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July 18, 2018, 02:52:29 AM
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In my case, I have posted my criteria that I think aligns with the forum rules:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4315906.msg41555048#msg41555048

What is quality

- Help others using a special or uncommon knowledge
- Very relevant news with a good analysis or an important implication to cryptos.
- Occasionally, good humor.
- Personally, if anyone corrects a word in one of my translations I will give merit ("of my own")

What is NOT meritable:
- A long post is not necessarily merit worthy.
- If you plagiarise and I notice it you will be in my ignored list for a year.
- If you have been trading merit with other users and I notice it, you will have a hard time getting merit.

An a later addition: Don´t send me PM asking for merit.

Totally agree with your definition of "quality". But, in this meta board, merits are given as a way of agreement. For example, a babycry topic about merit system shows up, high ranked members come in repressing, insulting and meriting each other. What a waste!
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July 18, 2018, 11:43:29 AM
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The way I see it dMerits understood as delegate merits could have two non-collisional paths:

1.   Delegate Merit as @Jet Cash suggest, where by a Merit Source transfers some sMerit to person of his choice (with no Merit added to the recipient’s Merit counter).

This would have the advantage of delegating some sMerit to others on a discretionary basis, and may help the Merit Source to distribute his sMerits with less of a burden and over a wider network. This approach does not increase the overall Merit Source monthly allowance, but it could help to empty it out on a monthly basis, thus increasing overall received sMerit by the forum members.

The disadvantage is that, although Merit Sources are trusted by theymos for this task (as they are approved or pre-chosen on a one to one basis), there should be a certain degree of tracking taking place so as to avoid speculation on the sMerit transfers from the Merit Source to the Delegate.
Perhaps the transfer process could create a TX just like every other sMerit transfer, but where the message Id involved would have to be an internal reserved code that indicates “delegate merit transfer” (i.e. User A awarded User B n sMerits for this post: “delegate merit transfer”).


2.   Appoint a "D" Merit Source. Each Merit Source could appoint another person as a "D" Merit Source.
Merit Sources I figure are assigned a monthly allowance after being cleared, and probably classified in some sort of A/B/C category, where the monthly allowance depends on the category.
The idea is that the "D" category would be a Merit Source with less of a sMerit monthly allowance than a regular Merit Source, but that is vouched for by the Merit Source. This only makes sense if Merit Sources are considered scarce, and as a means to speed-up the process of finding trustworthy members for the task.

Now in order to avoid any speculation or foul use (although unlikely to happen with a Merit Source), the "D" source would need to be cleared by theymos just as any other Merit Source, but perhaps at a swifter pace since he would already be backed by a Merit Source that appoints him.
The "D" source should be a reputable member too, and have decent experience at giving merit with a fair criteria that the Merit Source has cleared. It would also probably be better if the Merit Networks of the Merit Source and "D" source do not coincide too much (see image below).

The advantage of this procedure is that, if there is any real intent to add more Merit Sources to the system with a bit of haste, these would be already vouched for by existing Merit Sources, and could be quicker to appoint.

Say for example @Jet Cash considers @Seoincorporation to be a good candidate for being a "D" source. @Seincorporation has previously indicated on the forum that he would like to be able to give out more merits, but perhaps not become a full merit source (correct me if I’m wrong though). In addition, their Merit Networks as sMerit awarders do not coincide too much as can be seen here:



@Jet Cash has a Merit Network of 270 different members he has sent sMerit to at some point. @Seoincorporation’s Merit Network is of 57 members. @Jet Cash has 18 merited members in common with @Seoincorporation, which is pretty low. Aggregating @Seoincorporation as a “D” source for example could be a win-win: @Seoincorporation, who is already reputable and has awarded quite a lot of sMerits would get an allowance that won’t require excessive attention to award, reaching out to other forum members, while the overall sMerit generated by Merit Sources would increased.


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July 18, 2018, 01:22:49 PM
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In my case, I have posted my criteria that I think aligns with the forum rules:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4315906.msg41555048#msg41555048

What is quality

- Help others using a special or uncommon knowledge
- Very relevant news with a good analysis or an important implication to cryptos.
- Occasionally, good humor.
- Personally, if anyone corrects a word in one of my translations I will give merit ("of my own")

What is NOT meritable:
- A long post is not necessarily merit worthy.
- If you plagiarise and I notice it you will be in my ignored list for a year.
- If you have been trading merit with other users and I notice it, you will have a hard time getting merit.

An a later addition: Don´t send me PM asking for merit.

Totally agree with your definition of "quality". But, in this meta board, merits are given as a way of agreement. For example, a babycry topic about merit system shows up, high ranked members come in repressing, insulting and meriting each other. What a waste!

True, I struggle a lot to avoid that. Sometimes is difficult to avoid being judgmental.

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July 18, 2018, 01:35:33 PM
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I have to insist: less fuss, easier control... Merit review threads. Regarding the user NadiaHel, I have the pleasure of awarding merit quite often to the user. If I miss one post just report in the review thread.

@Dmrdmr - I understand that you have better things to do, but could you consider doing some stats for local boards? (in case you haven't yet)

I would be interested in merit/post awarded in the Spanish section to see if there is less than average, excepting Tokens and Alts sections, which are mostly announcements.

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Now in order to avoid any speculation or foul use (although unlikely to happen with a Merit Source), the "D" source would need to be cleared by theymos just as any other Merit Source, but perhaps at a swifter pace since he would already be backed by a Merit Source that appoints him.
The "D" source should be a reputable member too, and have decent experience at giving merit with a fair criteria that the Merit Source has cleared. It would also probably be better if the Merit Networks of the Merit Source and "D" source do not coincide too much (see image below).

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Or alternatively and on a much more direct approach the "D" source can apply to be a merit source. Even could be recommended by some other merit source that feels is not able to distribute all the smerit given to it to take some of the workload.

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July 18, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
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The advantage of this procedure is that, if there is any real intent to add more Merit Sources to the system with a bit of haste, these would be already vouched for by existing Merit Sources, and could be quicker to appoint.


That's the point. I feel that there are enough merit sources already, that's why I don't think necessary to become one. This idea came under the actual situation some merit sources are living: they find difficult to find meritable posts. So, why to generate more merits if they are enough but the problem is that the deserved users are difficult to reach?

Anyway, I think this is kind of messy, for it would imply some good changes to the code.



Or alternatively and on a much more direct approach the "D" source can apply to be a merit source. Even could be recommended by some other merit source that feels is not able to distribute all the smerit given to it to take some of the workload.

Yep, I beginning to think that this is the easiest way. Maybe the actual merit sources can propose someone become one. It would be really less messy, but the point was to create a sort of "team", with the idea to get all the merits created distributed among some more boards, local included.
You are the merit source on the Spanish board. What is the situation in there, from your point of view? Because I see people earning merits, but one by one (there are some exceptions-deserved), and it is going to be difficult for them to rank-up just earning one merit for each incredible post.
Now, of course, they can come in here, but it will imply centralization of a language, and it is far more difficult to express an idea in a foreign language rather than in your own (I struggle with that every single day, jeje).
So, if the only way to become a Full Member, for instance, is by writing in English, is not a centralized point of view?

Anyway, after reading all the thread, yes, it is kind of messy. A good idea from JC, but messy to implement.

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July 18, 2018, 02:27:02 PM
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I don't think this whole idea is going to do anything good. There are clearly not enought merit sources as it is and if more sources start this practice the situation will just become worse.

If a merit source doesn't find posts to merit or has no time to do it, the right thing to do is to step down and let somebody else giving it a go, there are plenty of good candidates waiting for months to become a source.

In top of this is not the job of a merit source to nominate any potential one or give similar responsabilities.

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July 18, 2018, 02:49:07 PM
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<…>Or alternatively and on a much more direct approach the "D" source can apply to be a merit source. Even could be recommended by some other merit source that feels is not able to distribute all the smerit given to it to take some of the workload.
Yes, the best approach of all is to go follow the regular path, since that already exists and nothing needs to be done in addition but apply and be appointed at some stage. The D source approach is a kind of "appoint me but not with too much of a burden".

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@Dmrdmr - I understand that you have better things to do, but could you consider doing some stats for local boards? (in case you haven't yet)
I would be interested in merit/post awarded in the Spanish section to see if there is less than average, excepting Tokens and Alts sections, which are mostly announcements.
On the Merit Dashboard we can access some stats on the Local Boards, although they treat each Local Board as a whole (they don’t go and break up the data by Subsubsections within).

From that perspective, the Dashboard gives us access to:
a)   Section/Subsection Tab: Filtering by Subsection on the right (select Spanish only), we get the monthly sMerit distribution on the local board (121 July 2018 so far, 131 June 2018, etc).

b)   Post Summary Tab: Filtering by Subection we get the number of sMerits per TX (79,73% of TX are of 1 sMerit, 11,51% of 2 sMerits and so on). We can also see the number of TXs per post (88,80% of posts receive only 1 TX, and an additional 8,68% receive 2 TXs).

c)   Ranking Section: Filtering by Subsection we get a list of who the top meriters are (Paxmao 404, freemind1 79, and so on), the top merited (120 Gothorum, 83 solonosquedauna, etc), and the top merited threads (105 Nuevo Sistema de méritos en Bitcointalk, etc. – aggregates not by post, but by thread).

d)   TXs: Filter by Subsection to see all TXs in the subsection.

e)   Potential Merit Sources: Filter by Subsection to see how many users a given member has given merit to, how much he sent, number of TXs, average per Tx.

On all these tabs you can also use the Date Range slider to see the data narrow down to a specific date range (use the slider or click on the date to select it from calendar or provide it manually).

If you need it broken down further tell me and we can create a post on the Spanish Local board with the stats, or I could try to bring a third level (section/subsection/subsubsection) on to the dashboard to include/exclude "subsubsections" (I need to cleanse the data though for that level).

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Yep, I beginning to think that this is the easiest way. Maybe the actual merit sources can propose someone become one. It would be really less messy, but the point was to create a sort of "team", with the idea to get all the merits created distributed among some more boards, local included.
Where I came(Sri Lanka) from actually doesn't have any local board. But there is a "sinhala" thread started by our senior members but i didn't feel to post or even read there since almost all of them are talking only about bounties and airdops. So can we go one more step further for "local threads" where actually didn't have any local board.

I'm thinking about how to initiate a good thread(not the Bountytalk) with senior members for our local community where we can share our knowledge with our native language.

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...and it is going to be difficult for them to rank-up just earning one merit for each incredible post.
Now, of course, they can come in here, but it will imply centralization of a language, and it is far more difficult to express an idea in a foreign language rather than in your own (I struggle with that every single day, jeje).
So true. Sometimes i feeled I haven't been posted what I actually want to express due to language barrier. However I'm trying my best to learn English everyday and I have learned lot by reading threads made by top English posters. When I reading a thread(especially serious discussion board) I used a online dictionary  to find out English terms which not oftenly used in our society.

At the end of the day if we can't change the rules so we have to be changed in order to gain more from forum.
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July 18, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
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So true. Sometimes i feeled I haven't been posted what I actually want to express due to language barrier. However I'm trying my best to learn English everyday and I have learned lot by reading threads made by top English posters. When I reading a thread(especially serious discussion board) I used a online dictionary  to find out English terms which not oftenly used in our society.


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Yep, I beginning to think that this is the easiest way. Maybe the actual merit sources can propose someone become one. It would be really less messy, but the point was to create a sort of "team", with the idea to get all the merits created distributed among some more boards, local included.
You are the merit source on the Spanish board. What is the situation in there, from your point of view?


I am currently one of the merit sources that can understand / write Spanish, I believe there is at least one other.  The section has low activity, but at the same time the "spam" is relatively low. Some members are really amazing, perhaps a dozen of them. Four of them, I don´t know if they are alts, provide some news daily with more or less fortune. Regarding merit, we are lucky to have some generous members that many times send merit before me.

It is true, I normally give 1 merit at the time... perhaps I should consider rising that a bit for the higher ranking users, since 1 merit for a Junior is really cool but a Senior needs a lot to rank up. I think that I have enough sMerit for the "size" of the section, but nobody stops any other user to apply to be a merit source.

My objective is clear: I want more people engaged on the local section, sharing knowledge, asking intelligent questions and providing information. There are 400 millions of Spanish speakers and we have our own home here in the forum.






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Yes, the best approach of all is to go follow the regular path, since that already exists and nothing needs to be done in addition but apply and be appointed at some stage. The D source approach is a kind of "appoint me but not with too much of a burden".

Fair enough. Like a mini-source.

On the Merit Dashboard we can access some stats on the Local Boards, although they treat each Local Board as a whole (they don’t go and break up the data by Subsubsections within).

From that perspective, the Dashboard gives us access to:
a)   Section/Subsection Tab: Filtering by Subsection on the right (select Spanish only), we get the monthly sMerit distribution on the local board (121 July 2018 so far, 131 June 2018, etc).

b)   Post Summary Tab: Filtering by Subection we get the number of sMerits per TX (79,73% of TX are of 1 sMerit, 11,51% of 2 sMerits and so on). We can also see the number of TXs per post (88,80% of posts receive only 1 TX, and an additional 8,68% receive 2 TXs).

c)   Ranking Section: Filtering by Subsection we get a list of who the top meriters are (Paxmao 404, freemind1 79, and so on), the top merited (120 Gothorum, 83 solonosquedauna, etc), and the top merited threads (105 Nuevo Sistema de méritos en Bitcointalk, etc. – aggregates not by post, but by thread).

d)   TXs: Filter by Subsection to see all TXs in the subsection.

e)   Potential Merit Sources: Filter by Subsection to see how many users a given member has given merit to, how much he sent, number of TXs, average per Tx.

On all these tabs you can also use the Date Range slider to see the data narrow down to a specific date range (use the slider or click on the date to select it from calendar or provide it manually).

If you need it broken down further tell me and we can create a post on the Spanish Local board with the stats, or I could try to bring a third level (section/subsection/subsubsection) on to the dashboard to include/exclude "subsubsections" (I need to cleanse the data though for that level).

Cool, I will tinker around a bit to see if I can make sense of the data. 404 points awarded mostly 1 by 1 ... I am spending too much time in crypto Smiley

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August 03, 2018, 04:14:49 PM
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I'm continuing with my alphabet marketing policy for sMerits, and I've just invented hMerits - the first thread about them is on the beginners board here.

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4811776.0

I'm doing this because I do want to help Juniors and others to gain merits, but I finding that I have to create threads to encourage meritable posts. The introduction of dMerits would make life a lot easier for some merit sources.

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