[ANN] ♻ Emrals - Rewarding City Cleanup | x11 PoW | Masternodes | IoT ♻

[emrals]

Will it be safe to assume that every area will have an equal reward rate for each unit of trash collected? Like, in an populated area and in a less populatef area? If they will be different, what factors will influence these rates?

To start out with yes.  Over time we may want to adjust the rewards based on how the system is being used, sort of like a mining difficulty.

No, I mean not like a change in rate from time to time, but a difference in rate for one place to another. Let's say the rate for trash picking in Buffalo is different from NYC? Or on larger scale, Washington to Taiwan?

To start out with, the rewards will be the same for all zones.  We may find that we'll have to adjust for exchange rates based on the local currency so that is a possibility we'll keep in mind.

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[emrals]

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• 5-25 EMRALS Coins Per Block - based on the formula nSubsidyBase = (2222222.0 / (pow((dDiff+2600.0)/9.0,2.0)));

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Now we can see 4 coins per block while it was said that minimum 5. Why?

20% is split with masternodes 5 = reward 1 to masternodes 4 to miners.

[klucho]

This is very good project, thanks for your project and wish you best of luck.

Some kind of bot? How we call it? Tout? Barker?
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[holydarkness]

Will it be safe to assume that every area will have an equal reward rate for each unit of trash collected? Like, in an populated area and in a less populatef area? If they will be different, what factors will influence these rates?

To start out with yes.  Over time we may want to adjust the rewards based on how the system is being used, sort of like a mining difficulty.

No, I mean not like a change in rate from time to time, but a difference in rate for one place to another. Let's say the rate for trash picking in Buffalo is different from NYC? Or on larger scale, Washington to Taiwan?

To start out with, the rewards will be the same for all zones.  We may find that we'll have to adjust for exchange rates based on the local currency so that is a possibility we'll keep in mind.

But, wouldn't it be quite unfair? If the difference was merely based on currency? For cities that's rather dirty like err... well, certain cities, people can get easy money, but for an extremely clean cities like Singapore, where litter-er are charged greatly and discouraged people on doing so, having a random litter would be rare. And once they happen to have that, they paid with same rate (fiat based)?

[emrals]

Will it be safe to assume that every area will have an equal reward rate for each unit of trash collected? Like, in an populated area and in a less populatef area? If they will be different, what factors will influence these rates?

To start out with yes.  Over time we may want to adjust the rewards based on how the system is being used, sort of like a mining difficulty.

No, I mean not like a change in rate from time to time, but a difference in rate for one place to another. Let's say the rate for trash picking in Buffalo is different from NYC? Or on larger scale, Washington to Taiwan?

To start out with, the rewards will be the same for all zones.  We may find that we'll have to adjust for exchange rates based on the local currency so that is a possibility we'll keep in mind.

But, wouldn't it be quite unfair? If the difference was merely based on currency? For cities that's rather dirty like err... well, certain cities, people can get easy money, but for an extremely clean cities like Singapore, where litter-er are charged greatly and discouraged people on doing so, having a random litter would be rare. And once they happen to have that, they paid with same rate (fiat based)?

Good point.  We'll start it out equal and keep an eye on it.

[holydarkness]

Will it be safe to assume that every area will have an equal reward rate for each unit of trash collected? Like, in an populated area and in a less populatef area? If they will be different, what factors will influence these rates?

To start out with yes.  Over time we may want to adjust the rewards based on how the system is being used, sort of like a mining difficulty.

No, I mean not like a change in rate from time to time, but a difference in rate for one place to another. Let's say the rate for trash picking in Buffalo is different from NYC? Or on larger scale, Washington to Taiwan?

To start out with, the rewards will be the same for all zones.  We may find that we'll have to adjust for exchange rates based on the local currency so that is a possibility we'll keep in mind.

But, wouldn't it be quite unfair? If the difference was merely based on currency? For cities that's rather dirty like err... well, certain cities, people can get easy money, but for an extremely clean cities like Singapore, where litter-er are charged greatly and discouraged people on doing so, having a random litter would be rare. And once they happen to have that, they paid with same rate (fiat based)?

Good point.  We'll start it out equal and keep an eye on it.

To conclude, this issue is not yet solved as we're waiting for the next decision.

So, meanwhile, allow me to bring another issue to your attention. How will you ensure that your people will play fair? As I get, your system is using a picture of the condition before and after cleanup as well as the person who cleaned it up as your evidence. So, how could you be sure that there will be no cheater who deliberately put some litters on the street, take pictures of it for evidences, clean it up, get payment, and repeat the whole process.

[emrals]

Will it be safe to assume that every area will have an equal reward rate for each unit of trash collected? Like, in an populated area and in a less populatef area? If they will be different, what factors will influence these rates?

To start out with yes.  Over time we may want to adjust the rewards based on how the system is being used, sort of like a mining difficulty.

No, I mean not like a change in rate from time to time, but a difference in rate for one place to another. Let's say the rate for trash picking in Buffalo is different from NYC? Or on larger scale, Washington to Taiwan?

To start out with, the rewards will be the same for all zones.  We may find that we'll have to adjust for exchange rates based on the local currency so that is a possibility we'll keep in mind.

But, wouldn't it be quite unfair? If the difference was merely based on currency? For cities that's rather dirty like err... well, certain cities, people can get easy money, but for an extremely clean cities like Singapore, where litter-er are charged greatly and discouraged people on doing so, having a random litter would be rare. And once they happen to have that, they paid with same rate (fiat based)?

Good point.  We'll start it out equal and keep an eye on it.

To conclude, this issue is not yet solved as we're waiting for the next decision.

So, meanwhile, allow me to bring another issue to your attention. How will you ensure that your people will play fair? As I get, your system is using a picture of the condition before and after cleanup as well as the person who cleaned it up as your evidence. So, how could you be sure that there will be no cheater who deliberately put some litters on the street, take pictures of it for evidences, clean it up, get payment, and repeat the whole process.

There will be an approval system where real people look at the before, after and proof pictures to judge if someone is gaming the system. 

[holydarkness]

There will be an approval system where real people look at the before, after and proof pictures to judge if someone is gaming the system. 

And these real people will be... one of your employee? The citizens themselves? One of the cryptocommunity that happen to be around? One of the member of your project?

[emrals]

There will be an approval system where real people look at the before, after and proof pictures to judge if someone is gaming the system. 

And these real people will be... one of your employee? The citizens themselves? One of the cryptocommunity that happen to be around? One of the member of your project?

The citizens themselves

[olamidey]

Pollution is a major problem planet earth is having, it is harmful to both humans, animals and planet earth, for decades now efforts had been made to promote cleaning of the environment, yet those efforts have yielded little results. The Emrals project is going to handle the cleaning up if our cities from an entirely new angle. We choose to reward people for cleaning up the environment. This rewards will entice residents to clean up their neighbourhood. The project is built on blockchain technology. It will also be decentralized, this means the reward system will be completely transparent.

[emrals]

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[NikiHanSolo]

Emrals is now traded on:

BitexBay: https://www.bitexbay.com/Home/Orders/index/currency/EMRALS-BTC.html

Nibyx: https://nibyx.com/?e=BTC/EMRALS

Both these Exchanges are looking Solid

[NikiHanSolo]

Well done Emrals, It's good to see you progressing, good luck with everything.
You have a good idea, a growing  Community and Team aswell as respectably priced Masternodes

[holydarkness]

There will be an approval system where real people look at the before, after and proof pictures to judge if someone is gaming the system. 

And these real people will be... one of your employee? The citizens themselves? One of the cryptocommunity that happen to be around? One of the member of your project?

The citizens themselves

And these citizen themselves will not take picture because the "picker" ask them to do that, will they? Like, "hey, there are some trash out there, can you take some shoot of it on this condition, while I pick it, and the cleaned ones after I pick them"? Because if that's your concept, then we are going back toy previous question of how will you be sure the trash was not a mere set-up by the cheating picker?

And if your concept is the entirely opposite of the illustration above, you assume that without anyone asked their help to take a photo evidence of trash lying around, the citizen will miraculously have an initiative to do that, then waiting for people to take that, then take another photo of an already cleaned street, the whole scenario will be a little bit twisted, isn't it? Because if they do, then their moral compass need a better calibration. They waited for someone to take the trash instead of cleaning it up themselves. The aim to raise trash awareness is utterly failed on this scenario

[emrals]

There will be an approval system where real people look at the before, after and proof pictures to judge if someone is gaming the system. 

And these real people will be... one of your employee? The citizens themselves? One of the cryptocommunity that happen to be around? One of the member of your project?

The citizens themselves

And these citizen themselves will not take picture because the "picker" ask them to do that, will they? Like, "hey, there are some trash out there, can you take some shoot of it on this condition, while I pick it, and the cleaned ones after I pick them"? Because if that's your concept, then we are going back toy previous question of how will you be sure the trash was not a mere set-up by the cheating picker?

And if your concept is the entirely opposite of the illustration above, you assume that without anyone asked their help to take a photo evidence of trash lying around, the citizen will miraculously have an initiative to do that, then waiting for people to take that, then take another photo of an already cleaned street, the whole scenario will be a little bit twisted, isn't it? Because if they do, then their moral compass need a better calibration. They waited for someone to take the trash instead of cleaning it up themselves. The aim to raise trash awareness is utterly failed on this scenario

We have tested a couple versions of the app already and based on feedback from users, we are updating it to include two methods for people to play the game. Some people have the "moral compass" to be a self-cleaner. We have a feature for them to be rewarded with the Impact Zones. And many people who don't have the time or energy, or desire to be a person who cleanups, they are already regularly reporting trash complaints to the city-- we are adding the picture taking, which has also been successful for other organizations around the world. We have analyzed what it is that keeps certain areas clean and it comes down to money. This is why we have created the coin. We can't rely on do-gooders to to do enough good to stop the trash problem. We want to pay people to do it who need the money-- like the can collectors who are already raiding recycle bins for the redemption program. In NYC, a single redemption location in Brooklyn brings in over half a million USD/year. There is money and reports being made in the system already. Emrals is working to bring it all together with the power of the blockchain.

[holydarkness]

There will be an approval system where real people look at the before, after and proof pictures to judge if someone is gaming the system. 

And these real people will be... one of your employee? The citizens themselves? One of the cryptocommunity that happen to be around? One of the member of your project?

The citizens themselves

And these citizen themselves will not take picture because the "picker" ask them to do that, will they? Like, "hey, there are some trash out there, can you take some shoot of it on this condition, while I pick it, and the cleaned ones after I pick them"? Because if that's your concept, then we are going back toy previous question of how will you be sure the trash was not a mere set-up by the cheating picker?

And if your concept is the entirely opposite of the illustration above, you assume that without anyone asked their help to take a photo evidence of trash lying around, the citizen will miraculously have an initiative to do that, then waiting for people to take that, then take another photo of an already cleaned street, the whole scenario will be a little bit twisted, isn't it? Because if they do, then their moral compass need a better calibration. They waited for someone to take the trash instead of cleaning it up themselves. The aim to raise trash awareness is utterly failed on this scenario

We have tested a couple versions of the app already and based on feedback from users, we are updating it to include two methods for people to play the game. Some people have the "moral compass" to be a self-cleaner. We have a feature for them to be rewarded with the Impact Zones. And many people who don't have the time or energy, or desire to be a person who cleanups, they are already regularly reporting trash complaints to the city-- we are adding the picture taking, which has also been successful for other organizations around the world. We have analyzed what it is that keeps certain areas clean and it comes down to money. This is why we have created the coin. We can't rely on do-gooders to to do enough good to stop the trash problem. We want to pay people to do it who need the money-- like the can collectors who are already raiding recycle bins for the redemption program. In NYC, a single redemption location in Brooklyn brings in over half a million USD/year. There is money and reports being made in the system already. Emrals is working to bring it all together with the power of the blockchain.

How does the rewarding system for self-cleaner works? They don't require a before and after evidence, do they? So on what basis does the verification system works?

[emrals]

Check out the preview of our new app.  Let us know what you think - https://xd.adobe.com/view/209e325c-de84-4442-4519-7fa29b1ad81b-56af/

[Mrbee]

Interesting. This project can make a real difference.
I have a question. Is this project US only? What do you plan on doing when it comes to the countries with high corruption levels? The people there would want a serious cut from your future earnings to let you do the cleanup, y'know?

[emrals]

There will be an approval system where real people look at the before, after and proof pictures to judge if someone is gaming the system. 

And these real people will be... one of your employee? The citizens themselves? One of the cryptocommunity that happen to be around? One of the member of your project?

The citizens themselves

And these citizen themselves will not take picture because the "picker" ask them to do that, will they? Like, "hey, there are some trash out there, can you take some shoot of it on this condition, while I pick it, and the cleaned ones after I pick them"? Because if that's your concept, then we are going back toy previous question of how will you be sure the trash was not a mere set-up by the cheating picker?

And if your concept is the entirely opposite of the illustration above, you assume that without anyone asked their help to take a photo evidence of trash lying around, the citizen will miraculously have an initiative to do that, then waiting for people to take that, then take another photo of an already cleaned street, the whole scenario will be a little bit twisted, isn't it? Because if they do, then their moral compass need a better calibration. They waited for someone to take the trash instead of cleaning it up themselves. The aim to raise trash awareness is utterly failed on this scenario

We have tested a couple versions of the app already and based on feedback from users, we are updating it to include two methods for people to play the game. Some people have the "moral compass" to be a self-cleaner. We have a feature for them to be rewarded with the Impact Zones. And many people who don't have the time or energy, or desire to be a person who cleanups, they are already regularly reporting trash complaints to the city-- we are adding the picture taking, which has also been successful for other organizations around the world. We have analyzed what it is that keeps certain areas clean and it comes down to money. This is why we have created the coin. We can't rely on do-gooders to to do enough good to stop the trash problem. We want to pay people to do it who need the money-- like the can collectors who are already raiding recycle bins for the redemption program. In NYC, a single redemption location in Brooklyn brings in over half a million USD/year. There is money and reports being made in the system already. Emrals is working to bring it all together with the power of the blockchain.

How does the rewarding system for self-cleaner works? They don't require a before and after evidence, do they? So on what basis does the verification system works?

Yes a self cleaner will require before and after.  The verification system will be someone looking at the pictures and saying "yeah, that looks like they cleaned up" or "nope, looks like they just kicked a can down the street" and they will then click a button to reward the EMRALS.

[holydarkness]

Yes a self cleaner will require before and after.  The verification system will be someone looking at the pictures and saying "yeah, that looks like they cleaned up" or "nope, looks like they just kicked a can down the street" and they will then click a button to reward the EMRALS.

Interesting. I assume there would be some employees for this? Those "yeah" and "nope" are coming from the dedicated employee to minimalize the possibility of subjectivity, arent they?

Also, what's your opinion on having the trash picker to have to be able to put the trash on the specific trashcan? As many of us know, there are so many trashcan that's material specific, like organic, paper, can, wet trashes, etc.