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[Tyrantt]

I'd like to apply, will add signature and avatar asap.

[WaffleMaster]

Scam accusation opened against campaign manager for extortion and scamming

Here's a little taste. Almost resolved it, that's why I have deleted posts, but then he scammed me again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.msg43258013#msg43258013                    

That's just ridiculous. From what I've read it looked like campaign manager was trying to WARN you and not BLACKMAIL. You've made a fuss, what do you think campaign manager would look like, if he paid you after all those posts you've made within a short period of time? You should've thanked him that he was worried about getting you your payment in the first place. Needless to say on BTT in campaigns with high payment managers are strict and it's a normal situation when you make a qualifying number of posts and still not getting paid because manager can consider some of them as nonconstructive. But it's not even that kind of situation now, you were about to get paid!
$960 - where did you get that number anyway? Why are you so confident you would've stayed in this campaign for any longer than 1 or 2 weeks? Any of the participants can be kicked out of the campaign. So what now, each participant should open a scam accusation for not getting potential payment?

Thank you; since he just doesn't get that I was HELPING him get his payment in the first place.

Thanks for all the help! These look really helpful!

[ImHash]

Hi, Can I join here? I really need the money if you could accept me I will change signature/avatar/personal text and will post my application.

[kryptqnick]

Dear WaffleMaster,
It seems fair that you deserve the payment for the first week. Most importantly so, because we all saw your name in the spreadsheet and 0.015 right next to it for some time. Surely, both you and jeremy might have overreacted a bit, but that is okay and it happens most of the time when people argue. After paying for the first week, however, this manager has the full right to kick out anyone from this campaign as stated (and I remember it being stated a while now) in the official rules. The overall length of campaign is 8 weeks, but nobody promised anyone to be accepted for the whole period. This rule is reasonable, because it motivates campaign members to improve their posts when they are in the campaign, not just do their best before applying. Just take a look at history of FortuneJack signature campaign. It is paying huge sums weekly, but members are kicked out on regular basis with no explanation when better ones appear. There is no such thing as an obligation of manager to keep a member in the campaign throughout all its duration. Honestly, you act as if you never participated in signature campaigns before and never saw how things go there.
Please stop spreading fud about jeremy and companies he works for.
And dear jeremypwr, I understand that you had more urgent unexpected matters to deal with, but could you please say when the payments will be proceeded today? Thanks. Received my payment already, thank you!

[WaffleMaster]

Dear WaffleMaster,
It seems fair that you deserve the payment for the first week. Most importantly so, because we all saw your name in the spreadsheet and 0.015 right next to it for some time. Surely, both you and jeremy might have overreacted a bit, but that is okay and it happens most of the time when people argue. After paying for the first week, however, this manager has the full right to kick out anyone from this campaign as stated (and I remember it being stated a while now) in the official rules. The overall length of campaign is 8 weeks, but nobody promised anyone to be accepted for the whole period. This rule is reasonable, because it motivates campaign members to improve their posts when they are in the campaign, not just do their best before applying. Just take a look at history of FortuneJack signature campaign. It is paying huge sums weekly, but members are kicked out on regular basis with no explanation when better ones appear. There is no such thing as an obligation of manager to keep a member in the campaign throughout all its duration. Honestly, you act as if you never participated in signature campaigns before and never saw how things go there.
Please stop spreading fud about jeremy and companies he works for.
And dear jeremypwr, I understand that you had more urgent unexpected matters to deal with, but could you please say when the payments will be proceeded today? Thanks.

This is FUD? No I believe this is the campaign manager threatening to withhold funds that he agreed to send. Also, some extortion peppered in there. Is something straight from the horses mouth FUD? Or is it FACT? Also, there's pictures of him agreeing to make everything right, which he actually lied about and refused to do (lying, fraud, scamming whatever you call it, he agreed in writing to do something and didn't). All because he couldn't manage the campaign properly and made severe errors, which I gave him time and understanding to correct.







part of the agreement

[just_Alice]

Interesting you excluded the photo of him extorting me after he agreed to pay what he was then threatening to withhold. Also, what is interesting is your viewpoint that I'm not being scammed 7 weeks of campaign payment because he agreed to "make everything right" from his error which would certainly include reinstating me in the campaign. That's $840 in potential earnings scammed because here he is in pictures agreeing to what I stated.


Not only that, for some reason he thinks or is twisting me giving him 24 hours to correct the mistake of scamming me 7 posts before opening a scam accusation for those 7 posts, is me actually blackmailing him. Which I think is pretty evidently false. But what to know what IS blackmailing and extortion?

I excluded the photo simply because I don't want people to go through half of the page to read what they could've read earlier, I responded to the whole situation. You're really not getting it, manager never agreed to have you for 7 more weeks, "amends" meant those 120$ for one week. And "you have 24 hours to respond" that's not the way you treat a campaign manager, that actually is a blackmail and who are you to lay down conditions?

[WaffleMaster]

Interesting you excluded the photo of him extorting me after he agreed to pay what he was then threatening to withhold. Also, what is interesting is your viewpoint that I'm not being scammed 7 weeks of campaign payment because he agreed to "make everything right" from his error which would certainly include reinstating me in the campaign. That's $840 in potential earnings scammed because here he is in pictures agreeing to what I stated.


Not only that, for some reason he thinks or is twisting me giving him 24 hours to correct the mistake of scamming me 7 posts before opening a scam accusation for those 7 posts, is me actually blackmailing him. Which I think is pretty evidently false. But what to know what IS blackmailing and extortion?

I excluded the photo simply because I don't want people to go through half of the page to read what they could've read earlier, I responded to the whole situation.

Fair enough

You're really not getting it, manager never agreed to have you for 7 more weeks, "amends" meant those 120$ for one week. And "you have 24 hours to respond" that's not the way you treat a campaign manager, that actually is a blackmail and who are you to lay down conditions?

I think you're the one that's really not getting it. Here's the offer which he said "Yes, amends" to. "everything made right" "continue as normal" very clear words that mean everything goes back to the way it should. You honestly think that me allowing him time, a person who kicked me out in error and is giving me reduced pay in error, is blackmail because I granted him the courtesy to have time to think about and deal with his errors? Or should I have just opened a scam accusation immediately without even giving him a chance? Insane logic here, that me giving time and understanding to somebody to correct an issue is blackmail. Absolutely batshit.

[just_Alice]

I think you're the one that's really not getting it. Here's the offer which he said "Yes, amends" to. "everything made right" "continue as normal" very clear words that mean everything goes back to the way it should.

Exactly, and the way it should be - you're getting your payment for one week, nothing more.
In the rules it was stated that manager can remove you from the campaign for whatever reason and threatening to give scam accusation for one small mistake which he was about to fix seems like a good reason. I think if you behaved more politely there could've been a chance for you to stay, but not sure here, maybe manager just didn't like your posts quality, it's seriously up to him.

[WaffleMaster]

I think you're the one that's really not getting it. Here's the offer which he said "Yes, amends" to. "everything made right" "continue as normal" very clear words that mean everything goes back to the way it should.

Exactly, and the way it should be - you're getting your payment for one week, nothing more.
In the rules it was stated that manager can remove you from the campaign for whatever reason and threatening to give scam accusation for one small mistake which he was about to fix seems like a good reason. I think if you behaved more politely there could've been a chance for you to stay, but not sure here, maybe manager just didn't like your posts quality, it's seriously up to him.

Do you know what "return to normal" means? It means going back to how it was before the error happened...which is pretty self explanatory and something he agreed to. But... it didn't happen even after we scrubbed the confrontation from being seen by anybody else. I don't think you're correct about staying if I said something differently. I was very reasonable through the whole thing, willing to put it past us. Gave him benefit of the doubt and the time to look over things in case he couldn't be on the forum immediately. But he had other ideas. Like in these photos. Do you think that's ok to threaten people? Withhold payment you said you'd pay? Continually say he shouldn't pay me for services I already completed?

[BitcoinArsenal]

Thank you very much! I just received my first payment

[WaffleMaster]

Thank you very much! I just received my first payment

Hey, great news! Glad he didn't pull any of these moves on you this week!

[jeremypwr]

Interesting you excluded the photo of him extorting me after he agreed to pay what he was then threatening to withhold. Also, what is interesting is your viewpoint that I'm not being scammed 7 weeks of campaign payment because he agreed to "make everything right" from his error which would certainly include reinstating me in the campaign. That's $840 in potential earnings scammed because here he is in pictures agreeing to what I stated.


Not only that, for some reason he thinks or is twisting me giving him 24 hours to correct the mistake of scamming me 7 posts before opening a scam accusation for those 7 posts, is me actually blackmailing him. Which I think is pretty evidently false. But what to know what IS blackmailing and extortion?

I excluded the photo simply because I don't want people to go through half of the page to read what they could've read earlier, I responded to the whole situation. You're really not getting it, manager never agreed to have you for 7 more weeks, "amends" meant those 120$ for one week. And "you have 24 hours to respond" that's not the way you treat a campaign manager, that actually is a blackmail and who are you to lay down conditions?

You are exactly correct, and this guy is just upset he won't be making any more money in any of my Campaigns, or possibly any more on this forum at all.

Like everyone else, he was paid for Week #1 of work. 

So at this point his temper tantrum warrants no merit.

[BitcoinArsenal]

Thank you very much! I just received my first payment

Hey, great news! Glad he didn't pull any of these moves on you this week!

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Give it a bone! All I can read from the screenshots is that the campaign manager wanted to pay you the Bitcoin and you now wage a retaliatory war. I've seen some bad campaign managers, but jeremypwr is certainly not (yet) one of them.

[jacee]

Thank you for the 1st week payment jeremypwr and Bitcasino!

[game-protect]

Thank you very much! I just received my first payment

Are you proud of getting paid to commit the criminal offense of promoting the publicly proven Bitcasino scam?

[jeremypwr]

Payments have been sent 

Thank you all (even WaffleMaster) for your hard work!

[Kprawn]

Payment received, Thank you.

[wxa7115]

I can confirm I received payment for the first week of the campaign.

Thanks.

[kryptqnick]

Quoting for reference. I received my payment earlier today. It is a pleasure to work with you! Thanks a lot!

Received my payment already, thank you!

[WaffleMaster]

Thank you very much! I just received my first payment

Hey, great news! Glad he didn't pull any of these moves on you this week!

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Give it a bone! All I can read from the screenshots is that the campaign manager wanted to pay you the Bitcoin and you now wage a retaliatory war. I've seen some bad campaign managers, but jeremypwr is certainly not (yet) one of them.

Hey, it's alright until he makes a mistake against somebody else and extorts them. Until it's YOU that goes through what I did. Here's a taste of what you can expect when that happens. Threats, withholding payment agreed to, just a few points.

He then said he would close his false accusations (false since they were rightfully solved).

That doesn't make sense. Accusations were correct if you solved them. Solving accusations doesn't make accusations from true to false.

He is only making it more difficult on other participants because I will be canceling my Campaigns soon on account of his actions.

Or in other words, the campaigned party wants to stop dealing with you? Don't blame your campaign participant for that.

How can someone fill out a "scam accusation" when they were fully paid for their work?

It's good knowledge for others to know that you're removing people from your signature campaigns for no reason.

Okay, you're doing too much. What are you, digaran's bitch? _jk.

On a more serious note, you weren't scammed. Not for 1$ ,and definitely not for 840/960$. Both of the parties involved did questionable things here. You, are twisting words and causing a ruckus here and blackmailed him that you'd open a "Scam Accusation" case against him. Jeremypwr, made a mistake and admitted it. Where he is actually wrong is, him asking you to delete your posts. That is not extortion, he gets nothing from it, not directly at least. Its sort of blackmail. And he should explained why he removed you, it would have made things a little clearer, although he doesn't has to.

The best case scenario here: WaffleMaster gets his money for the last week if he hasn't yet and Jeremypwr and WaffleMaster both apologize to each other for their wrongdoings.

And that sig of yours, that's some next level butthurt trolling.

It's not blackmailing when you tell someone you'll open a scam accusation. If there's no reason for that accusation, there shouldn't be anything to fear. Right?

Jeremypwr on the other hand is clearly blackmailing by threatening to not pay what was agreed on if something (which is even unrelated to the payment) is not done in time.