Are we moving towards Centralized Private Blockchains?

[shinharu10282016]

There are private blockchains that are already existing. One of the current projects I encountered that uses this 'private blockchain' is Disciplina. Disciplina is a project based on a person's achievements. It is to be stored on the blockchain. But only the user can see it. It has both a public layer and a private layer. The private layer cannot be interfered with or be seen by people other than the user himself. Disciplina is like a storage. I believe most of these centralized blockchains you are talking about still relies on the 'anonymity behind blockchain' core value of it. We know it is there but we cannot see it, unless you are the one who stored it.

[Nisharawal]

Yes, even i sometimes think on this topic and even i agree that we are really moving slowly towards the centralized Private Blockchains as everybody like government, Public bodies, Private Bodies, are interested in centrazlied Private blockchains and not the open blockchain one's. I also think that its going to happen sooner.

[Dimon888]

Agree with you. Change the principles of control financial system, but the goal will be the one that былa- globalization around the world with one control Center.

[sensimilia]

I cannot save from my logic thoughts, that this will be very beneficial for us because initially bitcoin is called to be a decentralized system and every attempt to turn it into a centralised is looking like an attempt to stand in charge of it.

[Dimon888]

Agree with you. Change the principles of control financial system, but the goal will be the one that былa- globalization around the world with one control Center.

[burakdat]

Today I had an interesting encounter with one of the economists I know. We discussed what Cryptocurrency and Blockchain were and the value behind them.

Here are some key points he brought up:

The dollar is backed by gold, the gold is the bareback of it. What is behind Bitcoin?
What inherent value does Bitcoin have?
We don't know how created it, maybe it's a government funded project
It's just speculation, the technology hasn't been tested yet.

My answers:

At one point, I think I lost because we value Bitcoin in Dollars. So, it's "backed" by dollar technically, even when we use Bitcoin to pay for something, it's calculated in $.

Bitcoin's core values are the following: Open source, censorship resistant, decentralized, peer-to-peer and verification of rules (everyone can be part and run a full node).

We don't know it, and it also can be some guy in his basement for all we know. It's core values prove that this is not government funded project, it can't be. How could they benefit? One of the interesting theories is that they released this untested technology to the masses and let them develop it further to then adopt it if it works.

Yes it is speculation, but internet was a speculation as well back in the days. I heard that when they sent out the first bits of information, the whole internet crashed. The technology needs time to adopt, and since there are so many programmers and IT experts around the world, we will see adoption of this technology even faster than ever before.

But here's the kicker that I have been thinking about since we talked: He believes the private/public sectors will adopt the Blockchain, the governments, businesses to further improve their systems. But it will NOT be an open Blockchain, rather a Centralized Private Blockchain. It will just be Database replaced with the word Blockchain, same principles. Non-censorship resistant and not open source.

I want to know what you guys' thoughts are on this. How would you counter these arguments? Let me know because this last thing has been bugging me the whole day!

yeah some of the exchanges are centralized as we all know of that and when it comes to blockchain for the cryptocurrency then there is a huge possibility to centralized it also as the government for now are entering the world of cryptocurrency and putting it to regularization.

[sublime5447]

Bitcoin doesn’t rely on USD, USD is used as a reference because USD is used globally as a reference for each country's currency, is JPY backed by USD? No right? So does Bitcoin, Bitcoin has its own value based on supply and demand, it’s the basic principle of the market. You should learn more about the economy, before reading articles that might be just figments or conspiracy theories to gain visitors.

[Barbut]

The dollar is backed by gold, the gold is the bareback of it. What is behind Bitcoin?
What inherent value does Bitcoin have?
We don't know how created it, maybe it's a government funded project
It's just speculation, the technology hasn't been tested yet.

Dollar is not backed by gold. Gold is not backed by anything, it has speculative value driven by supply and demand, just like everything else, just like Bitcoin.

Does is matter who created it as long as it's working? It's open source and in 9 years no one found any backdoors.

Bitcoin has been tested for 9 years already, it was and always is under attack, yet it continues to function like a clock.

But here's the kicker that I have been thinking about since we talked: He believes the private/public sectors will adopt the Blockchain, the governments, businesses to further improve their systems.

This is what currently happening, and also a lot of public blockchains like Ethereum or EOS or IOTA are moving towards more and more centralization in order to get more performance, because at this moment centralized systems are still way more efficient than public, decentralized ledgers like Bitcoin. But Lightning Network is an extremely promising game-changer that will give a huge edge to public blockchains.

I need to point one thing, everything has a `speculative value driven by supply and demand`, and supply and demand are people. With our trades, holding we make supply higher or lower, people that want to buy are demand. People give value to everything around.
We are not moving towards centralized private blockchains, governments do that, and some private companies, why not if they want private network, but as the customers and users we choose to use them or not, we can choose decentralized bitcoin over centralized ripple. 20 years ago nobody knew what is decentralization, everything was centralized, blockchain is a step forward not backward.

[0t3p0t]

Today I had an interesting encounter with one of the economists I know. We discussed what Cryptocurrency and Blockchain were and the value behind them.

Here are some key points he brought up:

The dollar is backed by gold, the gold is the bareback of it. What is behind Bitcoin?
What inherent value does Bitcoin have?
We don't know how created it, maybe it's a government funded project
It's just speculation, the technology hasn't been tested yet.

My answers:

At one point, I think I lost because we value Bitcoin in Dollars. So, it's "backed" by dollar technically, even when we use Bitcoin to pay for something, it's calculated in $.

Bitcoin's core values are the following: Open source, censorship resistant, decentralized, peer-to-peer and verification of rules (everyone can be part and run a full node).

We don't know it, and it also can be some guy in his basement for all we know. It's core values prove that this is not government funded project, it can't be. How could they benefit? One of the interesting theories is that they released this untested technology to the masses and let them develop it further to then adopt it if it works.

Yes it is speculation, but internet was a speculation as well back in the days. I heard that when they sent out the first bits of information, the whole internet crashed. The technology needs time to adopt, and since there are so many programmers and IT experts around the world, we will see adoption of this technology even faster than ever before.

But here's the kicker that I have been thinking about since we talked: He believes the private/public sectors will adopt the Blockchain, the governments, businesses to further improve their systems. But it will NOT be an open Blockchain, rather a Centralized Private Blockchain. It will just be Database replaced with the word Blockchain, same principles. Non-censorship resistant and not open source.

I want to know what you guys' thoughts are on this. How would you counter these arguments? Let me know because this last thing has been bugging me the whole day!

You mean centralized private blockchain because of the KYC/AML implementation by the governments or governments taking part on crypto industry? Here in my country we need like blockchain technology systems to counter corruption because just like Bitcoin transactions are transparent. I agree when adoption really is one of the most important factor affecting  the strength and might of Bitcoin.

[Natalie656Rogers]

Every exchange is limited and non-exclusive. The fact is that Blockchain doesn't exist any property. It is just technology to use for profit or humanitarian purposes.

[laracastvue]

Bitcoin doesn’t rely on USD, USD is used as a reference because USD is used globally as a reference for each country's currency, is JPY backed by USD? No right? So does Bitcoin, Bitcoin has its own value based on supply and demand, it’s the basic principle of the market. You should learn more about the economy, before reading articles that might be just figments or conspiracy theories to gain visitors.

Yes you are right, bitcoins will never rely on fiat because the price of bitcoins has increased due to the demand in the market and that is the reason why it was very popular today.

[BeeRoach]

The dollar was backed by gold before 1971.Now it`s backed by promises.
There`s nothing wrong with banks and companies developing their own private blockchains.They have the right to do so.The good thing is that all the crypto users will have choice between public and private blockchain based services.This will create competition and competition will improve the quality of online services.

Exactly, the free market will decide whether privat or public and decentralised blockchains will be more used and popular. Both have their pros and cons.

[kryptqnick]

The dollar is backed by gold, the gold is the bareback of it. What is behind Bitcoin?

I agree with others that this is very wrong for current economy. I can't believe any economist could be ignorant about this fact.

Bitcoin's core values are the following: Open source, censorship resistant, decentralized, peer-to-peer and verification of rules (everyone can be part and run a full node).

We don't know it, and it also can be some guy in his basement for all we know. It's core values prove that this is not government funded project, it can't be. How could they benefit? One of the interesting theories is that they released this untested technology to the masses and let them develop it further to then adopt it if it works.

But here's the kicker that I have been thinking about since we talked: He believes the private/public sectors will adopt the Blockchain, the governments, businesses to further improve their systems. But it will NOT be an open Blockchain, rather a Centralized Private Blockchain. It will just be Database replaced with the word Blockchain, same principles. Non-censorship resistant and not open source.

I think the governments might try to create their own centralized private cryptos which people still wouldn't use, giving prefference to fiat. Other people will use top cryptos more, so the govs will have to adopt top coins. Cryptos are about at least some open society values and decentralization. Inducing blockchain and living the ideas that brought it to life behind sounds like betrayal to me.

[jaysabi]

Today I had an interesting encounter with one of the economists I know. We discussed what Cryptocurrency and Blockchain were and the value behind them.

Here are some key points he brought up:

The dollar is backed by gold, the gold is the bareback of it. What is behind Bitcoin?
What inherent value does Bitcoin have?
We don't know how created it, maybe it's a government funded project
It's just speculation, the technology hasn't been tested yet.

My answers:

At one point, I think I lost because we value Bitcoin in Dollars. So, it's "backed" by dollar technically, even when we use Bitcoin to pay for something, it's calculated in $.

Bitcoin's core values are the following: Open source, censorship resistant, decentralized, peer-to-peer and verification of rules (everyone can be part and run a full node).

We don't know it, and it also can be some guy in his basement for all we know. It's core values prove that this is not government funded project, it can't be. How could they benefit? One of the interesting theories is that they released this untested technology to the masses and let them develop it further to then adopt it if it works.

Yes it is speculation, but internet was a speculation as well back in the days. I heard that when they sent out the first bits of information, the whole internet crashed. The technology needs time to adopt, and since there are so many programmers and IT experts around the world, we will see adoption of this technology even faster than ever before.

But here's the kicker that I have been thinking about since we talked: He believes the private/public sectors will adopt the Blockchain, the governments, businesses to further improve their systems. But it will NOT be an open Blockchain, rather a Centralized Private Blockchain. It will just be Database replaced with the word Blockchain, same principles. Non-censorship resistant and not open source.

I want to know what you guys' thoughts are on this. How would you counter these arguments? Let me know because this last thing has been bugging me the whole day!

The dollar is not backed by gold. Backed by gold means you can exchange the dollar for gold at the bank. This hasn't been the case for a very long time. Similarly, because something is "priced" in dollars does not mean it's backed it. Dollars are what everything is valued in in our economy. Bitcoin, as an asset, is just another one of those things priced in dollars because it's what people are familiar with. Bitcoin's value is arbitrary. There's just a significant enough group of people insisting it has value so it does. I find bitcoin's utility to be very low and not anywhere near the value it currently has. As more people disagree with the price and refuse to buy, the price falls, as it has been steadily now for 8 months.

[hatshepsut93]

I need to point one thing, everything has a `speculative value driven by supply and demand`, and supply and demand are people. With our trades, holding we make supply higher or lower, people that want to buy are demand. People give value to everything around.
We are not moving towards centralized private blockchains, governments do that, and some private companies, why not if they want private network, but as the customers and users we choose to use them or not, we can choose decentralized bitcoin over centralized ripple. 20 years ago nobody knew what is decentralization, everything was centralized, blockchain is a step forward not backward.

20 years ago the Internet was more decentralized because there were no big sites. Today Google, Facebook, Twitter have a huge share of Internet users. And when information becomes centralized, it's easier to control it.
Also, those private blockchains aren't meant for consumers, they are used internally and between companies. Coins like Ripple and EOS are not centralized private blockchains, they are centralized public blockchains, which is more dangerous, because they try to compete with Bitcoin and try to hide from users that they are centralized.

[Fear]

This is very wise to consider that bitcoin is backed up with dollar basically, I have not thought about this from that angle before. So thank you for another point that I can use in my own conversations.

[timerland]

Interesting. With some ICOs, you could almost say that the amount of control they have over the value of their tokens make them completely centralized, even though they may still use blockchain as the underlying technology.

But firstly, I don't think that it's fair to say bitcoin is backed by dollars. Bitcoin's value does not depend on any fiat currency to be maintained, even though it is indeed priced in fiat currencies. Nor is it fair to say that dollars are backed by gold - that hasn't been the case for decades.

I think that yes, we're seeing more and more centralized blockchains being made, that aren't necessarily getting more support. They may be issued by individual governments (petro), or organizations. Most of these projects do lack grassroot support, however.

Blockchain can obviously be used for a wide range of things, including in corporations as an immutable ledger. And that will definitely be explored in the future by many, i think.

It doesn't mean bitcoin will be affected, though. Even with these private blockchains, as long as people are using the bitcoin network, it will function. And people are smart enough to know that government issued crypto-tokens with a centrally controlled supply is no different to fiat, so they will continue to use bitcoin.

[Ponti]

That might be possible and the latest best example is EOS, which has solid strong advantages, like platform features for dAPPS, but hardly can be called decentralized with 3 entities holding more that 51% stake.

[magneto]

Today I had an interesting encounter with one of the economists I know. We discussed what Cryptocurrency and Blockchain were and the value behind them.

Here are some key points he brought up:

The dollar is backed by gold, the gold is the bareback of it. What is behind Bitcoin?
What inherent value does Bitcoin have?
We don't know how created it, maybe it's a government funded project
It's just speculation, the technology hasn't been tested yet.

My answers:

At one point, I think I lost because we value Bitcoin in Dollars. So, it's "backed" by dollar technically, even when we use Bitcoin to pay for something, it's calculated in $.

Bitcoin's core values are the following: Open source, censorship resistant, decentralized, peer-to-peer and verification of rules (everyone can be part and run a full node).

We don't know it, and it also can be some guy in his basement for all we know. It's core values prove that this is not government funded project, it can't be. How could they benefit? One of the interesting theories is that they released this untested technology to the masses and let them develop it further to then adopt it if it works.

Yes it is speculation, but internet was a speculation as well back in the days. I heard that when they sent out the first bits of information, the whole internet crashed. The technology needs time to adopt, and since there are so many programmers and IT experts around the world, we will see adoption of this technology even faster than ever before.

But here's the kicker that I have been thinking about since we talked: He believes the private/public sectors will adopt the Blockchain, the governments, businesses to further improve their systems. But it will NOT be an open Blockchain, rather a Centralized Private Blockchain. It will just be Database replaced with the word Blockchain, same principles. Non-censorship resistant and not open source.

I want to know what you guys' thoughts are on this. How would you counter these arguments? Let me know because this last thing has been bugging me the whole day!

With institutions arriving at the scene, a lot of them are definitely developing centralised blockchains either for their own use, or for investors to invest in. Some are technically not centralised, but the fact that if the founder goes rogue the prices of the token will plummet means that there is still huge central influence over the blockchain.

In that sense, we're definitely seeing more and more of those projects, that are using the blockchain technology, but still retaining that control over the network.

Bitcoin and other decentralised, public blockchains in contrast in my opinion are the only cryptos that are worth investing in, imo. And that's probably a sentiment shared across the community. Besides, these two things aren't really mutually exclusive at all. Private blockchains won't all of a sudden take over bitcoin's market share or anything like that.

[Robust Crypto]

That might be possible and the latest best example is EOS, which has solid strong advantages, like platform features for dAPPS, but hardly can be called decentralized with 3 entities holding more that 51% stake.

Yup...