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July 24, 2018, 12:32:26 PM
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So Pangolin has 2 new miners for presale on their website.

The BTC miner is a 33TH unit running at 2145W - for $1999

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Weight
8.5 kg

Algorithm   
SHA-256

Chips Process Technology   
16nm FinFET Compact or Better


Hashrate   
33.0 Th/s (+-6%)

Power Consumption   
2145W @ 33th/s (+-10%)

Environment Temperature   
0℃ to 45℃

Warranty   
180 days after shipment

How are they getting these results using 16nm ?

(not sure why they put "or better" in there - dont they know what processors they are using ?)

Thoughts ?
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July 24, 2018, 02:53:40 PM
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Thoughts ?

Look at the amount of wattage it uses. Yikes.
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July 24, 2018, 03:10:21 PM
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How are they getting these results using 16nm ?

(not sure why they put "or better" in there - don't they know what processors they are using ?)
Thoughts ?
Easy, just check out the overclocking threads for the s9: given the right voltage, freq tweaks and decent cooling they can run in the same per-chip hash rates.

As for the 'or better' I suspect they are either using multiple foundries for their chips or as the 16nm node further matures are anticipating at least 1 more process improvement for the node.

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July 24, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
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so they do 2145/33000 = 0.065 per gh?

and are really by far the best most efficient miner ever made?

So if you purchased the GMO miner  at .082 per gh you got crushed by this miner.

The M10 is like a freaking beast


btw bitmain has dropped the s9i down under 600 to 564


https://pangolinminer.com/

M10 rules  if this is true.

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July 24, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
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so they do 2145/33000 = 0.065 per gh?

and are really by far the best most efficient miner ever made?

So if you purchased the GMO miner  at .082 per gh you got crushed by this miner.

The M10 is like a freaking beast


btw bitmain has dropped the s9i down under 600 to 564


https://pangolinminer.com/

M10 rules  if this is true.

My thoughts exactly. Right now, the M10s have the best specs out there. And the price is pretty good.
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July 24, 2018, 08:47:08 PM
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I'd be leery on a presale. Just look at the M3 that went from almost $2k to under $300 from price wars and market fluctuation. Was a nice pump and dump. Glad I sold all mine shortly after receiving. They used more power than advertised too. Bitmain or Canaan has to be releasing something more efficient to start new price war for GMO and this. Someone will most likely be shipping something better/cheaper before these and GMO even start shipping.
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July 25, 2018, 03:43:54 AM
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I'd be leery on a presale. Just look at the M3 that went from almost $2k to under $300 from price wars and market fluctuation. Was a nice pump and dump. Glad I sold all mine shortly after receiving. They used more power than advertised too. Bitmain or Canaan has to be releasing something more efficient to start new price war for GMO and this. Someone will most likely be shipping something better/cheaper before these and GMO even start shipping.

The s9i is 544 with a 100 dollar coupon. 4 days out

The m10 is 2200 with shipping 70 days out

Tough call to spend 2200 on a preorder

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July 25, 2018, 03:27:36 PM
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Yea, destroys the the b3. 33th is nice but over 3300w. This is more in line what we're talking about efficiency wise in one of the other speculation threads.

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July 25, 2018, 04:35:38 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2390138.msg42861780#msg42861780

This was confirmed more quick than I thought.

Me and Philip will do a review for the WhatsMiner M10.
Philip will do videos like he mentioned and I will do a review document as usual.

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July 25, 2018, 06:06:26 PM
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Yea, destroys the the b3. 33th is nice but over 3300w. This is more in line what we're talking about efficiency wise in one of the other speculation threads.

this m10 is the most efficient miner ever built. (claimed not proven yet)

I am truly looking forward  to giving it a good testing and demo.

If it is under 0.070 a gh  and does at least 30th it would still be the best miner ever built.

I also hope that they   create a lower speed optional firmware.

They made firmware for the M3x  to save power see below

https://pangolinminer.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007140454-Low-power-Firmware-for-M3X-release

An option like this for the new miner would be good for some of us.

The ability to lower power to 1800 watts on low speed and say 27.3th
vs 2145 watts  on high speed and say 33th  would really make this gear a winner

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July 25, 2018, 09:47:48 PM
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I'll be interested to see what the real power draw is. My old M3s were pulling 2400W each vs the advertised 2000W.

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July 25, 2018, 10:23:01 PM
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Specs do say +-10% on power draw...

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July 25, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
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Yes they do, but +10% on 2000W is 2200W, not 2400W... That's 400W over between the two.

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July 26, 2018, 12:04:36 AM
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Yes they do, but +10% on 2000W is 2200W, not 2400W... That's 400W over between the two.

even at 2400watt on the wall

2400/33000 = 0.072727272 watts per gh which is better then anything else

time will tell  I will do detail videos on it in the garage and in the solar array  I will meter it in both places

I will also attempt to test other psu's if at all possible.

I have a 2400 watt psu
I have a 2500 watt psu
I have a 2880 watt psu
I have a 2980 watt psu

along with the stock attached psu.

I am waiting for a contact email  as Hagss setup it up and I should hear from them soon.

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July 26, 2018, 12:09:41 AM
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My point got a little lost, I simply meant I am dubious of their power ratings.

Yes even at 2400W this current model would be nice, hopefully it stays in this range.

I hope I am wrong as my M3s were excellent miners and this one looks awesome.

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July 26, 2018, 12:28:36 AM
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My point got a little lost, I simply meant I am dubious of their power ratings.

Yes even at 2400W this current model would be nice, hopefully it stays in this range.

I hope I am wrong as my M3s were excellent miners and this one looks awesome.

Well my M3 did just about exactly as advertised.  They sent me and Hagss testers to demo..

So frankly we hope this will be the same.

We will let you know  when we get them.

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July 29, 2018, 03:26:32 AM
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We've never had a request for a whatsminer. Personally I don't know much about them. Pangolin is the place though? Reputable? We'll want to list the M10 probably wait another month on the altcoin asic. Nov is so far off in this world.

We're just very confused as Pangolin hasn't responded to us at all.

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July 29, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
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We've never had a request for a whatsminer. Personally I don't know much about them. Pangolin is the place though? Reputable? We'll want to list the M10 probably wait another month on the altcoin asic. Nov is so far off in this world.

We're just very confused as Pangolin hasn't responded to us at all.

They are not ready as of now.  So they may not have wanted to list with you at this time.

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July 29, 2018, 01:24:07 PM
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Pangolin is the manufacturer or a reseller?

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July 29, 2018, 11:01:11 PM
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Pangolin is the manufacturer or a reseller?

Try shooting HagssFin a pm he would know more then me.

Last dec he set the Demos up.  I did the YouTube videos and he did the write up on the M3.

We each got a demo machine.  We paid for them they were sent early at a very small discount to us.  But that was when Btc was to the moon 19900 usd if I recall

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