Bitcoin Around the World

[mizerydearia]

lodcrappo, see my revised reply above.

[lodcrappo]

lodcrappo, see my revised reply above.

ok, since you asked.. "Any suggestions?"

Yes:  Let IRC channels define themselves organically and dynamically, as they have in the past.  Create none.  Participate in many. 

[mizerydearia]

lodcrappo, see my revised reply above.

ok, since you asked.. "Any suggestions?"

Yes:  Let IRC channels define themselves organically and dynamically, as they have in the past.  Create none.  Participate in many.  

Okay.  Then what about the 90% of the people that did not realize there are others in their country that participate in bitcoin community that they could eventually become aware of maybe if ever.  Perhaps in this instance of reality I am doing more harm than not by helping to introduce such awareness earlier than later (of course this excludes individuals which have become aware of such communities prior to my opportunity to introduce them, in which since they already know, no need to mention it to them)

Perhaps this awareness of others in locality (whether through self-efforts or efforts initiated by others) is unnecessary?  Perhaps this effort established by me is similar to other symbolic efforts previously such as considering radio, tv, Internet?  e.g. Google helps to spread awareness of existence of communities, resources.  Although, in the case of Google, people go to Google, Google doesn't go to people.  But again, in the case of Google, how did people hear about Google?  Through word of mouth?  Perhaps my effort is similar to word of mouth in which I, as an individual, am mouthly wording existence of the communities (as well as helping to organize their existence for countries which yet do not have an established organized community)? ^_^

Am I getting trolled/trolling?

[lodcrappo]

lodcrappo, see my revised reply above.

ok, since you asked.. "Any suggestions?"

Yes:  Let IRC channels define themselves organically and dynamically, as they have in the past.  Create none.  Participate in many.  

Okay.  Then what about the 90% of the people that did not realize there are others in their country that participate in bitcoin community that they could eventually become aware of maybe if ever.  Perhaps in this instance of reality I am doing more harm than not by helping to introduce such awareness earlier than later (of course this excludes individuals which have become aware of such communities prior to my opportunity to introduce them, in which since they already know, no need to mention it to them)

Perhaps this awareness of others in locality (whether through self-efforts or efforts initiated by others) is unnecessary?  Perhaps this effort established by me is similar to other symbolic efforts previously such as considering radio, tv, Internet?  e.g. Google helps to spread awareness of existence of communities, resources.  Although, in the case of Google, people go to Google, Google doesn't go to people.  But again, in the case of Google, how did people hear about Google?  Through word of mouth?  Perhaps my effort is similar to word of mouth in which I, as an individual, am mouthly wording existence of the communities (as well as helping to organize their existence)? ^_^

Am I getting trolled/trolling?

Look, you simply aren't going to turn bitcoin into a success by finding the perfect mix of predefined IRC channels.  #1 that's not how IRC works and #2 IRC is used by a tiny fraction of a fraction of a percent of the people who will need to be involved for bitcoin to realize it's potential.

I feel like *I'm* getting trolled.  While I completely agree with your goal (at least I think I do!), your strategy seems to be obsessed with manipulating a trivial aspect of an unimportant mechanism in a way that will actually defeat your own purposes, except that it won't because it's just not gunna work man.

This is asinine.  Sincerely good luck, but I'm out.

[BitcoinPorn]

Am I getting trolled/trolling?

I think you are.  Or you both have different ideas on what is being worked on and promoted.

To add to benefits of separate channels.  Think of you jumping into an IRC channel to discuss Bitcoin in a general sense, not even for just your region, you would still have to deal with dialect from other regions, which visually could be easy or hard to filter out depending on your language, on top of just that lack of closeness and focus a smaller room can bring.  Hell, all this IRC talk makes me want to download mirc, it's been so long.    Either way, I believe there is already a big Bitcoin room or a few bigger Bitcoin rooms, why can't we just have all the channels


I see a reply came up while replying,

"your strategy seems to be obsessed with manipulating a trivial aspect of an unimportant mechanism in a way that will actually defeat your own purposes"

Oh jesus, Obsessed, lol

[mizerydearia]

Oh bob saget, Obsessed, lol

ftfy

[theymos]

Since countries vary widely in population, I think it would be better to have channels for regularly-sized (population-wise) regions. Like this (but worldwide):
https://i.imgur.com/SQmoC.jpg

[mizerydearia]

Glancing at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers perhaps I can evolve the list of channels into using ISO 639-3 language codes instead of the currently used ISO 3166 country codes.

[mizerydearia]

<^_^> foreigndearia: my thoughts are roughly: please let people organize it by themselves .. the most important advantage of Bitcoin is the fact that it's decentralized and people can do as they like, so please don't force people into a regional or language-based separation, but let them organize as they want
<foreigndearia> phedny, So, basically only account for the existing channels and do not take initiative (and relatedly stifly potential creativity) by continuing the patternistic naming scheme for other channels instead allowing other existences to take that opportunity themselves (and also potentially use creativity to allow for slight derivatives or alternatives? ^_^
<^_^> foreigndearia: almost.. but basically, just don't interfere with the process.. you may start your own channel and if people like it they'll join
<^_^> anyway, this channel is meant for Dutch speaking people, so I'd prefer this conversation to be continued in Dutch
<^_^> for international topics people that want to also are in other channels

It makes more sense to establish communities surrounding languages instead of regions, hence the desire to communicate in Dutch and not English.

[Gabi]

So you've decided the way to promote a global currency, possibly the first with true potential to break through traditional economic/ethnic divisions, is to divide everyone in little separate groups based on.. these same borders (mostly)?  And you're going to do this using a medium (IRC) which is also global and communal by design, until will apply your scheme to it, then it becomes segmented and divided and just plain silly.

This will fail.  

Time to step back and rethink.  A project in country X will have many ideas and experiences useful to a project in country Y.  Creating divisions along political borders just because... politic borders exist i guess?  is not going to help bitcoin.


that'll be $0.02

Or maybe he did this so we can speak in our language? Sure, a lot of people know english but if you want to invite someone that doesn't know it well, having a channel with people of that nation is useful

[GideonGono]

How come there is no Zimbabwe? Countries with failed currencies seem like a no-brainer to me.

[rdponticelli]

Glancing at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers perhaps I can evolve the list of channels into using ISO 639-3 language codes instead of the currently used ISO 3166 country codes.

I think that both list may be useful. Country list is useful for people looking for other people who shares the same financial tools (having bank accounts on the same country allows them to merchant easily). Language codes list may be useful for people just looking for information in some specific language.

[mizerydearia]

Added Bitcoin in Lojban

[mizerydearia]

Is there anyone that speaks Blissymbol (zbl), Brithenig (bzt), Quenya (qya), Sindarin (sjn), Glosa (igs), Ido (ido), Interlingua (ina), Klingon (tlh), Láadan (ldn), Lingua Franca Nova (lfn), Novial (nov), Occidental (ile) or Volapük (vol)?

[Gabi]

Interested in klingon 

[Alphonso Bedoya]

To coin a phrase: "All economics are local." The merchants that I have talked to around here in Northern Podunk USA about bitcoins don't care about global issues per se. They want to know: wtf are bitcoins? Then, what are advantages to me to use them? Etc. Decentalizd = local, imo, is what I am saying. Legal and tax issues are "local". Seems like a good idea and no harm done to try it.

[phelix]

http://bitcoinx.com has also got hits from: saudi arabia, iraq, qatar, haiti, honduras, barbados, sri lanka, jamaica

[rudrigorc2]

can you please update the brazilian bitcoin channel?
the old one appears to be forgotten, #bitcoin-br was registered 44 weeks ago is the last login info for the user that registered it is from 39 weeks ago. thats bizarre.

#bitcoin-bra is now registered and with a stable and careful manager.

All portuguese speakers are welcome, those who yet don't know portuguese are welcome too.

[btcven]

Thank you very much for the #bitcoin-ve IRC channel! I'll post the URL here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123952.msg1331821 for others to know.

[Stephen Gornick]

#bitcoin-bra is now registered and with a stable and careful manager.

I've updated the IRC Channels article on the Bitcoin wiki:
 - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels#Local_communities

Thank you very much for the #bitcoin-ve IRC channel!

And that one too.