for them.   In the bottom of their heart, they know that is not the case...

The masses are horribly lazy. It's takes incomparably less effort to remain in denial than to work toward restructuring the system or even do anything at all for that matter.

Well you should take notes on what is happening right now in Cyprus almost a year after the bails-in

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg4911291#msg4911291
http://letstalkbitcoin.com/speculative/#.UvMOb7SJJ64 starting at 13min
http://www.neo-bee.com/

[chessnut]

If governments ever went with a crypto, they would first make damn sure it's under their full control and regulation or else they're no longer governing anything.

And how do you expect governments of the world to reach an agreements to launch a fully international crypto?

They might have each their own national crypto just as well, with all sorts of country-specific regulations and variations.

You cannot create a national crypto. the internet is borderless. If you are talking about a centralised national crypto, well there is nothing special about that idea.

A specific government's recognition and support will make it appealing to the masses, and that's what will make it very special.

Don't you "pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands"? Because the masses fucking do.

yeah just like the system we have now. everyone loves that system....
A national centralised currency will change nothing. bitcoin can bring down that system.
I dont pledge alliance to any flag especially the USA.....