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July 11, 2018, 07:56:21 AM
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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".
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July 11, 2018, 03:47:58 PM
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Yes, many also predict that in 2018 this bitcoin price will not reach its peak, and many people who already like no longer trust in bitcoin. But I still believe in bitcoin, if in 2018 this bitcoin price does not jump, then I will remain patient waiting for 2019.

People who lost trust in bitcoin are those who bought in ATH.  People who bought in early 2017 or earlier and did not change into fiat is only regretting of not doing so but they did not lose trust.  They have experienced the volatility of bitcoin price at least twice.  They have witnessed downfall as well as rise.  But after a massive parabolic bull run, it will obviously take more time to recover but who knows usually market reacts opposite what people thinks.
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July 11, 2018, 05:42:45 PM
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we don't know what will happen but what I think is bitcoin price will continue to increase from the foreseeable years to come and it will be a roller coaster ride every time because not all is ready for the technology of bitcoin some are fearful for the risk and some are ready to risk because they are believing that bitcoin is capable.
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July 11, 2018, 05:48:06 PM
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Sure looks like a fractal pattern playing out to me.  Things should be more clear in another 42 months.


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July 11, 2018, 05:54:25 PM
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Everything is possible on the crypto currency market, so never say never. The potential of the crypto currency market has not yet been disclosed by 99%, so there can be a sharp increase.
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July 11, 2018, 05:55:52 PM
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Sure looks like a fractal pattern playing out to me.  Things should be more clear in another 42 months.

What does this mean for those of us suffering from squiggly line blindness?

I have zero expectation of another ATH until the next halving. We could be scrabbling around all over the place until then. I am however dead curious to see how much money is ready on the sidelines if it decides to stretch its legs before then.
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July 11, 2018, 05:59:00 PM
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You may be correct. For Bitcoin's health sake, it may be better that we take a long way to get to the ATH again. Slow and steady wins the race. Rocketing up to $20k again in a matter of days like we did, you end up paying for that high speed action sooner or later. We will go slowly towards $20k, and when people realize how Bitcoin was never dead and it's now higher than ever, the new FOMO cycle will being, exponentially, dwarfing the previous high, just like the $20k peak now dwarfs the insignificant (and insanely high back then) $1300 peak of the MtGox days. The question is, what will be the peak in the next fractal formation? Some say above $100,000 pretty much guaranteed.
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July 11, 2018, 06:00:30 PM
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if it is true and it is more realistic that 13 or 14 so that yege to 20 months I think I do not think it lasts so much last year and I think it was a manipulation the real price of bitcoin does not rise overnight real price is when you scale little by little as it is making firm foundations I say that we expect a good year we expect the bitcoin to continue advancing in the peoples of the world while more people have it stronger will be more difficult to manipulate

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July 12, 2018, 04:36:34 PM
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You may be correct. For Bitcoin's health sake, it may be better that we take a long way to get to the ATH again. Slow and steady wins the race. Rocketing up to $20k again in a matter of days like we did, you end up paying for that high speed action sooner or later. We will go slowly towards $20k, and when people realize how Bitcoin was never dead and it's now higher than ever, the new FOMO cycle will being, exponentially, dwarfing the previous high, just like the $20k peak now dwarfs the insignificant (and insanely high back then) $1300 peak of the MtGox days. The question is, what will be the peak in the next fractal formation? Some say above $100,000 pretty much guaranteed.

yes slow and steady rise wins the game.. and I think bitcoin needs to find a good ground first to build the base for next bull run.  This 6k level has been tested thrice and every time resisted enough to be a good ground for foundation, and I hope the current price action would be last test of this level.. breaking the resistance will be another leg down to may be 4800 level and bouncing off this level would be next bull run, but again not like parabolic bull of Dec 2017 but rather slow and steady. 
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July 12, 2018, 04:41:47 PM
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Yeah, there are too many people holding their BTC because they believe that the coin will go new ATH!
I know bitcoin will have its bullrun this year but hoping for another 20,000 USD each will be a very hard thing to get.
i am atmost 15k this year.
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So do not worry too much about this very human condition with this market condition, but I do not really understand how the conditions for the future, the most feared to go down further but the opportunity for me to buy at a very cheap price, the increase now is not to go ATH for years now, yes maybe in the next few years will be able to reach ATH, waiting for that trust back then the bull will appear.

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July 12, 2018, 04:54:36 PM
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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".

you know what you are doing here? you are doing the same thing as those people you are talking about but doing it in other direction. you say last year's massive bull run will not be repeated this year but you go on to saying that the previous bear market (taking few years) will be repeated!!!

and for that, you are just as wrong as them.
just because something happened in the past it doesn't mean it should happen again.
- just because we had a massive rise last year doesn't mean we should have that every year
- also just because last time the bear market took a long time it doesn't mean each time it should take just as long.

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July 12, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
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you know what you are doing here? you are doing the same thing as those people you are talking about but doing it in other direction. you say last year's massive bull run will not be repeated this year but you go on to saying that the previous bear market (taking few years) will be repeated!!!

and for that, you are just as wrong as them.
just because something happened in the past it doesn't mean it should happen again.
- just because we had a massive rise last year doesn't mean we should have that every year
- also just because last time the bear market took a long time it doesn't mean each time it should take just as long.

You've got it right.  I hope it will work as fuel to patience to expect bears to be long.  HOpe it will be less painful waiting this time.
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July 12, 2018, 05:19:04 PM
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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".

I agree with you.
It is  unlikely that there will be a similar bull run as before.

Right now I think, that most likely we will see even bigger drop than now before we will start to see gradual movement upwards.
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July 12, 2018, 06:00:24 PM
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Speaking of parabolic bull run with bitcoin that happened a lot last year until last month. Now i think it will never happen again, i mean it will happen but not the high peak parabolic. I think bitcoin value will not exceed 7k this year and it will goes down year by year.

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July 12, 2018, 06:03:51 PM
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Well Bitcoin has always gone through parabolic bull runs till now. And the direction in which the bitcoin price is going, it is preparing itself for another parabolic bull run. The lower Bitcoin goes the faster it is going to pump. Well eventually as the market cap becomes big enough the parabolic rises are going to slow down.
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July 12, 2018, 06:10:06 PM
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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".
To mention the nominal increase in bitcoin I can not afford because bitcoin is always difficult to guess, and has its own way to make people amazed or disappointed. for those of you who buy bitcoin at high prices you have to be patient while for people who buy bitcoin at cheap price ready ready to generate big profit, because I see bitcoin start green, although not yet craze like last year.
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July 12, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
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fractal patterns only happen when trading occurs due to dumb/lazy bots programmed to repeat history based on TRENDS

natural non fractal patterns is when trading occurs due to bots and human emotion. where they react to live /new situations and TECHNICALS

trnd anals and technical analysis are 2 separate things. its far btter to avoid trend anals, as thats not natural trading. its not even sensible logical trading. its just dumb/lazy bot programming

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July 12, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
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Yeah, there are too many people holding their BTC because they believe that the coin will go new ATH!
I know bitcoin will have its bullrun this year but hoping for another 20,000 USD each will be a very hard thing to get.
i am atmost 15k this year.
Nope a lot of people are holding onto Bitcoin because they are at a paper loss. Selling it now will only meam cutting their losses and eith no clear signals that it will go down they don't have other options but to hold their BTC. They are really not hoping for a new ATH at this point they maybe is just waiting for their next opportunity to jump ship and that is the break even point.
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July 12, 2018, 07:18:36 PM
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Still it is uncertain how much the price can go up and it is tough to predict that too. But I am hopeful that the price will exceed the last years peak. I just love to believe that and let's see who wins.
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July 13, 2018, 02:23:24 PM
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It was predicted by the end of this year that the prices will rise within the end of this year. But the market is still growing at a decreasing rate. Even so, the investors are still hopeful and have faith towards bitcoins. This is because of the positive record it has been holding successfully in the market.
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It was predicted by the end of this year that the prices will rise within the end of this year. But the market is still growing at a decreasing rate. Even so, the investors are still hopeful and have faith towards bitcoins. This is because of the positive record it has been holding successfully in the market.
Predictions in this space are useless; one news can greatly affect the price movement so basing what will happen in the future by looking at the past is non sense. Though it is true that bull runs don't happen every time. In fact you can see that the bull run before december 2017 was 3 years ago.
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July 13, 2018, 07:24:27 PM
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With so many negativity going around in the market, the people are still hopeful towards bitcoins. The prices have still not risen to the desirable level which was anticipated by the people, but still some of the investors are still optimistic. Lets see how the market will turn out in the end.
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So do not worry too much about this very human condition with this market condition, but I do not really understand how the conditions for the future.Well Bitcoin has always gone through parabolic bull runs till now. And the direction in which the bitcoin price is going, it is preparing itself for another parabolic bull run. 
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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".


Someone close to me in this cryptocurrency business did say recently that he doesn't see the bull run of late last tear happening this year again; towards the last quarter. We might as well just forget about the high hopes for this year. There is now quite a lot involved to impede the bullish run for this year. But surprises are bound to happen in the cryptocurrency world so the space for FOMO/FUDS and pumpers/market manipulators are still available for the expected bullish run.

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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".

we don't need huge growth in a short term, I definitely prefer steady growth in a log run, short dips don't bother me at all. I'm one of those people who are here because of decentralized tech
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Nobody knows when news bull run will happen, we can all wish we know the time, but it it seems from all the threads that a bull will happen again, it's just a matter of time.
I think we will slowly pick up again and in a few months and thought 2019 we will be in a new massive bull run.
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July 13, 2018, 07:54:57 PM
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The hopeful speculator inside me, and inside all of us, hold history to account. Every time this "parabolic bull run" happened, people advised caution and pragmatism, saying that the best had already come and gone, yet Bitcoin proved them to be wrong a year, two years later. But it's helpful to have that same pragmatism now. We've to concede that the 20k ATH was not quite the same bull run we'd witnessed before, or we'd read about before. It's going to take so much more to bring it back to even that same ATH, and grow from there.

Not that it won't happen. Just that it's unlikely, at least not for the foreseeable future. The math is there, yes, but the reality that needs to be in place for those numbers to happen? We're still groping in the dark for that.

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July 13, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
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That's what i always said,the huge spike in bitcoin price in december is surprising.Most people predict that in the end of the year,it will be the same again.But in my opinion,it will be a long time to make bitcoin reach the new ATH.
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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".

During the all time high that was witnessed last year which has now become the benchmark to decide whether things are going fine or not, I was among the people who despite being happy about the current happenings was also skeptical about how the increase was just happening without any convincing reason as to why such was we were seeing such increase.

Not to sound pessimistic, I have predicted several days ago that I am not seeing the price touching the all time high anytime soon unless something drastic happen in terms of adoption and awareness or else, I am seeing the year ending on the note $14,000- $16000 if not lower.
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July 14, 2018, 02:27:04 AM
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The price of bitcoin is very hard to predict. But, if we see last year and compare it to now, then we can see that BTC may rise high at the middle of August. I have an optimistic feeling about this.
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Yeah, there are too many people holding their BTC because they believe that the coin will go new ATH!
I know bitcoin will have its bullrun this year but hoping for another 20,000 USD each will be a very hard thing to get.
i am atmost 15k this year.
Nope a lot of people are holding onto Bitcoin because they are at a paper loss. Selling it now will only meam cutting their losses and eith no clear signals that it will go down they don't have other options but to hold their BTC. They are really not hoping for a new ATH at this point they maybe is just waiting for their next opportunity to jump ship and that is the break even point.

maybe, but a lot of people have been selling because they were at a loss. that is why the price has fallen this much during this time. otherwise if as you say people were holding then there were nobody left to sell so price wouldn't have dropped at all.
the fact that it did drop (more than 70%) shows that majority of traders have been selling their bitcoin and now it is done since the price is no longer going down and instead the volume is there while price creeps up.

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July 14, 2018, 03:11:31 AM
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There's a huge difference when we say bull run and futures bull run, i felt that futures has increased pressure on bitcoins and it broke down under the heavy expectations, but Noe slowly and steadily it's rising and looking really nice and I'm very happy to see slow but steady gains coming in. I'm expecting it to end 15k but a strong 25k by year end

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As the blockchain technology is decentralized the bull run of bitcoin will not occur every time. You need to be patient to progress trading with BTC.
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July 14, 2018, 03:30:04 PM
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The fantastic bitcoin price that occurred at the end of last year probably will not come back to us in the next few years. Everyone has hope that it will happen soon but judging from the bitcoin price movement that continues to decline lately I think it is impossible to repeat this year. Maybe everyone who suffered losses should be more patient again to be able to get back the money they have invested on bitcoin at that time. Right now, we need to be more realistic to look at the state of the market so we have to figure out how to continue to make a profit without having to lose again.
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I am fully agreed with you. Value of financial material like crypto will not be stable to bull always. If so, no new investor will rise. Sometime it will bear and sometime it will be bull. This is a normal feature of crypto.
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when more ppl will come to the market, price will go up, when more ppl will understand the technology behind it, that thing that is limited, so they will try to buy in in any price
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Indeed, i do not even expect to touch more than ten thousand dollars before the end of the year, it would be something more than good, but let's be realistic a little bit, it is very difficult to make x2 or even more with this current market
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July 14, 2018, 08:50:05 PM
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I'm hoping for that parabolic run somewhere inside but I also know that we don't need it. Even a small constant rise of 5% a year would satisfy me. The truth is a run for 10000 USD will happen in the next 2 years for sure. I'm willing to bet all my money that we'll eventually at least try to surpass the previous ATH. It can take many years but it will happen 100%.

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Transfer fee is now pretty low.

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I am going to spend some BTC on ETH! Gas for the engine.

Throw some "shit" and see what sticks.
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July 14, 2018, 09:25:36 PM
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There's a huge difference when we say bull run and futures bull run, i felt that futures has increased pressure on bitcoins and it broke down under the heavy expectations

I think that's generally correct, although the launch of futures was just one piece of the overall "peak hype." There were inflated expectations all around. I felt the same thing in 2013. 

The bubble/deflation cycle is only natural. I've studied the past runs quite a bit and the best model I've found is one of repeating hype cycles. They're sort of like sine waves as well. At the peak, we have inflated expectations and people think price will never stop rising. Then we crash and most people become disillusioned. Then we return to the mean and wait -- almost in dormancy -- until the next run gets triggered.

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the peak, we have inflated expectations and people think price will never stop rising. Then we crash and most people become disillusioned. Then we return to the mean and wait -- almost in dormancy -- until the next run gets triggered.

That's why experts says SELL when others are greedy and BUY others are fearful.  Also, you need to adjust your investment strategy according to market condition.  Not many can be exact true about top of high and bottom of the low, some may buy or sell into that exact point by chance and by expertise but otherwise all others cannot figure out the exact top or bottom.
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yes true last year's price reached ath 20k is not healthy because more fomo's effect than and maybe price manipulation by the whales. but I'm sure this year the price will try to ath again maybe big news will be there in august tomorrow let's wait

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As far as bitcoin's bull run is concern, I believe that there was a minor bull run yesterday and it was good. It also helped other coins to go up. This is the best thing about bitcoin, the mystery of its own. I believe that last time, before the fork last year. There was a minor setback of bitcoin in August. I thought that the downfall of bitcoin mid july, was something to say that crypto is dead. Technically it's not.
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It's right that "patience is the key". Because, in the world of cryptocurrency it's always uncertain to why prices drop or rise, it can happen at any time. It's the best if the users hold onto the coins without losing patience.

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As much as the bull run is not expected all the time but the one for this year is long over due so as to give life to the markets all over again. I did read from John Mcafee's tweets earlier today that we should get ready for the bull run!
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July 21, 2018, 01:05:45 AM
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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.
You never say never when it comes to bitcoin, you might not see a massive bull run like we saw last year in a couple of years but i am sure if we are to follow the pattern we would see the same rally in the future and i am expecting that to happen before the next forking.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  ".
For me the current price of bitcoin is the price i envisioned before the rally last year and so i really am not worried and i was fortunate enough to take advantage of the crazy run and we might not see those kind of manipulations in the future as regulations are coming into this market, enjoy these wild rides while it lasts. Grin

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July 21, 2018, 02:28:18 PM
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we don't know what will happen but what I think is bitcoin price will continue to increase from the foreseeable years to come and it will be a roller coaster ride every time because not all is ready for the technology of bitcoin some are fearful for the risk and some are ready to risk because they are believing that bitcoin is capable.
I agree that this year, perhaps, we will not see a good rise in the price of bitcoin as we would like. It is possible that its price will be in the range of 14 000 - 18 000 dollars. Simply, people will already be cautious with buying bitcoin, the code will again be approaching $ 20,000 by December. Even in all will be fresh in memory than it ended in the previous year.
Riding on a roller coaster with bitcoin, we still have, and more than once. Some will be delighted with this, others will lose again. These are the laws of the market.

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July 22, 2018, 06:21:18 PM
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I think the rain of money is not raining continously same as btc paraboleic bull will not happen everytime.it's the time to gain the patients. l hope the sun will arise again with more happiness & profitable rays.. r
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Nobody knows when news bull run will happen, we can all wish we know the time, but it it seems from all the threads that a bull will happen again, it's just a matter of time.
I think we will slowly pick up again and in a few months and thought 2019 we will be in a new massive bull run.

Its true we can't predict when bull run will happen again but we have the confidence that by the way the market is looking right now there is a chance it may happen soon. No doubt we'll have much more bull runs to see.

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Bitcoin bull run when happen no one know many predictors give their prediction but 95% are failed  but bitcoin always give hope to investors and strong holders hold for long term and make profit and panic sellers sell their bitcoin in downtrend. bitcoin bullish trend is depend on supply and demand of bitcoins also many whales manipulate the market according to their need.
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I tend to disagree and think when we take off it will take off just like it did before.  The big boys want in and are shaking the tree.  Once they start putting money in the small investors will fomo and everyone will be buying at the same time.  It will be the perfect storm. 
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This is just my opinion regarding bitcoin price It will bottom out around 7100 by next week.  Rise to 8k again in two weeks and if the climate is right (we’ll know then) it either goes back to bubble pandemonium OR it fails. Better do your own research and study also.

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Last year's market is hard to reappear!
With the government's policy on cryptocurrencies, cryptocurrencies may have entered a long bear market!
It is difficult to enter the bull market if there is no interest in the policy!

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I'm waiting for a long and slow growth. This is much better than too rapid growth in 2017 and a very strong fall in 2018

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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".

Comparing last years graph , Bitcoin should already be starting Bull Run . But looks like it will not happen for some time . Hopefully we can see Bitcoin back to 20k in November , December . In Meantime i will be filling the bags Smiley
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August 01, 2018, 08:14:11 PM
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Still it is uncertain how much the price can go up and it is tough to predict that too. But I am hopeful that the price will exceed the last years peak. I just love to believe that and let's see who wins.

  This is your own Speculative analysis about Bitcoin, yes, i may agree with you that sometime, the price value should be tested first before it break loss. Market is Volatile,  Bitcoin remain on Top among all ALT coin posted on the market, with good market structure, stable fundamentals, and with high level of confidence by the investors on Bitcoin, all this indicators set as foundation for Bitcoin. I am optimistic that Bitcoin will break loss again upward any time soon if not later this month or this year.

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August 01, 2018, 08:41:59 PM
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I have learnt not to be too rigid with market predictions as far as bitcoin is concerned, we have price dip or peaks when we least expect it, otherwise it wont happen at all
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August 01, 2018, 09:29:09 PM
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It is better to have a gradual growth, organic growth drive by gradual adoption of bitcoin rather than by price manipulation, such is more sustanable
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August 01, 2018, 10:53:31 PM
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As for me, the best thing that can be is a smooth growth. Much better when the crypto currency is quietly rising in price, and then does not fall as it was in 2017, and enters the flat.
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August 01, 2018, 11:24:08 PM
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While most of the people are awaiting the massive bull run like in 2017 winter again, it will not be a case again.  While I wish BTC to go into new ATH before the end of this year, I think that reaching 13K to 14K gradually testing every pivotal point before the end of this year is more realistic and more healthy for the market too.

I am bullish in Bitcoin doesn't mean I am expecting parabolic run every time bulls ticks on.  The 20K level that bitcoin reached last year was a enormous craze and mostly FOMO and/or may be manipulation which will not happen again and again.  So, the people who bought at 20K will have to wait for few more years for that massive bull run to return, that's why they always says "patience is key".
If we could predict the future or return to the past, then everyone would be billionaires. Investments in general are very unpredictable, and when we deal with a decentralized system, which is influenced by so many factors, we can not give clear forecasts and can not have any guarantees. One just have to be patient, wait and believe that bitcoin will grow. And I think that the fact that this will happen gradually is a very good news for investors. The roller coaster for business and investment is not very good.
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August 03, 2018, 10:20:13 AM
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I believe that this is useful when bitcoin will go a long way to ATN. Slow and steady. For rapid growth, we always had to pay ourselves. We'll go slowly to $ 20k, and then all people will see that bitcoin is not dead, but vice versa.
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August 09, 2018, 11:35:03 AM
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Possibility what happen last year will not happen to this year.But bitcoin will rise again just like last year 2017,no one really knows when this will happen again but all  can say is protect your money and do the right thing this time that you will not regret it.
Waiting for organic pump and not a manipulation in the market
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August 09, 2018, 11:52:28 AM
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There is no clear basis on when the bull run begin, we don't even know when will be the price change, itvis all because bitcoin is not spend on the company or any institution it is only spend on its economy and it's investors if the volume of investors continue decreasing maybe we can't see the bitcokn price rise it is all maybe becaude of the low demand.
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August 09, 2018, 12:06:08 PM
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So do not worry too much about this very human condition with this market condition, but I do not really understand how the conditions for the future, the most feared to go down further but the opportunity for me to buy at a very cheap price, the increase now is not to go ATH for years now, yes maybe in the next few years will be able to reach ATH, waiting for that trust back then the bull will appear.
Yeah that's it...time will come and give us again a good bull run. If this will not happen this year, then we should be patient to wait for next year as this bitcoin will surely bounce back after this bearish months. It's unpredictable but let's hope for the best in this technology.

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August 09, 2018, 12:12:16 PM
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There is no clear basis on when the bull run begin, we don't even know when will be the price change, itvis all because bitcoin is not spend on the company or any institution it is only spend on its economy and it's investors if the volume of investors continue decreasing maybe we can't see the bitcokn price rise it is all maybe becaude of the low demand.
Not exempted with supplied and demand so that's right, if Bitcoin will not be usable in any bigger institutions or businesses then we will not see the bull to run right away what is best for now is to keep holding and buying while it's not yet been mooning again, better to learn more about this industry and continue to believe that bull will show back again.
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