Pangolin Whatsminer M10 - 33TH at 2145W

[philipma1957]

Status update:
My M10 unit just arrived.  I will start making the review and post it in the hardware subforum as soon as possible.

http://i68.tinypic.com/2j0xuko.jpg

I hope they give us a lower power firmware

Just a bit so gear runs a little cooler and quieter

[HagssFIN]

Hi guys, my review is now online https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5033998

[SDRebel]

Hi guys, my review is now online https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5033998

"This miner won't work in a 110-120 VAC mains voltage system."
Damn, us mortals in the west only have access to 120, unless you are my dryer or any other appliance, those get whatever they want
I'm looking for a decent miner to give me heat during the winter, but where i only have 120 outlets

[Steamtyme]

"This miner won't work in a 110-120 VAC mains voltage system."
I'm looking for a decent miner to give me heat during the winter, but where i only have 120 outlets

It's pretty cheap to put in a singe 240V circuit near the panel. You can use some conduit to protect the cable and surface mount it all. That way you could run this miner.

Just a thought because using the miner as a heater isn't really about efficiency of the equipment. You need all the heat it can produce and you would be paying for it in some other way, so the coins are almost pure profit.  You only need to earn enough to cover the cost of the equipment, and in your case the only limitation is running on 110. That being said you could look into older miners and figure out the best case for your situation.

[SDRebel]

When i say as a heater I don't mean it literally. I have central heating but there are obviously some cooler spots. use space heaters to supplement heat, but if i can do that while mining, why not
I might have 220v outlet not too far from where i want it, but not sure how far from the outlet it would be safe to run it (with extensions)

[SaiyanPrynz26]

I bought the pangolin miner m10 recently and I also am a new miner in the crypto community. Had a little challenge setting it up due to being really new at this but I got it going and was able to start mining on nicehash. I am getting 32-33/TH with a pretty decent estimated payout per month. I have the miner running in the garage with it cracked so the miner can suck in nothing but cold air since I live in the state of Idaho. It’s running ice cold and fairly quiet to other miners I have seen and heard before. Miner cost $850 and came in about a week and a day after ordering and payment confirmed. I had to install a 250v outlet and also order a USA model 250v power cord as it came with a European model cord. Packaging was not damaged and it was packed rather well. Just wanted to give my two cents on the miner as I am excited everyday to see the progress of it and also come up with new ways to be able to cool it once summer comes around. I also am gpu mining on nicehash as well for RVN. So in a month I have gone from not mining at all to ASIC and GPU mining at the same time. If anyone had any questions about the miner please let me know and I would be happy to answer anything I can.

"This miner won't work in a 110-120 VAC mains voltage system."
Damn, us mortals in the west only have access to 120, unless you are my dryer or any other appliance, those get whatever they want
I'm looking for a decent miner to give me heat during the winter, but where i only have 120 outlets

It’s actually pretty easy to install the required outlet to mine. I did mine in about 15 min and it was up and running about 5 min after that. Buy a double pole 20 amp breaker since the miner power is 25amp max. Then buy a small roll of 12/2 wire and the 250v single outlet for about $4 bucks with the horizontal metal prong. Buy a small single outlet box for surface mount and a black grommet to protect the wire. You can run the wire right outside your panel if you want so you don’t have to run it through walls. Hook the ground up to the ground bar and connect the neutral white wire and black wire directly to the double pole breaker and then to the two gold screws on thr outlet. Put a cover over the outlet and BAM!! You are ready to mine with 250v outlet. Easy peezy and you would be up and going in no time.

[Steamtyme]

Glad you're happy with the miner. I've been running 2 of them for about a month and a half, couldn't be happier. Considering grabbing a couple more before the end of the month.

Also just in case for installs in the future you may want to install 30 amp circuits and grab a PDU in case you grab a second miner. Then there's no need to upgrade the circuit.

Good luck with the mining.


Just a side note on forum rules, you should merge your two posts into one, or it's considered multiposting.

Edit: I did grab another one and it appears there has been a price drop - Listed at 785 USD.

[SaiyanPrynz26]

How would I merge posts if you don’t mind me asking? And yes I am happy with my miner for sure. And the only reason I didn’t do a 30 amp breaker is because the power supply says 25 amp max and if for some reason it goes above the max, the breaker wouldn’t trip and could cause damage to the unit. Otherwise I would have done a 30 amp circuit. That’s my job throughout the week is electrical work anyway. Should I decide to add another miner which when I purchased mine it was listed as $850usd, I will add the 30 amp circuit and dual recep since I just did a single 250v outlet for this one. I’m happy with the returns on the miner and will probably add another in a month or two being that another more efficient model doesn’t arrive which I think bitmain is currently working on. Only thing is it is expected to be around $2000 usd for the miner but supposedly way more efficient. We will see. Pangolin was really quick at getting me the miner so I’m happy with their service this far. I did look at a PDU though, what’s the best place to grab one? Amazon? I haven’t worked with one of those yet, so I’m guessing that’s why you need a 30 amp circuit to be able to run that thing? One miner pulls about 9.3 amps so unless the PDU makes it so you don’t need to upgrade the circuit, it would pop after adding more than three to the PDU.

[philipma1957]

If USA used ones on eBay give me a minute to find a link for you.

this pdu  is golden runs 2  m10's

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-228481-002-EO4501-Modular-PDU-Power-Distribution-Control-Unit/183697616763?

use this cable

https://www.amazon.com/Iron-Box-IBX-4924-06-Power-Black/dp/B004XM6FGY/ref=sr_1_7?

the pdu is made for a l30r receptacle   it has 4 receptacles  all fused  separately .

there is a glut of these on ebay.

as low as 30 each if you are patient.  this one  below is 29.90!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/252635-001-HP-24A-200-240-Modular-PDU-Control-Unit-228481-002-Pulled/323472256173?

[Steamtyme]

And the only reason I didn’t do a 30 amp breaker is because the power supply says 25 amp max and if for some reason it goes above the max, the breaker wouldn’t trip and could cause damage to the unit. Otherwise I would have done a 30 amp circuit. ~snip~
Should I decide to add another miner which when I purchased mine it was listed as $850usd, I will add the 30 amp circuit and dual recep since I just did a single 250v outlet for this one.

Yeah your first install made perfect sense, I just meant if/when you expand to look into the 30 amp circuit and PDU option. This way you can save on the costs of additional receptacles and order uniform power cables. I grabbed a couple when I first began thinking of maxing out my extra power. They've both been full for about a year now, and all I've had to do is change out the miners.  The nice thing is you can just keep adding the miners until you've maxed them out, most "30A" PDU's are load rated to 24 Amps to not exceed the 80% continuous load.

I haven’t worked with one of those yet, so I’m guessing that’s why you need a 30 amp circuit to be able to run that thing? One miner pulls about 9.3 amps so unless the PDU makes it so you don’t need to upgrade the circuit, it would pop after adding more than three to the PDU.

Yeah that's the idea behind the PDU, you use 1 receptacle and it then adds it's own protection between the circuits and your machines. You do need to pay attention to how the load is distributed between the outlets on the PDU. Pretty sure Phil pointed you to some solid units, he's who I checked with before my purchases. In full power mode you would actually only be able to run 2 of the M10's but could run more in efficiency mode, for when things heat up a little.

I’m happy with the returns on the miner and will probably add another in a month or two being that another more efficient model doesn’t arrive which I think bitmain is currently working on.

They actually already have a more efficient model. Check here. Current List of Competitive Hardware - March 2019.

How would I merge posts if you don’t mind me asking?

Looks like the Mods took care of it for you. Here is a topic I created a while back to get the hang of inserting quotes and formatting posts. Feel free to drop any further questions there so we don't go off-topic here.

[philipma1957]

If you look at my solar array thread I have more then 15 of those eBay bargain pdus

They will do 2 m10s at full power or 3 m10s maybe 4 m10s at low power.

My m10s on low power run about 1265 watts so four on one pdu  is borderline but three is easy peasy

We are doing about 63kwatts in our build.

I know we have voltage sag.  238 volts has dropped to 227-229 volts

So a 24 amp x 238 = 5712 watts which means it can do two say 4600 watts

Or 4 say 5100 watts.  But we sagged to 227 volts

Which is

24 x 227 = 5448  in theory out mine will allow us to do 4 units of m10 on the pdu.

All fused less hard wiring to do.

My guess is we can do 4 if outside temps are under 50 f

And we can do 3 if outside temps are over 70 f

[SaiyanPrynz26]

Oh wow thanks so much you guys I really do appreciate all of the information and willingness to help me out. I know it’s not about the miner but I just wanted to say thank you to the both of you for taking the time to help a new guy out. You guys have a good night!!!

[minefarmbuy]

Looks like a price drop from Pangolin to $785. No debate on de minimis.

[philipma1957]

Looks like a price drop from Pangolin to $785. No debate on de minimis.

and March is a $ 15 coupon  drops to 770 plus shipping.

pretty much the best item around.

they handled my cracked/damaged  1 wire to 3 slot adapter issue pretty fast.

So 7 units  running from Sept to March with very little down time.

These m10s are pretty nice gear.  The heat sinking on the hash boards is very nice as compared to an s9

When I ran the one board on low  they were actually quiet .

I wonder if they will do a m17 or an m20  to  compete against bitmain's s17.

[minefarmbuy]

Yea we always run the coupon unless we get a bulk order. Looks like the pricing hit yesterday/last night.

Maybe we'll see a more efficient m10s.

[philipma1957]

Yea we always run the coupon unless we get a bulk order. Looks like the pricing hit yesterday/last night.

Maybe we'll see a more efficient m10s.

well the s17  may do 40 watts a th on low and 50 watts a th on high.

about 24th 960 watts low 40 watts a th

about 33th 1600 watts high 38 watt ath

so if a newer m10 comes out say an m17

it may do  

30 th 1200 watts low say  40 watts a  th
46 th 2300 watts high say 50 watts a th

if they do this and sell it for 1300 it would force the s17 to sell at 1000 both would get taxed so that is a push and the s17 would be a tiny bit more efficient.

this  next square off of   gear will be very interesting to see.

But whatsminer needs to get this done asap.

[SaiyanPrynz26]

Wow that’s cool that they dropped the price a bit. Want to grab a second one for more mining. And I watched a couple of your videos on YouTube from your mining operation and have to say I am super impressed. You also seem to really know your stuff about this whole mining bit. Any word on when these next round of miners hits the market? Thank you!!

[philipma1957]

If and when they release them based on the M3 and the m10  they send me a demo I put it on you tube.  they send HagssFin a demo he writes a  detailed review and they release to the public about thirty days later.

I do not have a new unit for review and neither does hagssFin.

I ordered 1 m10 today and will delay next order until it arrives.

My advice when ordering is always consider

2 factors is gear in hand with fast shipping the m10 is which is good.
what will the new gear do improvement wise.

so  waiting for new is more of an option if you are looking for 1 unit.

if you want more then 1 unit.  I suggest split your risk get and m10 now and put aside coin for the m17 or what ever they call it.
I went that method. My 8th m10 is coming in a week or so and I will wait to order again later.

I know I will want 5 more units after this m10 maybe 10 to 20 if our next place is built this year.
If we do not build another array I will want 5 more pieces of gear. So for me to order 1 and wait for more is easy enough.

Worst risk is coins shoot up in price and no gear to be found. I can live with that risk.

[sarcheer]

Just ordered my first M10-31T from Pangolin with the $51 coupon. Will get to see how it compares to the T15's I have in terms of noise and stability. Given the glowing reviews from other members I am expecting good things! Will likely remove 3 821's from the rack to make room power-wise.

[Trinislacker]

now they're are basically no longer in stock. 20th april lead time.