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October 06, 2011, 06:28:29 PM
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Stephen Gornick
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October 06, 2011, 08:17:53 PM |
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This is one of those things ... in hindsight, so obvious that it is needed. And a relatively easy thing to do too.
Thank you much for taking the time to do this!
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mizerydearia (OP)
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October 06, 2011, 08:28:16 PM
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My apologies. I was k-lined (too many times) in response to this (pre-registering the channels in anticipation of passing them onto someone else for each country for the purpose of not losing operators in channels where others join, I forget to op them and then 10+ people are in a channel and nobody is op). =/ See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47079 |
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mizerydearia (OP)
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October 07, 2011, 07:15:31 AM
Last edit: October 20, 2011, 10:40:03 AM by mizerydearia |
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My method of finding others to manually invite to country-specific channels involves the following: I have three network connections to freenode. One is for all bitcoin-related channels only (log files freenode-bitcoin-#*) Another is for all altcoin-related channels (and some additional bitcoin-related channels due to 120 chan limit (log files freenode-altcoin-#*) Another is for all foreign bitcoin-related channels only (log files freenode-foreign-#*) tail -f ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs/freenode-bitcoin-#* ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs/freenode-altcoin-#* ~/.xchat2/xchatlogs/freenode-foreign-#*|grep --color=always "\.[a-z][a-z][a-z]\?)"|grep -v --color=always "\.\(com\|edu\|net\|org\))" I switched to znc: (list of nicks that I already contacted included so as to not annoy them again) tail -f ~/.znc/users/freenode_altcoin/moddata/log/#* ~/.znc/users/freenode_bitcoin/moddata/log/#* ~/.znc/users/freenode_foreign/moddata/log/#* ~/.znc/users/freenode_foreigner/moddata/log/#* ~/.znc/users/freenode_global/moddata/log/#*|grep --color=always -e "\*\*\* Joins: .* (.*\.[a-z][a-z][a-z]\?)"|grep -v --color=always -e "\.\(biz\|com\|edu\|net\|org\))" -e "\(.*dearia \|Aklirg \|Alareiks \|ali1234 \|Anduck \|andyroo \|App3l_ \|arcane_ \|archevety \|ArmittK \|AStove \|ASY \|Atomim \|baz \|BCBot \|bdmk \|bencoder_\? \|Bitinterested \|blaeks \|Blitzboom \|bobke \|brendio_\? \|Bricklayer \|brilthor \|brooss_\?_\? \|bst-- \|BTC-Lama \|btcm[0-9] \|bv-falcon_\? \|ByteCoin \|caish5 \|cdecker \|Ceaser86 \|ChAtMaN \|chem|st \|Cherothald \|ChrisHC \|c_k \|Clipse \|Clonedead \|cmurrayis \|codler \|Cokein \|comboy \|cosby2 \|cosurgi \|crazy_imp \|CryptoX \|cuqa \|cyphunk1\? \|__doc__ \|danbri \|dapal_ \|darkshine \|DaveH \|Dead_Pirate \|deskro \|djoot \|DontMindMe \|DustySnow \|dvide \|dx \|Dyaheon \|Dynamix_\? \|el_bb \|erle- \|eryngi \|explodent \|faiob \|fho \|fimp_\? \|flyman_\? \|Forconin \|g2x3k \|genjix[^ ]* \|GoMaD \|Graet_\? \|hamitron \|Havamal \|iddo_\? \|InstaGx \|IO- \|iPwnd_\? \|izz3k \|jabawok \|Jackneill \|jarpiain \|Jenda122 \|jine \|joepie91 \|Jorgeminator \|joxu \|jscinoz \|Kacheltje \|Kallimeo \|kanoi \|kaptah \|Ken\` \|kinlo \|Kolky \|kubicek_\? \|kW_\? \|LagMo \|Lambdacore \|larsivi \|lasdj \|LazyDaisy \|linuxthefish_ \|lollo64it \|loltu \|Lopuz \|Ludak32 \|lyon667.* \|magnetron \|marf_away \|MasterSpooge \|Maxell \|MaxSan1\? \|MC-Eeepc \|michal\[t\] \|micols \|mindphlux \|Misiur1\? \|mmoya \|mnass_\? \|mnc \|molecular \|MoonShad0w\`\? \|Moredread \|mperth \|MrDDisBack \|MrTiggr \|msb8r \|mtrlt_\? \|N30ph4r1s \|nachti \|Nachtwind \|Necrathex \|necro__\? \|NeonLicht \|nick_santa_\? \|nodemaster \|nookieman \|nr9 \|NympH \|oc80z\|osama_ \|paci_\? \|personaluse \|phedny \|phlax \|picchio \|pierreghz \|player3 \|Plnt \|poaroa \|polipie \|povik \|pqs \|prettyrage \|r_o_o_s \|r2k_\?_\? \|_Raptor_ \|rapeghost \|rdponticelli_\? \|Red_Wolf_[12] \|rikurr \|rkos- \|RobinPKR \|[rR]ontus-\? \|Runnigan \|ruza_\? \|rzk \|SAC \|sacarlson \|Sativacyborg \|sbc \|sceptic_ohforf2\? \|scinfo \|SeriousWorm \|shadders \|skarloey \|skelet \|slothbag \|slush1 \|Solid_OhForf2\? \|somuchwin \|soptik \|speeder \|spq \|[sS]teffer_\? \|stellan0r \|sturles \|Sure_Not \|\[t\]michal \|TandyUK \|Thaohh \|Thermi \|thoro \|Thracky \|tioan \|tomat \|topace_\? \|topi\` \|Tracker- \|trasp \|tri3p \|trippp \|tuopasdg \|tuoppi \|tuoppp_ \|u5oyYpt7orfctXq \|uberlord \|ultra_ \|uNuN\^ \|uzyn \|Vib3_\? \|waynerr_\?_\? \|Wayno \|wboy1 \|weeb0_away \|We[l|]vis \|WindPower \|wolfspraul \|wumpus \|x4nti \|XertroV \|xhr22i \|xorAxAx \|xzion \|ymre \|yossarian_1\? \|Zarutian \|zby_home_\? \|zdcobran \|zek \|zemanel \|znh \|zwags \|zzz\?uper \)" |
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kano
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October 07, 2011, 08:15:19 AM |
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Australia is not spelt "Argentina" ...
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Litt
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October 07, 2011, 08:54:01 AM |
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Thank you for doing this for the community.
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gsan
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October 07, 2011, 09:04:50 AM
Last edit: October 07, 2011, 09:15:21 AM by gsan |
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Countries in which my logs show absolutely no connections from any users in any servers/networks:
Barbados (bb)
Botswana (bw)
Democratic Republic of the Congo (cd)
Algeria (dz)
Egypt (eg)
Ethiopa (et)
Gambia (gm)
Honduras (hn)
Haiti (ht)
Iraq (iq)
Jamaica (jm)
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (kp)
Sri Lanka (lk)
Liberia (lr)
Myanmar (mm)
Malta (mt)
Malawi (mw)
Nigeria (ng)
Oman (om)
Panama (pa)
Qatar (qa)
Rwanda (rw)
Saudi Arabia (sa)
Sudan (sd)
Syrian Arab Republic (sy)
Swaziland (sz)
Tunisia (tn)
I'm almost permanently connected from one of those countries (though with v0.4.0 my number of connections went from ~100 to ~10). So it might be a good idea to add them as well. Who knows, the additional advertisement might also help.  |
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bitplane
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October 07, 2011, 12:02:01 PM |
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Seems like a very centralized way of doing things and IMO looks very much like domain-squatting. It would be better to let these communities grow organically rather than having one person have control over all of them, which is most likely why the Bitcoin devs haven't claimed #bitcoin* through Freenode's group registration process. If you get run over by a bus or lose interest in Bitcoin tomorrow then all of these channels will be unusable. Nice work  |
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mizerydearia (OP)
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October 07, 2011, 12:13:14 PM |
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Seems like a very centralized way of doing things and IMO looks very much like domain-squatting. It would be better to let these communities grow organically rather than having one person have control over all of them, which is most likely why the Bitcoin devs haven't claimed #bitcoin* through Freenode's group registration process. If you get run over by a bus or lose interest in Bitcoin tomorrow then all of these channels will be unusable. Nice work Actually, that's not the case. Jeff Garzik owns bitcoin namespace on freenode and can recover channels as necessary. If he is run over by bus, then all of #bitcoin-* may be at a risk? ._. Also, my method is to prepare the channels in anticipation for others to take over as communities form. This should take only a few days actually, and is already progressing rather nicely. Also, since I rarely go outside and instead sit at my computers 24/7, the chances of getting hit by a bus are rather slim. Even if a bus were to crash into the home I am currently residing in, I am not in a room that would be impacted and cause death or injury. A bus would not be able to reach me. Otherwise, do you mean pc bus? Also, I noticed the following channels seem to have been abandoned or are opless and I have contacted jgarzik to recover them: #bitcoin-at #bitcoin-bg #bitcoin-br #bitcoin-es #bitcoin-eu #bitcoin-in #bitcoin-no #bitcoin-otc-sv #bitcoin-ru |
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mizerydearia (OP)
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October 07, 2011, 12:20:31 PM |
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Countries in which my logs show absolutely no connections from any users in any servers/networks:
Barbados (bb)
Botswana (bw)
Democratic Republic of the Congo (cd)
Algeria (dz)
Egypt (eg)
Ethiopa (et)
Gambia (gm)
Honduras (hn)
Haiti (ht)
Iraq (iq)
Jamaica (jm)
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (kp)
Sri Lanka (lk)
Liberia (lr)
Myanmar (mm)
Malta (mt)
Malawi (mw)
Nigeria (ng)
Oman (om)
Panama (pa)
Qatar (qa)
Rwanda (rw)
Saudi Arabia (sa)
Sudan (sd)
Syrian Arab Republic (sy)
Swaziland (sz)
Tunisia (tn)
I'm almost permanently connected from one of those countries (though with v0.4.0 my number of connections went from ~100 to ~10). So it might be a good idea to add them as well. Who knows, the additional advertisement might also help. See updated list in first post. If anyone lives in any of these countries, feel free to create the channel and register it and let me know and I'll add it to original post. |
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October 07, 2011, 04:35:23 PM |
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#bitcoin-ar Bitcoin in Argentina
#bitcoin-aus Bitcoin in Argentina
typo
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lodcrappo
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October 09, 2011, 03:06:22 AM
Last edit: October 09, 2011, 03:18:29 AM by lodcrappo |
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So you've decided the way to promote a global currency, possibly the first with true potential to break through traditional economic/ethnic divisions, is to divide everyone in little separate groups based on.. these same borders (mostly)? And you're going to do this using a medium (IRC) which is also global and communal by design, until will apply your scheme to it, then it becomes segmented and divided and just plain silly.
This will fail.
Time to step back and rethink. A project in country X will have many ideas and experiences useful to a project in country Y. Creating divisions along political borders just because... politic borders exist i guess? is not going to help bitcoin.
that'll be $0.02
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BitcoinPorn
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October 09, 2011, 03:24:45 AM |
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So you've decided the way to promote a global currency, possibly the first with true potential to break through traditional economic/ethnic divisions, is to divide everyone in little separate groups based on.. these same borders (mostly)? And you're going to do this using a medium (IRC) which is also global and communal by design, until will apply your scheme to it, then it becomes segmented and divided and just plain silly.
This will fail.
Time to step back and rethink. A project in country X will have many ideas and experiences useful to a project in country Y. Creating divisions along political borders just because... politic borders exist i guess? is not going to help bitcoin.
that'll be $0.02
Calm down their buddy, one world changing revolution at a time. First we change the money, then we can eliminate those invisible lines that divide us all. IRC is an established way for people to communicate instantly, regions help organize language barriers, I'm not seeing this as negatively as you at all. |
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lodcrappo
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October 09, 2011, 03:30:37 AM |
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So you've decided the way to promote a global currency, possibly the first with true potential to break through traditional economic/ethnic divisions, is to divide everyone in little separate groups based on.. these same borders (mostly)? And you're going to do this using a medium (IRC) which is also global and communal by design, until will apply your scheme to it, then it becomes segmented and divided and just plain silly.
This will fail.
Time to step back and rethink. A project in country X will have many ideas and experiences useful to a project in country Y. Creating divisions along political borders just because... politic borders exist i guess? is not going to help bitcoin.
that'll be $0.02
Calm down their buddy, one world changing revolution at a time. First we change the money, then we can eliminate those invisible lines that divide us all. IRC is an established way for people to communicate instantly, regions help organize language barriers, I'm not seeing this as negatively as you at all. I don't see it as negative at all, I see it as having basically no influence or usefulness whatsoever. It won't hurt anything. Well.. I do think its a shame that the basic premise (as I understand it, to help people who want to promote bitcoin in their locality in a variety of ways) will not be served well by the silly design of this effort, because I think it would be great to promote that type of thing. edit - btw language division is != political border. many counties have significant numbers of people speaking different languages, and of course most languages shared are by many countries. you're probably right that having channels for english speakers, spanish speakers and so on would be a good idea, and often that is how IRC works, whether by official design or simply by self selection. however, that is the only practical reason to have multiple channels that are supposed to be serving the same goal imho. |
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BitcoinPorn
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October 09, 2011, 03:36:33 AM |
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I guess we'll see then, I honestly have no clue how useful or not this endevour is, but I know there are a million other threds to hate and diss on at Bitcointalk than one attempting to connect people who have common goals.
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lodcrappo
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October 09, 2011, 03:38:45 AM |
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I guess we'll see then, I honestly have no clue how useful or not this endevour is, but I know there are a million other threds to hate and diss on at Bitcointalk than one attempting to connect people who have common goals.
"than one attempting to connect people who have common goals." by dividing them into hundreds of different channels... are you still not seeing the futility here?  like i said, i think the premise is a good one. the implementation needs to be corrected. |
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BitcoinPorn
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October 09, 2011, 03:56:44 AM |
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"than one attempting to connect people who have common goals." by dividing them into hundreds of different channels... are you still not seeing the futility here? like i said, i think the premise is a good one. the implementation needs to be corrected. I thought about it, I had a much longer reply, but honest it is not necessary. I do not see the futility of many groups working separately toward a common goal. With those separations representing not only possible changes in language, but of course law and politics, on top of a million other region specific issues that it would be best to have teams focused on those issues rather than a whole group seeing a million issues that do not all apply to each other. Isn't this why terrorism works? Because they do it in cells or something. |
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lodcrappo
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October 09, 2011, 04:09:07 AM |
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"than one attempting to connect people who have common goals." by dividing them into hundreds of different channels... are you still not seeing the futility here? like i said, i think the premise is a good one. the implementation needs to be corrected. I thought about it, I had a much longer reply, but honest it is not necessary. I do not see the futility of many groups working separately toward a common goal. With those separations representing not only possible changes in language, but of course law and politics, on top of a million other region specific issues that it would be best to have teams focused on those issues rather than a whole group seeing a million issues that do not all apply to each other. Isn't this why terrorism works? Because they do it in cells or something. There is truth behind your points, but in my opinion the minor inconvenience of filtering through the occasional discussion that doesn't apply directly to your own situation is *far* outweighed by the value of meeting and talking with as many like minded business people as possible, and the common subject of using and promoting bitcoin in business is much larger than the minor regional technicalities. Even when country A does something differently than county B, there is a very high likelihood of country C,D,E,F,G doing what A does and H,I,J,K,L,etc doing what B does. The business world is largely a global one, with even some very small businesses doing international transactions routinely. What better way to highlight the advantages bitcoin has over antiquated political based currencies than by promoting international cooperation and commerce? ps i will drop it now. not meaning to give you or the people behind this thing a hard time. i just think its going in a very, very wrong direction from the start here and needs a real correction to have any chance of success. i hope it does succeed. |
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mizerydearia (OP)
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October 09, 2011, 04:16:54 AM
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So you've decided the way to promote a global currency, possibly the first with true potential to break through traditional economic/ethnic divisions, is to divide everyone in little separate groups based on.. these same borders (mostly)? And you're going to do this using a medium (IRC) which is also global and communal by design, until will apply your scheme to it, then it becomes segmented and divided and just plain silly.
This will fail.
Time to step back and rethink. A project in country X will have many ideas and experiences useful to a project in country Y. Creating divisions along political borders just because... politic borders exist i guess? is not going to help bitcoin.
that'll be $0.02
Not quite. Even prior to my initiative there were 10+ foreign bitcoin channels. I decided to help better establish closer-knit country-based communities for the same purpose. However, these communities (on IRC) are not retricted to the close-knit country-specific IRC chans. They can easily join the global bitcoin communities on IRC (See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels) as well. Calm down their buddy, one world changing revolution at a time. First we change the money, then we can eliminate those invisible lines that divide us all. IRC is an established way for people to communicate instantly, regions help organize language barriers, I'm not seeing this as negatively as you at all.
Yep. Most of these foreign channels the dominant language used is nonEnglish. It would be overwhelmingly distracting if, for example, #bitcoin channel were a mix of 50+ languages. Even when country A does something differently than county B, there is a very high likelihood of country C,D,E,F,G doing what A does and H,I,J,K,L,etc doing what B does. This is a good point. If countries US, MX, JP, BY, KZ all agree upon ideaA, ideaB and ideaC and countries US, KZ, MA, PK, CL and IT all agree upon ideaB, ideaC and ideaD, then it makes sense to create separate channels for ideaA, ideaB, ideaC, ideaD instead of for specific countries, since each of these ideas can account for one or more countries and therefore reduce the amount of distinct communities exist (unless, of course, there are more ideas than countries). So, I can alter this country-based effort to instead make use of some other sort of classification to better distinguish or categorize groups of communities to better serve the very same people behind these communities, buuuuuuuuuuuuuut, I first must know what method of classification to rely upon and also I must be aware of all possible values to use to label them appropriately. Any suggestions? However, do keep in mind that this may prevent the ability for communities to rely on alternate languages to communicate with one another as there may be people in each of these communities that do not understand one other. |
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lodcrappo
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October 09, 2011, 04:22:57 AM |
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So you've decided the way to promote a global currency, possibly the first with true potential to break through traditional economic/ethnic divisions, is to divide everyone in little separate groups based on.. these same borders (mostly)? And you're going to do this using a medium (IRC) which is also global and communal by design, until will apply your scheme to it, then it becomes segmented and divided and just plain silly.
This will fail.
Time to step back and rethink. A project in country X will have many ideas and experiences useful to a project in country Y. Creating divisions along political borders just because... politic borders exist i guess? is not going to help bitcoin.
that'll be $0.02
Not quite. Even prior to my initiative there were 10+ foreign bitcoin channels. I decided to help better establish closer-knit country-based communities for the same purpose. However, these communities (on IRC) are not retricted to the close-knit country-specific IRC chans. They can easily join the global bitcoin communities on IRC (See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels) as well. Calm down their buddy, one world changing revolution at a time. First we change the money, then we can eliminate those invisible lines that divide us all. IRC is an established way for people to communicate instantly, regions help organize language barriers, I'm not seeing this as negatively as you at all.
Yep. Most of these foreign channels the dominant language used is nonEnglish. It would be overwhelmingly distracting if, for example, #bitcoin channel were a mix of 50+ languages. So.. the problem had already been solved, but you thought it was a good idea to then apply the solution to all the other areas of the world, where the problem didn't exist. Ok... Look, as clearly labeled from my first comment, this is my opinion and I've now explained my opinion more clearly than you wanted to hear about I'm sure. Best of luck, prove me wrong. |
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