MoneyToken or DT member are scams?

[Klaud07]

Hello everyone, I would like to hear your opinion on the MoneyToken project.

Probably you thought that I was wrong with the section, but if you finish reading it, you will understand why I decided to create a topic in this section.

To begin with, this project hired a team of managers to conduct a bounty campaign, in which there was nothing unusual, such projects appear on the forum every day, the rules were standard, even the passage of KYC was not required, but it is only at first glance...

Bounty topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3407082.0

The project team, as well as their advisers...

After the project raised $37,189,195, strange things started happening.

First the team decided to add the passage of KYC. After the work was done... For me it was not a problem, I had been through KYC many times before that, so I was calm.

Later they said that they decided to hire an auditor, who should check the work of each participant and approve it.

Here the most interesting begins, according to the team, the auditor is a respected member of the Bitcointalk community.

But looking ahead, his personality is still hidden, and he only jokes: "You will not like my name" (So he writes).

The results of his work can be found here: https://medium.com/@moneytoken/the-bounty-report-and-the-bounty-distribution-instruction-606c87eede19

As a result, 1566 participants were blocked, and many like me were on both lists: approved and rejected (white and red list)

Red list - this includes participants, which the auditor considered fraudsters. And they do not just lose payment for their work, and also get the red trust on the forum. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JHhLg6BoTtTfsZLPtyAC8BiXHBDYFWWl/view
White list - Participants who have been audited and who can expect to pay for their work. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ESZexGtczrJoBz_PtVthlmCuHZAq2wvE/view
At least that's what the team/auditor says:

At the same time, it does not hesitate to add participants with red trust to the white list...

It seems to me that this is a sufficient precedent to doubt the quality of the audit.

But the project team does not care, they only offer to appeal, in which the participants can only specify their email address and wallet:

I know that many people have filed an appeal and it did not help the majority.

The results of appeals: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NrITn1Qouv8mgyFneHAOniXiHswFohBxMV3v2GmHz10/edit#gid=0

I am accused of farming with accounts:

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1126932 - my account.
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1127372
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1124713

The second and third accounts are not familiar to me, I do not know their owners and do not know why I was accused of this, because I was not provided with anything as evidence.

Of course I am not satisfied with this decision and the team gives us the email address of the auditor and offers to communicate with him, that would finally resolve the issue.

Only the auditor does not seem to care, I sent him an e-mail:

I had to wait 6 days for an answer and I didn't even realize I got it because it looked like this:

This figure from the white list, because I managed to get into both (white and red).

After that I began to demand in the telegram group of the project MoneyToken disclosure of the identity of the auditor. Otherwise, I promised to start an investigation on the forum.

A few hours later, the auditor began writing for the first time in telegram.

And he began with his investigation, it seems he read all the time but did not talk with the participants.

New charges against me: Please note that in the lower right image, information about the accounts in Russian.

Perhaps this will help to determine the identity of the auditor, because in the DT list as far as I know not so many people.  

He told the community in telegram that I have more than 10 accounts on the forum.

Although everything is transparent enough, SandraStark is my friend and she helped me sell the Cube tokens on the OKEX exchange, because I was blocked from the Russian IP address on this exchange.

I sent her Cube tokens, she sold them and sent back ETH. Is it a crime? I can provide all our correspondence during the sale if necessary. 

We also participated together in ICO Shivom and each of us successfully passed KYC.

Because I told her how much to put up the price of gas and at what price to place orders etc.

For me it is not a problem, I offered the same for auditor.  

The rest of the accounts on this screenshot have nothing to do with me.

But instead I saw only threats.



Well, then, at least we will find out who we are dealing with.

The bounty Manager counted me 336315 tokens for my work, which is $1681 for the price of ICO.

This money is trying to steal from me the project team or not a competent member of the DT list.

That's what I want to find out. Someone should be responsible for this.

[r1s2g3]

Move it to Scam Accusation. It is not the Meta subject.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Not sure, but a scam accusation thread can be started against bounty manager too, if KYC is added at the end.

Just My 2 cents:
Why all bounty hunter smell scam when they are scammed , why not earlier while doing the bounty ?

[Klaud07]

Move it to Scam Accusation. It is not the Meta subject.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Not sure, but a scam accusation thread can be started against bounty manager too, if KYC is added at the end.

Just My 2 cents:
Why all bounty hunter smell scam when they are scammed , why not earlier while doing the bounty ?

According to the project team, this Scam involves a member of the DT list, so I created a topic in this section.

Because of his incompetent work, many participants suffered.

I am ready to answer any questions and provide additional information.

As I wrote to the auditor, I am an honest participant and I have nothing to be afraid of, unlike him because he hides his identity.

Why was the topic moved from Meta? Or fraud of a member of the DT list is an ordinary case?

[r1s2g3]

Why was the topic moved from Meta? Or fraud of a member of the DT list is an ordinary case?[/size]

If you have name of the DT member then name that member.
I think if you have the name of that member then "Reputation" is correct board. You seems to somewhat lacking information about forum boards.
Please remove all the image, I do not think they are contributing anything but just making post lengthy.

[Klaud07]

If you have name of the DT member then name that member.
I think if you have the name of that member then "Reputation" is correct board. You seems to somewhat lacking information about forum boards.
Please remove all the image, I do not think they are contributing anything but just making post lengthy.

His identity is hidden from the community, so I can not with 100% probability say that the team MoneyToken is not lying.

They promised to make a red trust to 1566 participants, I'm waiting for this to know the identity of the incompetent auditor.

In addition, he promised to resolve the issue in the Meta section, which means that we had to start an investigation, but my topic was moved...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

In addition, he promised to resolve the issue in the Meta section, which means that we had to start an investigation, but my topic was moved...

It's not a Meta issue, even if it was proven a DT member did the audit.  What you made here is a scam accusation, so that's the section it goes in.

Member jzale sent me a message a few days ago looking for my help on this one, and I didn't reply to him.  The sad fact is that there's going to be more of these scams perpetrated against bounty hunters.  The project devs know how desperate people are to earn some of their shitty tokens, and some of them take full advantage of that.  And honestly, that doesn't deter anyone from repeatedly signing up for the bounties and abusing them to no end.  I have very little sympathy for bounty hunters, since all they do is spam, whether it's here on the forum or on social media.  Most people could care less if they get scammed, because there's so much abuse being done by the bounty hunters themselves.

There isn't much anyone here can or would do for you, OP.  Scams aren't moderated.  I agree that introducing new terms after all the work is done is a BS move, but none of this stuff is regulated so they can basically do what they want.  Even if they get tagged by DT members, they'll just move on to the next project and start all over again.

I just want the auditor - "a respected member of the Bitcointalk community" (as the MoneyToken team says) did not go unpunished, after his incompetent work.

But you don't know who that is, do you?  The fact is, that could be a lie on the part of the MoneyToken people.

[Klaud07]

In addition, he promised to resolve the issue in the Meta section, which means that we had to start an investigation, but my topic was moved...

It's not a Meta issue, even if it was proven a DT member did the audit.  What you made here is a scam accusation, so that's the section it goes in.

Member jzale sent me a message a few days ago looking for my help on this one, and I didn't reply to him.  The sad fact is that there's going to be more of these scams perpetrated against bounty hunters.  The project devs know how desperate people are to earn some of their shitty tokens, and some of them take full advantage of that.  And honestly, that doesn't deter anyone from repeatedly signing up for the bounties and abusing them to no end.  I have very little sympathy for bounty hunters, since all they do is spam, whether it's here on the forum or on social media.  Most people could care less if they get scammed, because there's so much abuse being done by the bounty hunters themselves.

There isn't much anyone here can or would do for you, OP.  Scams aren't moderated.  I agree that introducing new terms after all the work is done is a BS move, but none of this stuff is regulated so they can basically do what they want.  Even if they get tagged by DT members, they'll just move on to the next project and start all over again.

Hello

Do not get me wrong, I expected that by creating a section in the Meta Section, the auditor would have to keep an answer if his identity was revealed, then we could conduct an investigation, right?

As a result of the investigation, he is likely to lose his status and the team will have nothing left to do but to make an honest distribution of tokens to all participants who passed KYC.

I will not argue with you, if you think that this topic is not the place in the Meta section, then it means so.

I just want the auditor - "a respected member of the Bitcointalk community" (as the MoneyToken team says) did not go unpunished, after his incompetent work.

1566 participants suffered, this is not normal. Perhaps some of them were not honest, but not all. They didn't give people the opportunity to protect themselves, they just blocked everyone in the telegram.

But you don't know who that is, do you?  The fact is, that could be a lie on the part of the MoneyToken people.

That's right, but you can see how the auditor in one of the screenshots threatens us that we will burn with shame on the forum, which is why I created this topic.

I'm an honest participant and I have nothing to fear, I'm just looking for justice.

[Chomsy]

That's the point. Why block the affected participants if they were actually what the auditors claimed. This is so unfair.

[Collinberg]

The auditors money token hired are backstabbers and deflamers who connived to steal from bounty hunters, I got 58,000+ tokens in the bounty when it was first audited by the main bounty manager who initially handled the bounty, I even passed my KYC in the money token website, and now I am being accused of being an account farmer, all in a bid to deny me of my earned tokens, to make matters worse, they published an article about me in telegraph claiming that I am a scammer, this prompted me to create a thread yesterday about them in Bitcointalk, this is the thread with all my evidence.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4778719.msg43139110#msg43139110

[Chomsy]

The auditors money token hired are backstabbers and deflamers who connived to steal from bounty hunters, I got 58,000+ tokens in the bounty when it was first audited by the main bounty manager who initially handled the bounty, I even passed my KYC in the money token website, and now I am being accused of being an account farmer, all in a bid to deny me of my earned tokens, to make matters worse, they published an article about me in telegraph claiming that I am a scammer, this prompted me to create a thread yesterday about them in Bitcointalk, this is the thread with all my evidence.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4778719.msg43139110#msg43139110

Not just that.. They created a Bitcointalk Thread to prove their  claim, yet the thread was muted. If they are so clear on what they claim, why mute the thread and prevent individuals from airing their view on the topic. Honestly, this should be looked into and properly investigated.

This is the thread they created : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4788069.new#new

[Klaud07]

The auditors money token hired are backstabbers and deflamers who connived to steal from bounty hunters, I got 58,000+ tokens in the bounty when it was first audited by the main bounty manager who initially handled the bounty, I even passed my KYC in the money token website, and now I am being accused of being an account farmer, all in a bid to deny me of my earned tokens, to make matters worse, they published an article about me in telegraph claiming that I am a scammer, this prompted me to create a thread yesterday about them in Bitcointalk, this is the thread with all my evidence.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4778719.msg43139110#msg43139110

You can see that my damage is even greater, I earned ~ 336000 tokens, passed KYC and eventually got nothing.

We need to unite forces, I have already started writing in their Twitter and FB.

https://twitter.com/Klaud_07/status/1024333471978803200

https://twitter.com/Klaud_07/status/1023778725454905344

https://www.facebook.com/maksim.juventini.5/posts/290414261730457:0

[lewis17]

There are plenty projects to hunt for, why is moneytoken different from other project, why striping bounty hunters off their credibility cause you don't want to pay. Falsely accusing hunters for farming

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is the thread they created : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4788069.new#new

I looked at that thread.  Aside from what you think is an unfair case of locking it, what do you have to say about that accusation (since it's against you in particular).  You have no connection with those anh____ accounts?  It certainly looks like they're all connected to me.

[Chomsy]

The auditors money token hired are backstabbers and deflamers who connived to steal from bounty hunters, I got 58,000+ tokens in the bounty when it was first audited by the main bounty manager who initially handled the bounty, I even passed my KYC in the money token website, and now I am being accused of being an account farmer, all in a bid to deny me of my earned tokens, to make matters worse, they published an article about me in telegraph claiming that I am a scammer, this prompted me to create a thread yesterday about them in Bitcointalk, this is the thread with all my evidence.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4778719.msg43139110#msg43139110

You can see that my damage is even greater, I earned ~ 336000 tokens, passed KYC and eventually got nothing.

We need to unite forces, I have already started writing in their Twitter and FB.

https://twitter.com/Klaud_07/status/1024333471978803200

https://twitter.com/Klaud_07/status/1023778725454905344

https://www.facebook.com/maksim.juventini.5/posts/290414261730457:0

I didn't even hear of moneytoken bounty not to talk of participating. My crime is sending a small Open token I have to a Co bounty hunter to help me sell. Please, how is that now a crime?

[Chomsy]

This is the thread they created : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4788069.new#new

I looked at that thread.  Aside from what you think is an unfair case of locking it, what do you have to say about that accusation (since it's against you in particular).  You have no connection with those anh____ accounts?  It certainly looks like they're all connected to me.

I absolutely do not have any connection to that email. You can check and do private investigations. Contact others mentioned there too. I suspect something very wrong and fishy there. I see no reason why anyone will use a detail the person won't earn anything from to make such submissions. Those auditors needs to be audited too.. It's very bad choosing to tarnish people's image for nothing.

[Collinberg]

Earlier today, there was a thread created about me in this scam Accusations section, alleging that I am an account farmer, this is the thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4788069.new#new

The above post was created because I created a post yesterday where I called out the auditors and gave proof of my innocence in the accusations they have levelled against me. This is the post I created.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4778719.msg43139110#msg43139110

I am not the only person affected by this outright scam and defamation, while scrolling through the scam section, I stumbled upon this post by another member of this forum, this is the link..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4775738.0

Let's take a look at some of the facts
When the Money Token Bounty started, they never said KYC was required but when the program was concluded and tokens has been calculated, they suddenly decided to conduct KYC for bounty participants, I am never scared of KYC and I submitted my necessary details for the KYC and passed, below is a screenshot of my account.


Now where did the accusation of account farming come from? They said the bounty auditor is a respected member of this forum, why do they choose to remain anonymous? These questions remain unanswered since all we got from them is a generic email address.

[Collinberg]

The auditors money token hired are backstabbers and deflamers who connived to steal from bounty hunters, I got 58,000+ tokens in the bounty when it was first audited by the main bounty manager who initially handled the bounty, I even passed my KYC in the money token website, and now I am being accused of being an account farmer, all in a bid to deny me of my earned tokens, to make matters worse, they published an article about me in telegraph claiming that I am a scammer, this prompted me to create a thread yesterday about them in Bitcointalk, this is the thread with all my evidence.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4778719.msg43139110#msg43139110

You can see that my damage is even greater, I earned ~ 336000 tokens, passed KYC and eventually got nothing.

We need to unite forces, I have already started writing in their Twitter and FB.

https://twitter.com/Klaud_07/status/1024333471978803200

https://twitter.com/Klaud_07/status/1023778725454905344

https://www.facebook.com/maksim.juventini.5/posts/290414261730457:0

I just turned on their notification on Twitter and I would be alerted anytime they make a post and I would always be the first to comment.

[Klaud07]

This is the thread they created : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4788069.new#new

I looked at that thread.  Aside from what you think is an unfair case of locking it, what do you have to say about that accusation (since it's against you in particular).  You have no connection with those anh____ accounts?  It certainly looks like they're all connected to me.

I think it is very difficult to defend if there is no accusatory evidence...

I was accused of farming, too, but what can I say? Maybe I was lucky because the users of those accounts are not Russian-speaking, what else?

Any forum member can now be accused of writing a bunch of different accounts, but without evidence of guilt, there can be no evidence of its absence.

The auditor has not provided any evidence, I suspect the only thing he paid attention to is account ID.

My ID: 1126932

I was accused with this ID: 1127372 and 1124713

[Melody2]

This is the thread they created : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4788069.new#new

I looked at that thread.  Aside from what you think is an unfair case of locking it, what do you have to say about that accusation (since it's against you in particular).  You have no connection with those anh____ accounts?  It certainly looks like they're all connected to me.

How did you conclude they are connected? I know those people personally and I can tell you that the wallets are owned by different persons who also took part in the bounty. Besides, how can you conclude based on the fact levelled here against the shoddy auditing job that whitelisted and blacklisted the same account simulatneously?

[boakyei]

Prior to the end of the token sales, someone made scam accusation of the team and as a result I ignored to participate in the campaign and I am not surprise today bounty hunters are complaining of the team behavior toward them. I think the bounty manager need to be sanctioned and a rule need to be instituted to guide the conduct of bounty managers on the forum.