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June 29, 2018, 06:33:40 PM
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A "new manufacturer" of super efficient (23 TH/s-1185 w) ASIC bitcoin mining machines popped up with a one post newbie account today here and a self moderated thread.

A quick look at their website "about us" revealed a strange anomaly, in as much as at least one of their core staff is not who he is said to be.

They deleted the post where I pointed this out, so, being a man of my word....

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A new account posting "self moderated".  Roll Eyes
Unsatisfactory answer to the above identity crisis (or deletion of this post) will result in re-posting in "Scam Accusations".
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June 29, 2018, 09:22:19 PM
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There is also this, an E-Bay 'transaction'.
A month old new account, NY based, sells one of their "double" model miners for $500, because E Bay won't let them charge any more than that for it.
Of course, what genius marketing from a multi national company that has just released a product that destroys the current opposition in a sector awash with money looking to be spent!
Sell them one at a time on E Bay at a loss....  Roll Eyes

Have a close look at the logo, too.

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Logo is a trillium

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June 30, 2018, 09:06:52 AM
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Logo is a trillium

It wasn't the actual symbol to which I referred, it was the rendering/'shopping appearance of it and their name on the case.

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The shitcunt deleted two of my posts as well,  I sent a PM to OmegaStarScream with a link to here so hopefully he can warn the Arabic subforum where the scammers other post is!

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June 30, 2018, 02:40:23 PM
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The shitcunt deleted two of my posts as well,  I sent a PM to OmegaStarScream with a link to here so hopefully he can warn the Arabic subforum where the scammers other post is!

Did you get a "You are blocked from posting on Bitcointalk.org" page come up?
Both phillipma1957 and I did.
There is something going on here that I don't quite understand.
And it's not good.

Once I get a response from the legendary member that edited his post into a virtual endorsement (after being pm'd by me of my misgivings) I will post further.
I know notfuzzywarm and the post he made on this thread is completely not like him


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June 30, 2018, 02:46:18 PM
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looks like a scam.

I took some screen shots etc


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https://i.imgur.com/V6aCCAo.png

this one I posted with my judypug1956 account  it was deleted



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This  was on 2 different accounts this one got blocked and my secondary account was blocked

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I am philipma1957 this is my secondary account it was also blocked.

I got around that  did a post  and it was deleted

This is a secondary account .
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I am philipma1957 this is my secondary account it was also blocked.

I got around that  did a post  and it was deleted


my secondary account was blocked  along with this one  I know notfuzzywarm and the post he made on this thread is completely not like him


everyone please look out for this seller don't lose your coin!

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June 30, 2018, 02:53:28 PM
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The shitcunt deleted two of my posts as well,  I sent a PM to OmegaStarScream with a link to here so hopefully he can warn the Arabic subforum where the scammers other post is!

Did you get a "You are blocked from posting on Bitcointalk.org" page come up?
Both phillipma1957 and I did.
There is something going on here that I don't quite understand.
And it's not good.
Once I get a response from the legendary member that edited his post into a virtual endorsement (after being pm'd by me of my misgivings) I will post further.



Ya I got the blocked issue on the thread right after I posted the first time, this morning.  A couple of hours later I was able to post in the thread again, without being blocked.

I can't imagine how the scammer had us blocked but something happened (hopefully just a coincidental cloudflare issue??

The post by NFW is fucking crazy, that is so out of character from my impression of the account.  All he fucking asked was will it run on any 256 pool?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh  Really with his background and skepticism thats the only fucking thing he asked.  Another legendary member biffa made a comment about NFW's post and biffa's post was deleted as well.

Have either of you guys tried posting in the thread since the block message?



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Have either of you guys tried posting in the thread since the block message?

I haven't no, I'm not banging my head on a wall.
I'm just going to wreck them instead.

I've asked in Meta about the "block" msg.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4572498.new#new

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Have either of you guys tried posting in the thread since the block message?

I haven't no, I'm not banging my head on a wall.
I'm just going to wreck them instead.

I've asked in Meta about the "block" msg.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4572498.new#new

Ya I saw the meta post and responded I had the same issue.

Also got a reply from OmegaStarScream and he has posted in the scammers Arabic thread (which doesn't appear to be self mod'd) with a link here and to the mining speculation warning thread.

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105 sales so far (106 including the E Bay one) claimed. Apart from the E Bay bargain, all 105 presumably bought thru their "online store".
So naturally, when you go to checkout, they provide their address



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I also tried to post in the thread, and had my post immidiately deleted.

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For a start - wrong area folks! That is hardware - not software... Requested the mods to move this to Mining Speculation for now.

So far gotta say this looks promising. Aside from being a company no one has heard of before I do not get any red flags yet -- and as folks who know me here will testify that is a VERY rare statement for me to make. edit: This may change of course as more info comes out.

Went to their site and in Chat asked the all-important question: Can these run on any sha256D pool or is asicboost support required. Answer is they run on ANY sha256d pool. Damn fine start.

Seriously thinking about ordering one to try out/review.
I see a couple of red flags. One being that the PSU is inside the miner itself, like you see in a personal computer, but not most miners. The second would be the strange social media presence. The third would be the lack of mention of any chip sizes/specs.

I could go on....

I am going to go out on a limb and say that NotFuzzyWarm is a purchased and/or hacked account for the purpose of furthering this likely scam.

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It's getting a bit messy (in more ways than one) here, because of the slight red herring regarding the Cloudflare software being triggered.
I don't believe that the ASGARD people have or could have the ability to prevent posts or "block", although they have the ability to delete  and exercise it non stop.
Here's a cross post from Meta to bring that up to date.
I would very much like to understand NotFuzzyWarm's position regarding his endorsement of this ASGARD scheme, but he neither responds to pm's or subsequent posts.


I guess my next question would be, why is NotFuzzyWarm able to post that in the thread? There are a number of red flags with what the OP of the thread is selling, NotFuzzyWarm is giving what is close to an endorsement and those trying to point out red flags are having their posts almost immidiately deleted.

This is correct. I've pm'd him twice to aware him of the red flags but he hasn't responded. I have started a scam accusation thread regarding ASGARD.
Bizarrely, NFW's original post (two versions ago) read

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For a start - wrong area folks! That is hardware - not software... Requested the mods to move this to Mining Speculation for now.

So far gotta say this looks promising.

Went to their site and in Chat asked the all-important question: Can these run on any sha256D pool or is asicboost support required. Answer is they run on ANY sha256d pool. Damn fine start.

Seriously thinking about ordering one to try out/review.

I pm'd him to tell him that the identity mismatch I had noticed and posted about had been self modded.
Very shortly after that he edited the post to include the bolded

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For a start - wrong area folks! That is hardware - not software... Requested the mods to move this to Mining Speculation for now.

So far gotta say this looks promising. Aside from being a company no one has heard of before I do not get any red flags yet -- and as folks who know me here will testify that is a VERY rare statement for me to make.
Went to their site and in Chat asked the all-important question: Can these run on any sha256D pool or is asicboost support required. Answer is they run on ANY sha256d pool. Damn fine start.

Seriously thinking about ordering one to try out/review.

That really confused me. Even if he didn't rate the evidence of stolen photos (since deleted) how could it make him even more supportive??

The third edit is the addition of the back pedal phrase

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He still has not acknowledged my pm's.
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It's getting a bit messy (in more ways than one) here, because of the slight red herring regarding the Cloudflare software being triggered.
I don't believe that the ASGARD people have or could have the ability to prevent posts or "block",
Well it is very well possible they are intimately familiar with CF default "rules" (I would presume the rule in question is a default setting that theymos never changed until just now), and created a post they knew others could not reply to (and presumed that most people would give up on trying to post warning others after receiving the block).

If the above is true, they could have been familiar with CF so that they were able to create a post themselves that circumvented the block (and possibly later edited the posts), or they have some exemption to the rules.

If it is the later, then whoever is currently behind NotFuzzyWarm may be an alt of someone else in a particularly high ranking. theymos was able to quote the post while others were not, and he said that his account and IP address are not specifically whitelisted or otherwise different in the eyes of CF (to his doing). He also speculated CF allowed him to make that post because of some kind of cookie tracking or reputation system implemented by CF. If theymos is correct in his speculation, someone may have been able to use this cookie and/or CF reputation to make a post that others could not respond to.

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I can't see in the seclog a pw or email change on the NFW account, anyone see one?

These things concern me about the NFW account currently:
editing the post seemingly furthering the endorsment after tmfp PM'd a warning to him
lack of technical discussion or questions in that thread
basically endorsing this thing blindly

To be honest hes a hardened vet of the mining sub and has seen all the scams recently and been against them pretty strongly, so ya this gives the appearance of being very out of character!

 

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MLM: Many Layers of Misery


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June 30, 2018, 09:03:30 PM
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Hahaha, I see -ck has posted in the self mod thread

Aside from being a company no one has heard of before I do not get any red flags yet
Except that their efficiency claims are so much better than the current leading edge of technology as to be highly improbable.

Will they delete a moderator's post, one merited by the other mod?  Cheesy
Whatever happens with this particular scam, I would hope it will be a watershed for depriving newbies of self moderation in the future.

Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Evidence
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June 30, 2018, 09:52:39 PM
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Hahaha, I see -ck has posted in the self mod thread

Aside from being a company no one has heard of before I do not get any red flags yet
Except that their efficiency claims are so much better than the current leading edge of technology as to be highly improbable.

Will they delete a moderator's post, one merited by the other mod?  Cheesy
Whatever happens with this particular scam, I would hope it will be a watershed for depriving newbies of self moderation in the future.
Will be amusing. They'll get their arses ripped if they delete my post ^_^.

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