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October 04, 2018, 12:09:39 PM
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I want to clear about one thing, copy paste own post will consider plagiarism or only spam ? I have seen few user just copy paste same post all over forum. Although I send PM to moderator , but I want to know clearly.
Note : moderators has taken action those profile are report by pm.

I've reported quite a few of these type of posts over the last 2 days - where a user writes the exact same two/three sentence reply in multiple threads - but so far none of the users (or posts) have been nuked.

And on that note, since this is Welsh's thread and he's a moderator in altcoin/announcements, I have a backlog of 43 unhandled reports mostly for plagiarism and duplicate posting as described above. Also, several of the users I reported appear to be engaging in paid bumping as they are having nonsensical conversations among themselves: amani, BTCFaucets, btokman, Klacik, CoinNextE, Tiny_Prism, etc.

Really, the threads themselves should be locked as happened in the Roomdao case I relentlessly pursued a couple months ago.

EDIT - originally posted in the wrong thread so I moved it here.
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October 05, 2018, 11:37:47 PM
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I'm about to pad my good reports coming from bounty section soon, I can sense the BTC coming, and there are many bot-like posters there, but I have a question about the ban:
Anyone posting info from their bounty application (usernames, addresses, etc.) or anything alongside the lines of "joined X", "looking forward to getting X", "thanks for the opportunity", "filled out form", "signed up for X", "applied", "following / liked / retweeted X" when such data is not required or the requirement is against the forum's rules risk having their account banned. These are extremely low quality posts that generate massive amounts of spam, drowning out any legitimate discussion these threads may posses.
Is it temporary ban or permanent?
Probably entirely depends on the situation. Whether they are a serial "joined" spammer, and who is doing the banning. At the end of the day its at the global moderators/admins discretion whether its permanent or temporary.

Probably, because its not official, and also horribly formatted, and a little incomplete at the moment. I'm going away for a few weeks so will likely revisit it then. I tried to make some time before I go, but moderation is a little more important. I'll have a tonne more time when I return though.


I want to clear about one thing, copy paste own post will consider plagiarism or only spam ? I have seen few user just copy paste same post all over forum. Although I send PM to moderator , but I want to know clearly.
Note : moderators has taken action those profile are report by pm.
More than likely spam.

I've reported quite a few of these type of posts over the last 2 days - where a user writes the exact same two/three sentence reply in multiple threads - but so far none of the users (or posts) have been nuked.
Bare in mind that the users might have already been banned. We've been getting a tonne of reports for plagiarism where the user has already been banned prior to the report.

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October 05, 2018, 11:49:10 PM
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I want to clear about one thing, copy paste own post will consider plagiarism or only spam ? I have seen few user just copy paste same post all over forum. Although I send PM to moderator , but I want to know clearly.
Note : moderators has taken action those profile are report by pm.
More than likely spam.

For some reason I seem to think this came up in a ban appeals thread. I think they were treating it like any other copy/paste... now if there weren't a thousand of those threads I might be able to find it.


I was wondering do any Mods deal with Meta at all. I say this because the odd time I report a multiposter, usually giving them the chance to correct it themselves. If they don't these sometimes just get added to the unhandled section. I don't really care about the stats; just wondering if I should bother reporting these in Meta

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October 05, 2018, 11:54:24 PM
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I was wondering do any Mods deal with Meta at all. I say this because the odd time I report a multiposter, usually giving them the chance to correct it themselves. If they don't these sometimes just get added to the unhandled section. I don't really care about the stats; just wondering if I should bother reporting these in Meta
If its a newbie post then patrollers will get it. Otherwise, global moderators are the ones to deal with Meta reports as there's no dedicated moderator. Its the same for all other sections without a dedicated moderator.

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October 06, 2018, 05:45:28 PM
Last edit: October 07, 2018, 11:16:37 AM by MagicSmoker
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I've reported quite a few of these type of posts over the last 2 days - where a user writes the exact same two/three sentence reply in multiple threads - but so far none of the users (or posts) have been nuked.
Bare in mind that the users might have already been banned. We've been getting a tonne of reports for plagiarism where the user has already been banned prior to the report.


Hmm... a lot of my backlog was processed (and I finally made it over 300 good reports - woohoo!) and marked good, but some of those involved have been posting since then:

peetah - - last post was ~1 hour ago
slovenia1 - last post was ~3 hours ago
CoinNextE - last post was ~2 hours ago
boomertoo - last post was ~4 hours ago
kk777- last post was ~5 hours ago
amanai - last post was ~5 hours ago
Klacik - last post was ~4 hours ago
bitokman - newbie, last post was a few minutes ago

Who is it that can ban jr. members and up? Staff and global moderators, or can a section-specific moderator ban people found reported for violations in his/her section?

UPDATE - it looks like all of the above have stopped posting sometime yesterday (Oct 6). Bam!
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October 06, 2018, 07:02:40 PM
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Who is it that can ban jr. members and up? Staff and global moderators, or can a section-specific moderator ban people found reported for violations in his/her section?
With the new Jr member merit requirement a lot of newbies have more than 28 activity. Any of them with more than 28 activity cannot be nuked currently. Therefore, only Global moderators, and higher can ban them.

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October 06, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
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Would be maybe good if Mod's get the permissions to handle ( ban etc.) for Users without Merit , to possibly attach to the new merit rank system !

Is just such a suggestion !   Wink
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October 06, 2018, 07:26:39 PM
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Who is it that can ban jr. members and up? Staff and global moderators, or can a section-specific moderator ban people found reported for violations in his/her section?
With the new Jr member merit requirement a lot of newbies have more than 28 activity. Any of them with more than 28 activity cannot be nuked currently. Therefore, only Global moderators, and higher can ban them.

Crap, I figured something like that was in play. Theymos really needs to work out those trust issues and give mods more power (and hire a few more of them, too...).

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October 07, 2018, 11:38:44 AM
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I don't see why we are relying on the tiny number of global mods to do so much work here - patrollers should be able to ban all newbies regardless of activity, and all the major boards (BD, AD, Meta, etc) should have a dedicated mod or two. Would go a long way to reclaiming the spammier boards and making them usable again.

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October 11, 2018, 02:11:19 AM
Last edit: October 11, 2018, 02:33:21 AM by Steamtyme
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I have a weird situation here. I have already done what I felt was right but thought I'd bring it here anyways.

http://archive.is/NUtKs    Scroll to post # 377

I was going through a thread that as say has run it's course. When I do this I generally request it be locked, then I go through the last posts and report the Sig Spam, from at least the current payment period, usually about a week back.

When I all of a sudden had to stop and think.. do I really report Staff for "Redundant repetitive post- Sig Spam". This is one of the tags I use, not sure if it was that one today. In the end I reported it because it met my criteria.

From that I can't imagine there are many Staff that find themselves in that situation. I did try and look around to see where this member is "Staff" to get a gauge of their authority... what can I say not a fan of pissing people off with more power than myself. Especially when there is the opportunity for them to potentially abuse that power; not that I'm saying that would be the case here. I didn't come across them but though tI'd bring it here for general discussion to see if anyone else has had a similar experience.

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October 11, 2018, 02:28:52 AM
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When I all of a sudden had to stop and think.. do I really report Staff for "Redundant repetitive post- Sig Spam".

Why not? If you think rules have been broken you shouldn't let the "Staff" label stop you.

BTW "Staff" means a moderator of another board (Chinese in this case) so they probably won't see your report if you're worried about that. Not that it matters now after you posted this publicly Smiley

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October 11, 2018, 03:27:16 AM
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Why not? If you think rules have been broken you shouldn't let the "Staff" label stop you.
You're right and it didn't. It was more of a how to proceed, the same as anyone else, or through a PM or something. On a small an extremely small scale it's similar to a "whistleblower" wondering how to report wrongdoing.
In this case there was a moment where I perceived an imbalance of power, so took sometime to think on it made an archive, reported the rest of what I wanted to then went back.

I also archived it in case there was something fishy with the account. I've come accustomed to seeing redundant posts all ranks at the tail end of these threads I report to be locked, this was the first "Staff" member.

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BTW "Staff" means a moderator of another board (Chinese in this case) so they probably won't see your report if you're worried about that. Not that it matters now after you posted this publicly Smiley

It was honestly right after posting here I saw them offering assistance with translating the Chinese board to find account sellers. So this put to ease any other thoughts I was having about the account. I  did feel better at ease putting it in public, not to drag their name through the mud or anything, but just in case. Not that it matters, as a local board mod only has power there if I'm not mistaken.

Overall my thinking was,  I've seen some otherwise seemingly levelheaded individuals loose their shit over trivial matters.

Edit: Just of note all other reports from there, have been handled, except this one. Including a batch of other reports put in afterwards. So it may be that others also think twice regarding moderating a moderator. Not that I care it just sits as unhandled.

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October 11, 2018, 11:54:23 AM
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Just saying I've reported a staff member before, and I believe it got moved all the same. Don't let rank get in the way of reporting. Report what you think is infringing the rules. If it is it will get dealt with regardless of the rank of the member posting it. Sometimes even staff members might post in the wrong board without realizing etc.

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October 14, 2018, 04:35:51 PM
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Should we report who had post only quote without his own comment ? Especially I noticed from bounty thread and ANN thread. I believe they are spammers. Their intention is bumping thread only. Otherwise there is no reason just quote full thread without own comment. Mostly newbie account has been doing that job. I expect we should report this kind of thread. I want to know from moderators what should we write on comment during reporting time ?

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October 14, 2018, 04:47:18 PM
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Should we report who had post only quote without his own comment ? Especially I noticed from bounty thread and ANN thread. I believe they are spammers. Their intention is bumping thread only. Otherwise there is no reason just quote full thread without own comment. Mostly newbie account has been doing that job. I expect we should report this kind of thread. I want to know from moderators what should we write on comment during reporting time ?

Yes, it's clearly a "zero value" post as per rule #1. I report them with "quote only, no content" and they get deleted.

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October 14, 2018, 08:37:48 PM
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Yo Welsh! I'm starting to go a little crazy from the bump-bots I've been chasing after as outlined in this thread: How to deal with bumping via fake conversation?.

The first batch of bots I got banned were all found to have committed multiple instances of plagiarism, but it took multiple reports to get them banned. The current group are mainly engaging in mindless conversation with far less plagiarism, but even after identifying two instances of plagiarism for several users I still find them posting and the reports are marked unhandled 2+ days later. Needless to say, this is highly demotivating, but if it is an issue with how I am reporting them I'll gladly change tactics. Here's  typical example of a report I sent in:

plagiarism - copied from another bump-bot: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4555585.msg44863033#msg44863033

So, is this a case of the global mod(s) still considering me somewhat untrustworthy for not having enough reports (394 at 99% accuracy) or incorrect report format or overworked mods (ok, that one is a given) or does it really now take multiple instances of plagiarism to get banned?!?

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October 14, 2018, 09:20:59 PM
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unhandled 2+ days later

It's called "weekend". Pour yourself a piquant beverage and relax.

Also you're probably behind my 500 reports in the queue, sorry about that Smiley


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October 14, 2018, 10:54:59 PM
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unhandled 2+ days later

It's called "weekend". Pour yourself a piquant beverage and relax.

Also you're probably behind my 500 reports in the queue, sorry about that Smiley


Point taken! That said, the bots never sleep, and they never get drunk! Though I'm not entirely sure of that last one...

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How many requests do there are during the day?
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November 09, 2018, 12:14:32 PM
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So, is this a case of the global mod(s) still considering me somewhat untrustworthy for not having enough reports (394 at 99% accuracy) or incorrect report format or overworked mods (ok, that one is a given) or does it really now take multiple instances of plagiarism to get banned?!?


AFAIK global moderators don't see how many reports you've made. They might do, but I doubt they would use that as a gauge whether your correct or not. Each report should be looked at individually. Also, are you sure the users aren't already banned? How are you checking whether they are banned or not?

We have a lot of reports where the user has been banned long ago, but their messages still remain. I tend to delete the message in these cases.

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