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July 31, 2018, 12:07:34 PM
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I personally think a single merit is not sufficient, as it's very easy to buy merit from a hero member with 50 merit, producing 50 new Jr. member accounts. Sure, it's definitely a roadblock, but it's probably not enough to adequately curb the bot accounts.

There could be a sliding scale of how much merit is needed based on the age of the account, e.g:

< 1 month old = 5 merit
1-6 months old = 3 merit
> 6 months old = 2 merit

Obviously, this would just delay the more persistent multi-accounters, but it should do something to stop the novices.



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July 31, 2018, 12:16:19 PM
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I personally think a single merit is not sufficient, as it's very easy to buy merit from a hero member with 50 merit, producing 50 new Jr. member accounts. Sure, it's definitely a roadblock, but it's probably not enough to adequately curb the bot accounts.

There could be a sliding scale of how much merit is needed based on the age of the account, e.g:

< 1 month old = 5 merit
1-6 months old = 3 merit
> 6 months old = 2 merit

Obviously, this would just delay the more persistent multi-accounters, but it should do something to stop the novices.

You need to see the bigger picture. One merit is better then nothing which it currently is, but most people who come here don't have any bitcoin nor likely the money to buy merit or an account. Even if they have to go to the trouble of buying it then it's one more hoop to jump through for them. One merit isn't a lot and I wouldn't be against it being more or just making it so only Members can have a signature at ten merit, but it's more about just stopping the completely clueless kids who come here with the sole intention or making generic one/two liners or copy and pasting content. Those people will get nowhere and will never be able to join a signature campaign unless they get the merit in whatever way possible.

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July 31, 2018, 12:18:58 PM
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I personally think a single merit is not sufficient, as it's very easy to buy merit from a hero member with 50 merit, producing 50 new Jr. member accounts. Sure, it's definitely a roadblock, but it's probably not enough to adequately curb the bot accounts.

There could be a sliding scale of how much merit is needed based on the age of the account, e.g:

< 1 month old = 5 merit
1-6 months old = 3 merit
> 6 months old = 2 merit

Obviously, this would just delay the more persistent multi-accounters, but it should do something to stop the novices.

You need to see the bigger picture. One merit is better then nothing which it currently is, but most people who come here don't have any bitcoin nor likely the money to buy merit or an account. Even if they have to go to the trouble of buying it then it's one more hoop to jump through for them. One merit isn't a lot and I wouldn't be against it being more or just making it so only Members can have a signature at ten merit, but it's more about just stopping the completely clueless kids who come here with the sole intention or making generic one/two liners or copy and pasting content. Those people will get nowhere and will never be able to join a signature campaign unless they get the merit in whatever way possible.

Well, it could be even simpler. Simply don't accept newbies or Jr. members into campaigns of any sort, and they'll have no choice but to either step up and level up, or gtfo.



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July 31, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
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We have been discussing this topic from 21 days. Lots of suggestion have been come by the members.
 
Is there any final out come of this discussion Huh   how much time it will take to implement ??

99.9% of suggestions are never implemented, whether they're good or bad ideas and theymos is slow to act on most things. It's good in the respect that drastic changes aren't rushed into, but on the other hand basic issues just don't ever get sorted and the forum continues to circle the drain in the meantime. I've been making numerous suggestion for improvements to the forum for years and even simple things like locking/archiving the Press forum (or at the least sticking some guidelines in there) or assigning dedicated mods to big subs that have no moderator don't happen nor rarely get commented on by the admins so we never know where theymos stands or whether he thinks it's a good or bad idea. Spreading out the workload by assigning mods to subs that don't have them is logical and would take minutes to apply by theymos. Changes to the merit system and signatures etc are a bit more work and require further thought about how it will effect the forum, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't happen or at least be discussed and the longer we leave it the worse things get.

Well, it could be even simpler. Simply don't accept newbies or Jr. members into campaigns of any sort, and they'll have no choice but to either step up and level up, or gtfo.

Well we have no control over that. If there's space there to be advertised then ICOs will pay for it because all they care about is getting as many people as possible regardless of quality, so that's why we need to force their hand and remove it completely so they don't have this option.

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July 31, 2018, 02:19:18 PM
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I personally think a single merit is not sufficient, as it's very easy to buy merit from a hero member with 50 merit, producing 50 new Jr. member accounts. Sure, it's definitely a roadblock, but it's probably not enough to adequately curb the bot accounts.
I think it will be a huge restriction. At the moment, spam bots can rank up thousands of Jr. Members, and thousands of Newbies are registered each day.  A Merit requirement will reduce those numbers: even if they buy Merit, eventually the sellers will run out of it. It reduces a potentially unlimited problem to maybe a few thousand new Jr. Members.

In the past few days, I got many more than 50 Newbies nuked. I'm currently experimenting on scraping user histories instead of just patrol. If that works out, I can filter out higher level spam accounts too.

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August 13, 2018, 06:43:07 AM
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Friendly bump for pay attention of admin & for fair discussion. I think it's a useful suggestion to prevent spam.

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August 17, 2018, 06:07:06 AM
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Well, it could be even simpler. Simply don't accept newbies or Jr. members into campaigns of any sort, and they'll have no choice but to either step up and level up, or gtfo.

What about disabling signature for junior members so that they need to get 10 merits (become a member) to enable it?
In my opinion, one merit is just too little to have an impact.
Also, this method will affect current juniors, not only the new one and no need to airdropped 1 merit.

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