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June 24, 2018, 09:30:40 AM
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I've been thinking about how the quality can be improved in addition to the merit system.

1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.

2) Penalize bounty campaigns and ICO's that use bumping by shit-posting by displaying their thread permanently on page 10 or a special penalty page which reduces the size of their images and fonts.

3) Provide preferential listing on page 1 for ICO's and Bounty campaigns that pay to be listed there. Rather than paying an army of shills they could be paying bitcointalk to be listed on the first (featured) page.

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June 24, 2018, 09:34:42 AM
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1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.
- We have talked about it before if my memory is serving me right.

2) Penalize bounty campaigns and ICO's that use bumping by shit-posting by displaying their thread permanently on page 10 or a special penalty page which reduces the size of their images and fonts.
That sounds an interesting proposal LOL however, isn't it gonna create extra loads for the mods/admins? They are already overloaded with tasks I am sure. We need a solution which can reduce the loads they have on them now.

3) Provide preferential listing on page 1 for ICO's and Bounty campaigns that pay to be listed there. Rather than paying an army of shills they could be paying bitcointalk to be listed on the first (featured) page.
May be a good idea. But not sure about the feasibility of the proposal.

PS: These are my views only, others will definitely have different views on your proposal.







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June 24, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
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1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.


That is something I suggested some time ago,

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June 24, 2018, 09:52:03 AM
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1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.

I saw a lot of thread asking about this kind of proposal here in the forum but I think it needs more MODs to that task.
I agreed as what mdayonliner says they are loading of doing a task as of now.
I felt guilty about this because I know I'm not a good poster. Grin Grin

That is something I suggested some time ago,
Yes, I remember and I saw your thread mate suggesting into this issues.




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June 24, 2018, 10:01:52 AM
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1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.


That is something I suggested some time ago,

It seems a good idea to me but if that was implemented we would soon see hundreds of posts on meta like: Why has my signature disappeared? And the like. Posts complaining about the merit system would be nothing compared to that.

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1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.
A little bit similar with this one for signature campaign, but its ban.
Campaign Participants:

Staff do not want to hand out bans for unconstructive posts but if we feel that you as a user are continually making very poor or unsubstantial posts due to your paid signature the following bans will be issued:

First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

2) Penalize bounty campaigns and ICO's that use bumping by shit-posting by displaying their thread permanently on page 10 or a special penalty page which reduces the size of their images and fonts.
How about locking their thread for someday (ex. first warn is 3 days)? But moderators will have extra works for this one.

3) Provide preferential listing on page 1 for ICO's and Bounty campaigns that pay to be listed there. Rather than paying an army of shills they could be paying bitcointalk to be listed on the first (featured) page.
Looks good, but how about scam ICO that pay for to be on featured page? It will bring a negative side for bitcointalk, except it need some extra research for it.
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June 24, 2018, 10:36:09 AM
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2) Penalize bounty campaigns and ICO's that use bumping by shit-posting by displaying their thread permanently on page 10 or a special penalty page which reduces the size of their images and fonts.
That sounds an interesting proposal LOL however, isn't it gonna create extra loads for the mods/admins? They are already overloaded with tasks I am sure. We need a solution which can reduce the loads they have on them now.

Maybe trusted users can "report" the thread and x number of reports from reliable users get the thread locked for a period of time. (automatic time lock).

Even a bot could be used to do some of that automatically. On a forum I was a moderator on they used a bot to get rid of spam.



1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.


That is something I suggested some time ago,

That just proves it is a good idea and you thought about it first.  Grin


1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.

I saw a lot of thread asking about this kind of proposal here in the forum but I think it needs more MODs to that task.
I agreed as what mdayonliner says they are loading of doing a task as of now.
I felt guilty about this because I know I'm not a good poster. Grin Grin

Perhaps a bot can be used to detect common poor quality posts.
There are some clever people on this forum that have created some amazing analytics which could be used for feeding data to a bot.


1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.


That is something I suggested some time ago,

It seems a good idea to me but if that was implemented we would soon see hundreds of posts on meta like: Why has my signature disappeared? And the like. Posts complaining about the merit system would be nothing compared to that.

On a forum I used to clear of spam they had a rule. Any complaints about temporary bans resulted in a permaban. The signature could be replaced with a notice like "this user has received a signature ban for 7 /14/ 30 days for posting spam".

An automatic timer could lift the ban.


1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.
A little bit similar with this one for signature campaign, but its ban.
Campaign Participants:

Staff do not want to hand out bans for unconstructive posts but if we feel that you as a user are continually making very poor or unsubstantial posts due to your paid signature the following bans will be issued:

First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

2) Penalize bounty campaigns and ICO's that use bumping by shit-posting by displaying their thread permanently on page 10 or a special penalty page which reduces the size of their images and fonts.
How about locking their thread for someday (ex. first warn is 3 days)? But moderators will have extra works for this one.

3) Provide preferential listing on page 1 for ICO's and Bounty campaigns that pay to be listed there. Rather than paying an army of shills they could be paying bitcointalk to be listed on the first (featured) page.
Looks good, but how about scam ICO that pay for to be on featured page? It will bring a negative side for bitcointalk, except it need some extra research for it.

I like those ideas. Especially the one about locking the thread. It could be a timed lock so the moderator doesn't have to manually unlock it.

It can be made clear that the ICO's are not endorsed by Bitcointalk and that they pay to be featured on the front page. - just like with TV and newspaper advertising.

Perhaps there can be a reward program in place for campaigns that discourage spam and low quality posts.

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June 24, 2018, 10:47:37 AM
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2) Penalize bounty campaigns and ICO's that use bumping by shit-posting by displaying their thread permanently on page 10 or a special penalty page which reduces the size of their images and fonts.

It is not necessary to use ICO bumping service. Some of them can just combine their ANN thread with bounty and ask participants to provide weekly reports as a new reply to the thread. It will not violate such rules and still provide the necessary pumps for the ICO. Forum restrictions won't help in such cases.
IMO the best way is to create a website with a decent SEO that will have a garbage / shady ICO listing that will be shown at the first google pages. Their PR managers should see that shady activities may lead to fail, otherwise they will keep spamming the forum.
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1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.
The idea of removing the signature display is good, but how can it actually prevent prohibited members from shit posting? Because they can still post just without the added benefit of being part of a signature campaign, chances are these prohibited members will take it personally and bring their worst in the forum by complaining of unfair treatment as well as to ruin some threads with shitty posts after being banned from having signatures. This strategy will take some time and I don't think this shit posters will even try to improve their post quality on a month of prohibition.

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There are two overall, often conflicting, strengths in this forum that need to come to terms. On the one hand, there are those that vouch for a spam free forum, centered on Bitcoin discussion. On the other hand, we’ve got a set of Campaigns that are here for their own profit (but that are also a core asset to the Forum’s financial structure), using the Forum as a means to their objectives, but with little regards for the former annotated conflicting strength. This duality of focus, that coexists within a single closed space, leads to the current situation.

Campaigns seem to be here to stay, but that does not mean that the rules that apply to them cannot be tweaked in favour of overall content quality. Merit is an approach in this sense, but it focused on the labour side of Campaign, whilst no additional focus has been placed on the root of the problem, being that Campaigns and Campaign Managers themselves.
Self-awareness by forum elders that also manage campaigns is creating a ripple in the system, by tightening the rules to specific campaigns for those campaigns that they manage, but the main core of campaigns are still running wild and remain rather much exempt for responsibility over their recruits.

I agree therefore that the focus has to be placed there, and that is the reason for the OPs thread, as well as other interesting proposal we’ve seen recently such as this week’s thread by d5000 on the matter ( The core of Bitcointalk's spam problem ), knowing full well that this kind of thread will be buried soon on the nth page of Meta and probably lead nowhere in practice.

But we do have a right to a tantrum and hope to actually get somewhere eventually, so let’s add our two cents to the thread.

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1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.
It sounds good, but adds the difficulty of management and an overhead of time to forum moderators which I suspect are not too empty handed right now. If such cases were sort of rare to manage, the overhead would be small, but as we often see, the amount of spammers grows with ease and one signature block on a low ranked account could easily be replaced by another low ranked alt account taking on from there.

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2) Penalize bounty campaigns and ICO's that use bumping by shit-posting by displaying their thread permanently on page 10 or a special penalty page which reduces the size of their images and fonts.
A lot of bumping goes on in the Ann section, but so long as it affects the Ann section only, the spill on other Forum sections is not an issue, and delimits only to competing for prime space within the Ann thread. It is not a spam issue, but a “play by the rules of the book”concern as I see it. So long as the bumps are legit (i.e. not paid to bots or serviced accounts that deploy that kind of service), they seem to conform to the organic positioning within the Ann thread.
Bump cheaters could be forced as you say to have a kind of visibility punishment within the Ann Forum Section, but from a the spam point of view at least, what goes on there, if confined to the Ann section, is a lesser issue.

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3) Provide preferential listing on page 1 for ICO's and Bounty campaigns that pay to be listed there. Rather than paying an army of shills they could be paying bitcointalk to be listed on the first (featured) page.
The price would have to be heavy though, since I guess that the idea would be that the first page be for paid positioning ICOs and from the second onwards for natural organic bumped ICOs.

I would rather prefer for them to compete for the space than to pay for it. We could bring Merit in to the equation here. For example, we could play with positioning based on three variables:
-   Accumulated pre-signature Merit of Campaign´s signatories (this could be gained Merit and not Airdropped Merit for the signatories instead).
-   Accumulated Merit of Campaign´s signatories during the actual campaign.
-   Natural bumps.

The algoritm would create a scoring based on those three variables, being the second and third more relevant. For example, whenever a signatory is merited, the score for the positioning would be incremented, and thus the ICO’s positioning thread within the Ann section. Gained merit would have more weight than a bump, and a longer time effect in the positioning algorithm.
The above would play on the lines of basing positioning both in terms of participation (natural organic bumping) and quality/interest based by the signatories posting capabilities. Good posters would draw more attention to their signature through their natural activity, whilst rising collaterally the ANN thread’s position. Crappy posters would benefit the Campaign on neither accounts.
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1) Allow forum moderators to penalize users by revoking signature display rights for a month for poor posting habits.


That is something I suggested some time ago,

Never happen.  No extra work for the moderators.

Any solution would need to be automatic.

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Never happen.  No extra work for the moderators.

Any solution would need to be automatic.

That is something admin is already trying to implement in the form of merit system. Instead of giving all work to moderators for manually checking posts and awarding merits, it is in the hands of the reputed members here now.
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