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February 14, 2014, 07:03:32 AM
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I've never understood ( assuming the admins do drugs ) why people would be shocked that drug users can't pull it together and run a site. I'm shocked!

People's ignorance and hypocracy about drugs is shocking.  The majority of business owners, entrepreneurs, successful people, drink alcohol at the very least.

Alcohol is a hard drug with a successful marketing machine behind it.

I suppose you're not a drug user at all?  You don't use alcohol, caffeine, nicotene?

Ya ya right ...thats why they all get hacked when your high on your supply shit happens.   Alcohol is not like meth or heroin sorry.

I've used all 3 you mentioned  but none compare to meth or heroin.

The most popular purchases for US Silk Road users are MDMA, LSD, and Marijuana, in that order.  All three of these drugs are less dangerous and addictive than alcohol:

http://qz.com/162021/the-most-popular-drugs-bought-with-bitcoin-on-silk-road/#162021/the-most-popular-drugs-bought-with-bitcoin-on-silk-road/

Meth and heroin didn't even make the list.  Silk Road gets used primarily by intelligent, tech-saavy young adults as a place to procure substances that are less dangerous than alcohol.

There you go . Include  MDMA ,LSD and yes Marijuana. Your fooling yourself if you don't think drugs play a part in the downfall of these sort of things.  All the drugs you mentioned are evenly addictive.  I'm not referring to the users, I'm speaking about the owners of the site and/or the vendors also. These vendors are morons if you ask me and def. high on their own supply. Some of the stuff they do is mind blowing stupid like that Ross Ulbert guy . He made so many mistakes its like amateur hour. You can brush this stuff off, but the reality is drugs FUCK YOUR MIND up.

Jesus christ, what are you 12 years old or something? Any mother fucker who has never done drugs is a fucking loser. Seriously, they are the biggest weirdos on the planet. It is in our nature to get a buzz. Kids spin in circles to do it. People who have done psychedelics have a better grasp/vision of how great and yet how meaningless life on this earth can be. Anybody who never has or never will divulge into a drug is a fucking robot.

But hey, I'll lighten up a bit, it's not your fault. You really had no choice, as your only doing what your brain told you to do (Just a theory of mine :-))
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February 14, 2014, 07:06:51 AM
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Why would the creator of Silk Road 2.0 sabotage his business like that by stealing all the money from the marketplace? Wouldn't he have made more money from the business long term instead of just taking the money and running, if he even took it in the first place?

You're basically asking "Why would someone run off with a couple million dollars?" 

Is it really that hard to understand?
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February 14, 2014, 07:12:21 AM
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Christ, reading this it's like Occam came to bitcointalk and traded in his razor for a plastic spork.

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February 14, 2014, 08:20:57 AM
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so this was an indirect gox'd

SR2.0 uses Goxing to use as excuse to get coins.

As far as I can make out malibility doesn't work that way.

Any where sr 2.0 users just got Proxy Gox'd

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February 14, 2014, 08:33:46 AM
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Come on! How does a malleability attack steal their all coins 'SLOWLY' and they don't notice it until all of them are gone?
They stole the coins themselves and took advantage of the malleability situation as an excuse.

Ok, I'll bite.  In this scenario there are two ledgers.  One is the bitcoin block chain and the second is SR2 escrow service.

The interacton/use case goes like this:

1) Vendor A withdraws some money from SR2 escrow
2) the SR2 escrow sends a payment to the bitcoin P2P network
3) SR2 escrow records the payment's txid in it's database
4) waits for confirm (a miner to include it in the block)
5) before it's confirmed, Vendor A changes the txid (using malleability)
6) Vendor A broadcasts this transaction to the bitcoin network
7) Since, the inputs are the same, bitcoin network code sees this as a double spend
8 ) bitcoin marks the orignal transaction as dead (no miners will include it in a block)
9) SR2 escrow receives notification that the oridinal txid is dead
Note: this where all the websites are changing their code base, like SR2 should have when the bug exploit was discovered>
10)  SR2 escrow credits the vendors account for the "dead" funds, believing they are still in the escrow wallet (escrow ledger is now out of synch)
11)  the malleability transaction gets confirmed by miners
12) Vendor A now owns those bitcoins
13) Vendor A now goes into the SR2 escrow service and requests payment again
14) Vendor A is now at step 1 again and continues until the escrow wallet is no longer able to fulfill withdraw requests
14a) Process complete: SR2 sends out a sad message about their wallet being empty


so yes you can lose BTC with transaction malleability.

How do you defeat this?  

There are several ways:
  • you send a request to the network for transactions on your wallet address and look to see if there are any between you and Vendor A on the network (check that the inputs aren't still in use)
  • Flag the account for human intervention/review when fraud conditions are met
  • Re-use the same inputs, so if there is another transaction (mutant) the network will not allow the double pay
or
  • use multi-sig transactions with the SR2 service acting as the "Oracle" (What SR2 is talking about in the sad message)

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February 14, 2014, 08:41:40 AM
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Link & googe cache went dead, but it smells like a scam:

http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/

Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen – $2.7 Miliion

Update 2: As the time passes there are more and more suspicions that this was in fact a SCAM by the Silk Road staff – and not a hack, we will post more details about it once, and if we get the full picture.

Update: The amount of BTC that was stolen was calculated by Nicholas Weaver @NCWeaver – Computer Security Researcher, to be around:  4474.266369160003BTC that are with the value of about $2.7 Million.

It was just announced in a post by Defcon the Silk Road administrator (this post will be updated as soon as we get more info) -
Yes, what seemed to be an imaginary situation until not long ago, just became true, the silk road2  – the site who counted to be the security fortress of the deep web just has been hacked with its bitcoin stolen.  as he announced on the sites forums,  we pasted his post here:

[EDIT: link does work again, screenshot removed]

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February 14, 2014, 08:46:49 AM
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If you keep your BTC on an illegal goods website run by drug dealers you deserve to get your funds stolen...


what if you purchasing illegal drug for health benefits?
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February 14, 2014, 08:56:41 AM
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Come on! How does a malleability attack steal their all coins 'SLOWLY' and they don't notice it until all of them are gone?
They stole the coins themselves and took advantage of the malleability situation as an excuse.

Ok, I'll bite.  In this scenario there are two ledgers.  One is the bitcoin block chain and the second is SR2 escrow service.

The interacton/use case goes like this:

1) Vendor A withdraws some money........
......What SR2 is talking about in the sad message)

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Much appreciated!
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February 14, 2014, 10:44:10 AM
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Am I missing something here? The coins are still there...

https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX

That is the seized Silkroad 1 bitcoins.

I don't believe that Silkroad 2.0 was hacked at all I believe the person/persons running it did a scam and took all escrow money as it sits in there own little nest egg until the buyer recieves there order then releases it.

There where a lot of legal (not controlled) medications on Silkroad at fairly cheap prices. Sometimes much cheaper than the prices in USA especially.

Even seen on there valium 10mg tablets x 30 $22USD including post. The genuine thing not cheap generic.

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February 14, 2014, 11:14:38 AM
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This hack was possible because of a bug/oversight in their implementation...

More info here: http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/02/13/silk-road-2-hacked-bitcoins-stolen-unknown-amount/
http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/1xtqty/sr_has_been_hacked/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1xtsrq/silk_road_got_hacked_all_funds_stolen_cheap_coins/

EDIT: Looks like the summed balances of all the addresses given is 4083BTC.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512
I am sweating as I write this.
Christmas brought grave news. I cannot adequately express how deeply honored I was by your unconditional support of my staff.
I do not expect the same reaction to today’s revelations. This movement is built on integrity, and I feel obligated to be forthright with you.
I held myself to a high standard as your leader, yet now I must utter words all too familiar to this scarred community:
We have been hacked.
Nobody is in danger, no information has been leaked, and server access was never obtained by the attacker.
Our initial investigations indicate that a vendor exploited a recently discovered vulnerability in the Bitcoin protocol known as “transaction malleability” to repeatedly withdraw coins from our system until it was completely empty.
Despite our hardening and pentesting procedures, this attack vector was outside of penetration testing scope due to being rooted in the Bitcoin protocol itself.
This attack hit us at the worst possible time. We were planning on re-launching the new auto-finalize and Dispute Center this past weekend, and our projections of order finalization volume indicated that we would need the community’s full balance in hot storage.
In retrospect this was incredibly foolish, and I take full responsibility for this decision.
I have failed you as a leader, and am completely devastated by today’s discoveries. I should have taken MtGox and Bitstamp’s lead and disabled withdrawals as soon as the malleability issue was reported. I was slow to respond and too skeptical of the possible issue at hand. It is a crushing blow. I cannot find the words to express how deeply I want this movement to be safe from the very threats I just watched materialize during my watch.
I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dishonest actions and use whatever means you deem necessary to bring this person to justice. More details will emerge as we continue to investigate.
Given the right flavor of influence from our community, we can only hope that he will decide to return the coins with integrity as opposed to hiding like a coward.
It takes the integrity of all of us to push this movement forward. Whoever you are, you still have a chance to act in the interest of helping this community. Keep a percentage, return the rest. Don’t walk away with your fellow freedom fighters’ coins. DPR2 returned the cold storage. I didn’t run with the gold. But two people alone cannot move us forward. It takes an entire community committing to integrity – and though this crushing blow will not stop us, it sure is a testament to how greedy some bastards truly are.
Being a part of this movement might be the most defining thing you do with your entire life.
Don’t trade that for greed, comrades.
I will fight here by your side, even the greedy bastards amongst us.
This community has suffered great financial loss over and over again, and I am devastated that it has happened again under my watch.
Hindsight is already suggesting dozens of ways this could have been prevented, but we must march onward.
The only way to reverse a community’s greed is through generosity. Our true character is revealed during trying times.
If this financial hardship places you at risk of physical harm, contact me directly and I will do my best to help you with my remaining personal funds.
- —————-
Now what.
- —————-
Never again store your escrow bitcoins on a server.
Silk Road will never again be a centralized escrow storage.
This week has shown the collateral damage we can cause by being a huge target and failing in just one unforeseen area.
I am now fully convinced that no hosted escrow service is safe.
If I cannot trust myself to keep a hosted escrow solution safe, I cannot trust anyone.
Multi-signature transactions are the only way this community will be protected long-term.
I am aggressively tasking our devs on building out multi-sig support for commonly-used bitcoin clients. Expect a generous bounty if you have the skill to implement this.
- —————–
Until then.
- —————–
1. We will never again allow ourselves to be a single point of failure. We will never again host your Escrow wallets.
2. Vendor registration is closed while we regroup.
3. All listings on Silk Road are now No-Escrow (Finalize-Early) for 1-2 months while we implement multi-signature transactions and lobby for mainstream Bitcoin client multi-sig support.
4. All unshipped orders have been cancelled.
5. Vendors may link to other marketplaces on a trail basis until we launch multi-sig, then we will re-evaluate based on community input. We do not want to be a centralized point of failure, but we also do not want to lead our buyers into dangerous waters.
6. From this point forward DO NOT trust markets with centralized escrow. Use multi-signature transactions whenever possible, with trusted third parties as escrow providers.
Everything will be offline for 24-48 hours to minimize variables as we continue to investigate. The evidence we have below will be expanded based on our findings.
- ——————
No marketplace is perfect. Expect any centralized market to fail at some point. This is precisely why we must unite in the decision to decentralize.
We are relieved that our security procedures protected user identities, and that no servers were compromised. This was not a worst-case scenario: nobody will be getting arrested from this. Financial loss is terrible, but will not put all of us behind bars.
The details we have on the hacker are below. Stop at nothing to bring this person to your own definition of justice.
Humbled and furious,
Defcon


I quit reading about five lines into this guy's letter. Does not come across as genuine to me. That's all I know about this issue.
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February 14, 2014, 12:04:35 PM
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I quit reading about five lines into this guy's letter. Does not come across as genuine to me. That's all I know about this issue.
Indeed, certainly didn't read like he was "sweating" whilst typing it up.
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February 14, 2014, 12:35:20 PM
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"I should have taken MtGox and Bitstamp’s lead and disabled withdrawals as soon as the malleability issue "

the excuse of the day, take one pass it down to the next exchange ...
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February 14, 2014, 12:44:23 PM
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I quit reading about five lines into this guy's letter. Does not come across as genuine to me. That's all I know about this issue.
Indeed, certainly didn't read like he was "sweating" whilst typing it up.

Sweating with excitement about all the free coins he's just got, or maybe out of fear if he gets caught  Cheesy. He seems like a hypocrite too, he slammed DPR for allegedly ordering hits now he essentially says do what you want to the people if you find them.

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February 14, 2014, 02:33:44 PM
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Think its related to Tx Maleability, BlockChain.info do not shows correct balance on my cold wallet... Checked locally, all fine..  AFAIK, it should resolved itself overtime @ blockchain.info.. Is this correct ?
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February 14, 2014, 02:37:25 PM
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Malleability? Hahahaha, the fucking admins stole all of it. What kind of idiot would put money into that website is beyond me.

Why would the already wealthy admins of a darknet site steal a measly 4000 BTC when running the site with its reputation intact would net you 1000+BTC per week?

You don't know how wealthy they are. Fuck, SR 2 has only been up for a short period of time. If 4000 BTC meant nothing to them they would have eaten the loss and not said a fucking word about it as to keep trust in the site.

Also, where the fuck do you get off thinking they make 1000+ BTC a week?

And who said they were not? SR 1.0 made 125k BTC in a year.
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February 14, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
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Malleability? Hahahaha, the fucking admins stole all of it. What kind of idiot would put money into that website is beyond me.

Why would the already wealthy admins of a darknet site steal a measly 4000 BTC when running the site with its reputation intact would net you 1000+BTC per week?

You don't know how wealthy they are. Fuck, SR 2 has only been up for a short period of time. If 4000 BTC meant nothing to them they would have eaten the loss and not said a fucking word about it as to keep trust in the site.

Also, where the fuck do you get off thinking they make 1000+ BTC a week?

And who said they were not? SR 1.0 made 125k BTC in a year.

The new SR is no where as popular or as respectable as the old one.
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February 14, 2014, 02:56:48 PM
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Get hacked and loses coins..
blames transaction malleability.

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February 14, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
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Oh lord..... How did I miss this thread.

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February 14, 2014, 03:15:05 PM
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Misleading thread title.

Should at a minimum be "SR2 admins allege "hack", ~4000 BTC stolen".
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February 14, 2014, 03:39:30 PM
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This could be Inputs.io v2.0
All these (alleged) hacks..

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