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Just how does a decentralized currency that cannot be controlled by a central authority serve the interests of of a centralized world government?
Bitcoin does pretty much the opposite of what any self respecting one-world totalitatrian government would want.
Back doors in the code, only top secret services know about and the average code monkey can never figure out. Or It is used as a pump and dump tool by big banks who are experimenting with cryptography based currencies. So none of the people currently working on Bitcoin, and modifying it to create alt coins are bright enough to understand what the code does? It seems to me, that if there are vulnerabilities or potential backdoors, the incentive would be huge for hackers and coders to find these vulnerabilities and exploit them. Why use keyloggers and viruses to rip a few coins off from users too lazy to secure their machines when there are known addresses with huge balances? Pump and dump. Banks pump, dump and generally fuck up every damn thing they can exert influence over. The mortgage bubble, the current stock market, hell, pretty much the entire economy. So, yeah, they will mess with crypto too.
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February 09, 2014, 06:54:19 PM |
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The Banksters Ultimate Dream - A Cashless Society, Starting With The Militaryhttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalbanking209.htmWhy is a cashless society the holy grail of total tyrannical control for the Banksters?
Because once your entire financial banking life is under the dominion of these criminals in the form of a card or an implanted chip, you will never again be free. They are already tracking you, building a database about you and monitoring your every move.
But once cash transactions are done away with entirely, if the Banksters (or fascist government) don’t like your point of view or politics, they can just turn your chip off.
“And no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast.”
Big Brother Surveillance Society http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/atlantean_conspiracy/atlantean_conspiracy03.htmThe New World Order end goal is chipping every baby at birth and transferring global currency to a cashless credit-based system, managed via microchips. Shortly after 9/11 there was a whole family on “Good Morning America” who all got chipped. They interviewed with CFR member Diane Sawyer saying they were scared of the terrorists and felt safer with implanted identification devices. The government is now pushing legislation to chip animals, children, prisoners, and Alzheimer’s patients.
Andy Rooney even promoted the idea in a 60 Minutes editorial:
“Something has to change, though. They have to find a better way to identify the bad guys, or the rest of us are going to stay home and watch the world go by on television. But we need some system for permanently identifying safe people. Most of us are never going to blow anything up. And there’s got to be something better than one of these photo IDs— a tattoo somewhere maybe.
The Saudis use an American device to scan the eyes of travelers. I wouldn’t mind having something planted permanently in my arm that would identify me. If we don’t do something, people are going to stop flying. If they stop flying, and I don’t go to the Giants games, it means the bastards have won.”
Andy Rooney (For more information regarding the frightening reality of microchips, read Katherine Albright’s “Spy Chips.”) good thing bitcoins can't be turned off by deactivating a chip...
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February 09, 2014, 06:55:31 PM |
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You do not understand. For every mathematical operation there is a reverse operation. For every left side of the equation there is a right side. Just because you think there is no proof of the reverse operation doesn't mean that the enemy doesn't know it.
That's not the point. The point is it's extremely difficult (pretty much impossible) to go backwards once you perform a hash function. Yes you can do the reverse but it might take you 2 million years...
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February 09, 2014, 06:55:40 PM |
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Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.
He should just return. Please. Thank you.
He doesn't want to be a target like Julian Assange or Edward Snowden etc. ;-)
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February 09, 2014, 07:00:54 PM Last edit: February 09, 2014, 07:11:48 PM by thetruth |
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It seems to me, that if there are vulnerabilities or potential backdoors, the incentive would be huge for hackers and coders to find these vulnerabilities and exploit them. There is no backdoor in the official version of the program as far as I know. Only the Gestapo/NKVD will be allowed to fully access to your digital information. Little swindlers will not. good thing bitcoins can't be turned off by deactivating a chip... It's only a matter of time. When the world accepts the cashless system you will be required to wear GPS/Cell tower trackable chip which will be always with you and always online connected to the supercomputer.
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February 09, 2014, 07:07:59 PM |
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That's not the point. The point is it's extremely difficult (pretty much impossible) to go backwards once you perform a hash function. Yes you can do the reverse but it might take you 2 million years... Extremely difficult only for you. The enemy developed the cipher they know better. You are applying the wrong algorithm.
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February 09, 2014, 07:19:12 PM |
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It seems to me, that if there are vulnerabilities or potential backdoors, the incentive would be huge for hackers and coders to find these vulnerabilities and exploit them. There is no backdoors in the official version of the program as far as I know. Only the Gestapo/NKVD will be allowed to fully access to your digital information. Little swindlers will not. good thing bitcoins can't be turned off by deactivating a chip... It's only a matter of time. When the world accepts the cashless system you will be required to wear GPS/Cell tower trackable chip which will be always with you and always online connected to the supercomputer. I think you place way too much faith in our adversary. The powers that be are dangerous and evil, but they are human, they screw up and they can be thwarted. Case in point... the internet. They underestimated people. They thought we would just use it to look at porn and cat pictures while they could categorize us and identify subversives. The problem was, people have a hell of a lot more to say than they ever imagined. We are using their own control grid to mess up their shit, and they are getting scared. They are now looking for ways to reign it in, but they won't be able to. Not without mass revolt.
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February 09, 2014, 07:34:49 PM |
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He left because if he had stayed it would have turned into more of a personality cult than it is already.
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February 09, 2014, 07:46:02 PM Last edit: February 09, 2014, 08:47:50 PM by thetruth |
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We are using their own control grid to mess up their shit, and they are getting scared. No, we are not messing up anything, we are playing in the sandbox. The reason they created the Internet was to put all communications at one place for the purpose of achieving perfect surveillance. (it fulfills part of the Cummunist Manifesto - Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State http://web.archive.org/web/19990221045304/http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/com-man.html) Look at "Interception Capabilities 2000" http://www.cyber-rights.org/interception/stoa/ic2kreport.htme.g. It follows that foreign Internet traffic of communications intelligence interest - consisting of e-mail, file transfers, "virtual private networks" operated over the internet, and some other messages - will form at best a few per cent of the traffic on most US Internet exchanges or backbone links. According to a former employee, NSA had by 1995 installed "sniffer" software to collect such traffic at nine major Internet exchange points (IXPs).(37) The first two such sites identified, FIX East and FIX West, are operated by US government agencies. They are closely linked to nearby commercial locations, MAE East and MAE West (see table). Three other sites listed were Network Access Points originally developed by the US National Science Foundation to provide the US Internet with its initial "backbone".
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February 09, 2014, 07:55:10 PM |
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Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.
He should just return. Please. Thank you.
Satoshi was experiencing life threatening time-travel ailments that forced him to return to the future earlier than planned.
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February 09, 2014, 08:03:13 PM |
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Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.
He should just return. Please. Thank you.
Satoshi was experiencing life threatening time-travel ailments that forced him to return to the future earlier than planned. Residual Temporal Drag Syndrome?
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February 09, 2014, 08:06:13 PM |
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We are using their own control grid to mess up their shit, and they are getting scared. No, we are not messing up anything, we are playing in the sandbox. The reason they created the Internet was to put all communications at one place for the purpose of achieving perfect surveillance. (it fulfills part of the Cummunist Manifesto - Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State) Look at "Interception Capabilities 2000" http://www.cyber-rights.org/interception/stoa/ic2kreport.htme.g. It follows that foreign Internet traffic of communications intelligence interest - consisting of e-mail, file transfers, "virtual private networks" operated over the internet, and some other messages - will form at best a few per cent of the traffic on most US Internet exchanges or backbone links. According to a former employee, NSA had by 1995 installed "sniffer" software to collect such traffic at nine major Internet exchange points (IXPs).(37) The first two such sites identified, FIX East and FIX West, are operated by US government agencies. They are closely linked to nearby commercial locations, MAE East and MAE West (see table). Three other sites listed were Network Access Points originally developed by the US National Science Foundation to provide the US Internet with its initial "backbone". Yes, they have a comprehensive surveillance grid. What I'm pointing out is that it is turning out to be a two way street. There have been MANY instances where it has come back to bite them in the ass and will continue to do so. Benghazi, Syria, Boston... All examples where the system was forced to backpedal in the face of public outcry and criticism. Of course we are not out of the woods! But there are rays of hope, and it is not a foregone conclusion that the system is gonna win. If you want to wallow in defeatism, fine. Maybe you should unplug all your electronics and go hide under your bed. Me, I'm going to use every tool at my disposal to try to win whatever freedom I can. Even if those tools are not perfect.
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February 09, 2014, 08:12:37 PM |
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If you want to wallow in defeatism, fine. No, I'm not. What I proposed I already expressed: 1. Alternative Internet (could be decentralized WiFi router based). 2. New system of encryption of messages over the network - private cryptography where the ciphers are unknown to the Secret Government. 3. Arms. You better get yourself a gun in the world that's coming.
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February 09, 2014, 08:17:24 PM |
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Why did Satoshi disappear completely? He could have stayed on the forums and could reply to our questions on bitcoin.
He should just return. Please. Thank you.
He probably has better things to do with his time than answer dumb questions from noobs.
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February 09, 2014, 08:44:41 PM |
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That's not the point. The point is it's extremely difficult (pretty much impossible) to go backwards once you perform a hash function. Yes you can do the reverse but it might take you 2 million years... Extremely difficult only for you. The enemy developed the cipher they know better. You are applying the wrong algorithm. Okay. It's possible to turn a 64 character digest into a five paragraph book report. You win. Bitcoin is evil. Now go to the pgp forum and tell everyone that they are not safe. After that go to the minecraft forum because notch is now a servant of the devil. Also, the five dollar bills in your wallet have cameras too small to be seen by an electron microscope that watch you constantly.
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February 09, 2014, 08:51:29 PM |
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The Satoshi group isn't gone. They just aren't using that identity anymore. They are still around trying to advance encryption so that even the NSA can't hack it. Obviously, they need to be very careful (timid) in this whole thing. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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February 09, 2014, 08:54:56 PM |
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I know they are present. Why do they hide like cockroaches?
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February 09, 2014, 08:55:25 PM |
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Also, the five dollar bills in your wallet have cameras too small to be seen by an electron microscope that watch you constantly.
They aren't small, you're just applying the wrong algorithm.
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February 09, 2014, 08:56:09 PM |
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2. New system of encryption of messages over the network - private cryptography where the ciphers are unknown to the Secret Government.
Strong cryptography doesn't rely on the cipher being unknown. That is security through obscurity and results in poor security. History is littered with examples, WEP, CSS, AACS, A5/1, A5/3, etc. Strong cryptography involves making the cipher public knowledge. "Here is how the lock works, but you still can't unlock it without the key."
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February 09, 2014, 09:07:55 PM |
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"Here is how the lock works, but you still can't unlock it without the key." I know what public-key encryption scheme is. What I'm telling is that those who created the chipher in the first place have the reverse algorithm that doesn't require the private key to decrypt the message.
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