Question/Bounty: What does it take to start Tenebrix without premined coins?

[michaelmclees]

Suppose one likes the idea of GPU hostile currency, but dislikes the idea of Tenebrix being invented as a potential laundry with over 7 million coins going to its creator.

How difficult would it be to rename Tenebrix (into Fairbrix, for example), create a new genesis block without the premined coins, and let everyone mine on it?

Hell, I'll even start the bounty at 200TBX.

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[Matoking]

A lot of stuff actually seems to be set in the configuration file itself.
https://github.com/Lolcust/Tenebrix/blob/cpumine/tenebrix.conf

- Fork the repository
- Rename stuff
- Change the IRC channel name in the configuration file
- Change the Subsidy value to 25 (aka normal brix generation) in the configuration file

Heck, I may try doing it now.

[michaelmclees]

A lot of stuff actually seems to be set in the configuration file itself.
https://github.com/Lolcust/Tenebrix/blob/cpumine/tenebrix.conf

- Fork the repository
- Rename stuff
- Change the IRC channel name in the configuration file
- Change the Subsidy value to 25 (aka normal brix generation) in the configuration file

Heck, I may try doing it now.

Rename it Fairbrix, release the new code within 50 blocks generated on this forum and I'll send you 200TBX.  Of course, a Tenebrix clone without the premined laundry nonsense would quickly make TBX worthless in my opinion, but who knows.

[Lolcust]

A lot of stuff actually seems to be set in the configuration file itself.
https://github.com/Lolcust/Tenebrix/blob/cpumine/tenebrix.conf

- Fork the repository
- Rename stuff
- Change the IRC channel name in the configuration file
- Change the Subsidy value to 25 (aka normal brix generation) in the configuration file

Heck, I may try doing it now.

Rename it Fairbrix, release the new code within 50 blocks generated on this forum and I'll send you 200TBX.  Of course, a Tenebrix clone without the premined laundry nonsense would quickly become worthless in my opinion, but who knows.

So on one hand you call laundry "nonsense", on the other hand you say that the clone will be worthless without it ?

Strange. You confuse me.

Anyways, don't forget to generate a new genesis with a fancy quote, and don't forget to warn LF that yet another channel is gonna have an alt talking in it. EDIT and change the magic numbers that determine message start thingie, or it might get very confusing very fast.

The genesis might take you some time on a weak CPU tho. I generated mine for quite some hours on GF's i7

Also it's somewhat strange to post a bounty for something like forking TBX in TBX, but if you give me a day or so to finish messin' with faucet, exchange and pool, I'll do it all except the "generate new genesis" (I'll leave the honor to seed it with a quote of your choice to you ) part for 150 TBX  

[michaelmclees]

A lot of stuff actually seems to be set in the configuration file itself.
https://github.com/Lolcust/Tenebrix/blob/cpumine/tenebrix.conf

- Fork the repository
- Rename stuff
- Change the IRC channel name in the configuration file
- Change the Subsidy value to 25 (aka normal brix generation) in the configuration file

Heck, I may try doing it now.

Rename it Fairbrix, release the new code within 50 blocks generated on this forum and I'll send you 200TBX.  Of course, a Tenebrix clone without the premined laundry nonsense would quickly become worthless in my opinion, but who knows.

So on one hand you call laundry "nonsense", on the other hand you say that the clone will be worthless without it ?

Strange. You confuse me.

That was a misprint.  What I meant to say is in the edited post above.

[Lolcust]

Ah, that's a typo. Okaydokay. Anyways, the 150 TBX offer holds if you wait a mite, since I'm quite caught up with them exchanges and the faucet

P.S.:

Why don't you also post a bounty for forking Geist in GG ? Everyone except me is playing on the geist exchange, and I can't (only have pre-mined ones left, and promises are promises)

I feel kinda left out. Throw a guy some GG will ya ?

[michaelmclees]

Care to chat about it a minute over gchat?  username is michaelmclees.

[Lolcust]

I cannot into gchat right now

But for now I'm on IRC in #Tenebrix (freenode)

[Lolcust]

http://webchat.freenode.net/

If you have no irc client ^^

[Matoking]

Just spent few minutes renaming everything from Tenebrix to Fairbrix (alongside with some other stuff to differentiate it from Tenebrix)

https://github.com/Matoking/Tenebrix

Time well spent.

And no, I have no idea if this will work. I'll try it and see if it explodes in a nuclear fireball. (pretty unlikely but would be kinda cool if it happened)

EDIT:
Assertion fail.
No nuclear fireball.
Sad face.

[Etlase2]

Just spent few minutes renaming everything from Tenebrix to Fairbrix (alongside with some other stuff to differentiate it from Tenebrix)

https://github.com/Matoking/Tenebrix

Time well spent.

And no, I have no idea if this will work. I'll try it and see if it explodes in a nuclear fireball. (pretty unlikely but would be kinda cool if it happened)

and yet you name the folder tenebrix ROFL

[Matoking]

Couldn't bother to rename the repository yet.
I'm not doing this seriously, just for science.

[michaelmclees]

[13:59] <Lolcust_nobounce> Hi ^__^
[13:59] <michaelmclees> Ahh... OK, we'll chat here then.
[14:00] <michaelmclees> Care to make a deal?
[14:02] <Lolcust_nobounce> A deal ? I sorta like deals, but that depends...
[14:03] <michaelmclees> You believe in TBX, so name your price.  Surely it's higher than 150 for the service I request.
[14:04] <Lolcust_nobounce> Errr, you mean for forking it ?
[14:05] <Lolcust_nobounce> I don't mind forks so my offer of help was quite genuine
[14:07] <Lolcust_nobounce> If your offer is "name your price for not forking it", then I must say that it would be pretty ugly of me to pay someone not to fork an opensrc project, don't cha think ?
[14:07] <michaelmclees> I mean start a new client altogether.  All instances of "Tenebrix" are replaced with "Fairbrix".  Restart the blockchain at 0 so new nodes see 1 block (or whatever) instead of 9270.  Change the little icon so there is an FX rather than a TX.
[14:07] <michaelmclees> If that is what forking is, then yes, a new fork.
[14:07] <michaelmclees> Hell, I'll pay 300TBX for that.
[14:08] <michaelmclees> But I thought that a new fork would start with block 9270.
[14:11] <Lolcust_nobounce> wait
[14:11] <Lolcust_nobounce> You want to fork the chain or the project ?
[14:12] <michaelmclees> I want a new project, but I know nothing about coding.  So keep everything you have, save for the name, and the premined genesis block.
[14:13] <michaelmclees> I don't know if that's a fork or not.
[14:13] <michaelmclees> As I understand it, you fork at the current block.  I'm asking for a new block 0.
[14:13] <Lolcust_nobounce> So, you fork the project
[14:14] <Lolcust_nobounce> No, forking @ current block = blockchain fork
[14:14] <Lolcust_nobounce> That would mean you will need 51% of current TBX hashrate to work
[14:14] <Lolcust_nobounce> if you want to start from scratch you will need to fork the project, with new genesis and things
[14:15] <michaelmclees> That is what I'm requesting.
[14:17] <Lolcust_nobounce> Can do
[14:18] <Lolcust_nobounce> What would you like in the genesis block ?
[14:18] <michaelmclees> When will it be ready?
[14:20] <Lolcust_nobounce> I think maybe tomorrow, or so. As you can see, I'm caught up in may a thing at the same time ^__^ Pick a pithy quote to stuff into genesis
[14:22] <michaelmclees> Whatever is the headline of the New York Times on the day it is released.
[14:24] <michaelmclees> I don't really care much.
[14:24] <michaelmclees> So long as I get to mine the first block.
[14:25] <michaelmclees> I'll announce it after I've mined a few.
[14:27] <Lolcust_nobounce> Oh, that's oky
[14:27] <michaelmclees> What is your wallet address?
[14:28] <michaelmclees> I'll send half the payment now and half when the project is complete.
[14:29] <michaelmclees> I'll post up this conversation in the thread offering the bounty.
[14:29] <michaelmclees> Is this OK?
[14:35] <Lolcust_nobounce> OK, post it in the thread - I don't have TBX on this machine so I'll post the addy in the thread a mite later
[14:35] <Lolcust_nobounce> post it = post the convo
[14:35] <michaelmclees> We have a deal then.
[14:35] <michaelmclees> Thank you.

Looks like we have a taker.  Infact, it is Lolcust himself who will do it.  I'll say this about him, he has confidence in his product.

[froggy]

I'll announce it after I've mined a few

*cough* Just a friendly bit of advice - best to announce it as soon as you know it works (a couple of dozen test blocks should do it I'd think), otherwise it wouldn't really be Fairbrix :-)

[Matoking]

Good. Hopefully it will be supported like Tenebrix.

[EskimoBob]

Fairbrix, good name.
Ill start a assbrix of that fork

[EskimoBob]

Make file probably needs to have

Code:

INCPATH       = -I/usr/include/db4.8 .... 

[racerguy]

I'll mine this like I mined tenebrix seeing that i still like it's qualities even without the laundry.  I still think tenebrix with a laundry > tenebrix without one though.

[Lolcust]

Just spent few minutes renaming everything from Tenebrix to Fairbrix (alongside with some other stuff to differentiate it from Tenebrix)

https://github.com/Matoking/Tenebrix

Time well spent.

And no, I have no idea if this will work. I'll try it and see if it explodes in a nuclear fireball. (pretty unlikely but would be kinda cool if it happened)

EDIT:
Assertion fail.
No nuclear fireball.
Sad face.

It can be tricky. Worry not, I'm on the case and the fork will be made in about a day or so (I'm kinda caught up in a whole pile o stuff now)

Good. Hopefully it will be supported like Tenebrix.

Well, obviously I won't be doing techsupport in the forums (I have tenebrix and gg to cater to, and I have about two eyes and two hands, a job, a side-job and a GF. Only so much a single Lolcust can) and negotiating with exchanges and other such thingies is up to michael as well.

Also, I won't be doing code maintenance (not that I'm good at it), but given that TBX and this will share codebase, it will be a question of michael copypasting any kewl Tenebrix tweaks into his code (and TBX is opensource)

I'll mine this like I mined tenebrix seeing that i still like it's qualities even without the laundry.  I still think tenebrix with a laundry > tenebrix without one though.

Diversifying investments ? Wise

[michaelmclees]

I'll announce it after I've mined a few

*cough* Just a friendly bit of advice - best to announce it as soon as you know it works (a couple of dozen test blocks should do it I'd think), otherwise it wouldn't really be Fairbrix :-)

Probably will be even sooner than that.

[Lolcust]

Oh, one more thing michael - I will replace the blockchain lockins of Tenebrix with "standard" multicoin code that allows you to set a locking via config without editing the code and recompiling, if you do not mind (Obviously you need TBX lockins removed but I suspect you might want to set one of your own at some point)

[michaelmclees]

Oh, one more thing michael - I will replace the blockchain lockins of Tenebrix with "standard" multicoin code that allows you to set a locking via config without editing the code and recompiling, if you do not mind (Obviously you need TBX lockins removed but I suspect you might want to set one of your own at some point)

I don't know what that means.

[Lolcust]

Oh, one more thing michael - I will replace the blockchain lockins of Tenebrix with "standard" multicoin code that allows you to set a locking via config without editing the code and recompiling, if you do not mind (Obviously you need TBX lockins removed but I suspect you might want to set one of your own at some point)

I don't know what that means.

Blockchain lockin is a mechanism to "canonize" blocks so that should something Weird happen, all blocks before No X survive, no matter what.

If you recall namecoin affair, one of the concerns was that at the moment of the attack, they didn't have any.

TBX has lockins specific to its chain, since you're making a new one, you'll need a new lockin and I'll make you a way to set a single lockin via config, so that when you reach, say, block 100 or so, you just plug its hash into a certain config option and don't need no recompile

[michaelmclees]

Gotcha.  So I choose to lock in after 151 blocks (genesis becomes canon) using a hash (you may make that the first lock-in if you wish) and in the future, if I choose to do another at block 1,000, that may be done without a total makeover of the code?  Am I understanding correctly?

[Lolcust]

Gotcha.  So I choose to lock in after 151 blocks (genesis becomes canon) using a hash (you may make that the first lock-in if you wish) and in the future, if I choose to do another at block 1,000, that may be done without a total makeover of the code?  Am I understanding correctly?

Actually, the code I use allows for only one lock-in through the config (multicoin limits).

However, that should allow you to quickly lock it down at the moment genesis is canon, and later on  you can just take a look at how I did stuff in tenebrix and recompile, it's not very hard.

[michaelmclees]

Cool.  Thanks.

[EskimoBob]

Cool.  Thanks.

Any news?

[Lolcust]

Cool.  Thanks.

Any news?

I said a day or so, didn' i ? Only two hands here ^__^

[TheLaundryMan]

Just wait for sc2.0 its going to have protection against the 51% attack as well and more features. There is no point in opening another currency with known problems, no business will invest in something that could have them potentially lose all their earnings. Public beta opens this weekend.

[Lolcust]

Just wait for sc2.0 its going to have protection against the 51% attack as well and more features. 

Ha ha, it will also mine coins for coinhunter on USER'S hardware. Which is very much like my controversial fund but WORSE since not only the creator gets a fuckton of coins, the creator also does so while eating the USER'S electricity (and working USER'S perishable hardware) and spamming the blockchain with fucktons of "Sovereign Bonds" transactions.

And unlike my controversial fund, CH's will have no nominal upper limit. Real smooth, there.

Ya know what ? When SC 2.0's source is released, me and michals are gonna fork an EXTORTION-FREE version ~__^

[Spacy]

And unlike my controversial fund, CH's will have no nominal upper limit. Real smooth, there.

What do you think is better: 3 years of coins in advance, in 3 years going from 100% to 50% of ALL the coins, or all the time some small % of the coins of a chain, which in 3 years probably won't exist anymore? 

[TheLaundryMan]

Just wait for sc2.0 its going to have protection against the 51% attack as well and more features. 

Ha ha, it will also mine coins for coinhunter on USER'S hardware. Which is very much like my controversial fund but WORSE since not only the creator gets a fuckton of coins, the creator also does so while eating the USER'S electricity (and working USER'S perishable hardware) and spamming the blockchain with fucktons of "Sovereign Bonds" transactions.

And unlike my controversial fund, CH's will have no nominal upper limit. Real smooth, there.

Ya know what ? When SC 2.0's source is released, me and michals are gonna fork an EXTORTION-FREE version ~__^

Actually herp derp the coins that are generated as the tax is not used from other peoples machines. Also, you have 7m pre mined coins. He is generating 1m and refunding people who lost their coins due to mooncoin stealing coins. And what do you have to say about the 51% attack prevention? Thats right, nothing. Keep spamming kiddler. I can't believe exchanges even put up an exchange for your shenanigans. You don't even know how to code and have other people do it for you. It's hilarious.

[Lolcust]

Ha ha, it will also mine coins for coinhunter on USER'S hardware.

Yeah, a fairy makes them out of aether ~__^

He is generating 1m and refunding people who lost their coins due to mooncoin stealing coins.  

So, he's also playing the court, the judge and the jury in a fraud case, like some kind of Coin King ?

Lol, you should rebrand as SOVEREIGN COIN. That will even allow ya to keep the acronym.


Oh, and BTW, did you already ask CH about how his "reimbursment" thingie is audited, and whether an app to automatically audit the entire blockchain for shenanigans is already written?

I can't believe exchanges even put up an exchange for your shenanigans. You don't even know how to code and have other people do it for you.  

I distinctly recall Coin King (Or perhaps we should now call him King Coin ? ) had to ask other folks to fixup his makefiles, so of all people your crowd should avoid, you know, throwing rocks... or bricks Glass houses are so glassy

Anyways, gotta sleep now.

I've got an exchange to open, a site to fill with content, and a fork to make for michal.

Ciao!

[Matoking]

So, is anyone going to keep this fork of Tenebrix up-to-date with the original code base, so that improvements implemented to Tenebrix will also be carried to Fairbrix?

[michaelmclees]

So, is anyone going to keep this fork of Tenebrix up-to-date with the original code base, so that improvements implemented to Tenebrix will also be carried to Fairbrix?

People need to start mining on it first.  But as improvements come, if they are within my extremely limited coding capability, I will attempt it.

[Matoking]

I can try too. I've worked on bitcoin-qt a bit (only the GUI portion though), but implementing changes from the Tenebrix fork should be trivial (as in copy-paste everything and change stuff if needed).

[michaelmclees]

Correct.  That's my understanding of it.

[sd]

Just wait for sc2.0 its going to have protection against the 51% attack as well and more features. There is no point in opening another currency with known problems, no business will invest in something that could have them potentially lose all their earnings. Public beta opens this weekend.

So funny.. CoinHunter has only delivered bug ridden code and insane rants, only a fool would trust him with anything important.

[Lolcust]

Okay, now that TBX exchange is up, give me anywhere from 2 to 5 hours and it will be ready (I can't predict when the Genesis will be found.)

Michael, should I pm you or just plop it here (I'd rather PM since it will be "raw genesis" and thus pretty abusable, methinks)

[Matoking]

Just wait for sc2.0 its going to have protection against the 51% attack as well and more features. There is no point in opening another currency with known problems, no business will invest in something that could have them potentially lose all their earnings. Public beta opens this weekend.

So funny.. CoinHunter has only delivered bug ridden code and insane rants, only a fool would trust him with anything important.

From what I've read, CoinHunter has been praising his own fork without a single hint of actual, factual information related to the new version of SolidCoin.
That, and he starts throwing insults around when anyone doubts him.

[michaelmclees]

PM me when its ready so I can mine genesis.  After confirming it all works as it should, I'll announce it in its own thread.

[MaGNeT]

I hope you bricked it...

[michaelmclees]

I hope you bricked it...

... meaning?

[Lolcust]

PM me when its ready so I can mine genesis.  After confirming it all works as it should, I'll announce it in its own thread.

Oh, you want to do the generation and config-patching yourself ?

He He sorry, and I was crunching and crunching lol.

Okey, I'll PM you the thing without any pregen material (I am not yet shutting down the genesis cruncher if we just misunderstood each other lol) so you can deliver the baby yerself.

It be tricky, but I will give you a 101 on IRC, kay ?

[michaelmclees]

That will be fine.