jeremypwr Bitcasino.io and Sportsbet.io Extortion, Ponzi promoting, scammer

[WaffleMaster]

You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this.

I know you don't believe that. There's a lot more to it, as you can see. This campaign is heavily damaged now because of the words and actions of the manager who made a lot of mistakes and broke many rules.

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[ImHash]

You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this.

I know you don't believe that. There's a lot more to it, as you can see. This campaign is heavily damaged now because of the words and actions of the manager who made a lot of mistakes and broke many rules.

I think you are missing the point here, You participated, posted and received the payment, Now you're out.
Whether the manager agreed to enroll you back or not, That's the manager's decision. You are not owed anything by anyone. One of the rules of every campaign is that the manager has the right to deny or accept anyone they want, You have been denied and they have already paid for your posts made last week.

[WaffleMaster]

You are saying that you have decided not to let him/her into any of your campaigns? Why are you arguing then? You pay them for their posts and say you are out, There is nothing more to this.

I know you don't believe that. There's a lot more to it, as you can see. This campaign is heavily damaged now because of the words and actions of the manager who made a lot of mistakes and broke many rules.

I think you are missing the point here, You participated, posted and received the payment, Now you're out.
Whether the manager agreed to enroll you back or not, That's the manager's decision. You are not owed anything by anyone. One of the rules of every campaign is that the manager has the right to deny or accept anyone they want, You have been denied and they have already paid for your posts made last week.

They kicked me out in error and reduced my payment unfairly, and in error. They then accepted and stated they would fix everything and things would return to normal. These images mean nothing to you? And also scamming and lying and going back on an agreement worth $840 is nothing to you? They agreed to all of that AFTER the first terms and conditions, which means it overrules it. Your logic doesn't hold up at all. You don't care whether or not they agreed to something in writing? Which THEY DID agree to. These honestly feel like alts LOL because every logical counterpoint I make, which is held up by evidence, doesn't seem to phase you people with random opinions based on flimsy arguments. You keen on talking about payment? Talk about these payment interactions then.

[CaptainLance]

And also scamming and lying and going back on an agreement worth $840 is nothing to you?

I'm confused. Where is the part where he scammed you? You were only entitled a $120 for a week and as far as I can see you have only done 1 week of "work". He agreed to pay you that and yet you ramble here with your butthurt because you can't get what you want. He's the one managing the campaign and he has the rights to deny anyone.
As for that $840 you keep mentioning, it's not like it will go into his pocket. He will use it to pay that someone else who he hired as a replacement.
Just take the money shut up and move on with your life.

This argument of yours will go nowhere.

[WaffleMaster]

And also scamming and lying and going back on an agreement worth $840 is nothing to you?

I'm confused. Where is the part where he scammed you? You were only entitled a $120 work for a week and as far as I can see you have only done 1 week of "work". He agreed to pay you that and yet you ramble here with your butthurt because you can't get what you want. He's the one managing the campaign and he has the rights to deny anyone.
As for that $840 you keep mentioning, it's not like it will go in his pocket. He will use it to pay that someone else who he hired as a replacement.
Just take the money shut up and move on with your life.

This argument of yours will go nowhere.

Ahhh, newly made troll accounts coming out now. That's how you know when you start winning the moral high ground Kidding, but really it is quite telling.

So, besides these points already being mentioned and completely thought through and penetrated logically with empirical evidence, I guess I'll entertain this. Only briefly.

Agreeing to make everything fixed and return it to normal would have included me back in the campaign among the payment being for 25 posts instead of 18. I deleted my stuff as per the agreement, and then the campaign manager didn't follow through. IE they lied. IE they scammed me by not holding up their end of the deal, which they literally agreed to. (I suppose I must keep posting these pictures just so people can get some context). Just so happens this was worth $840 in profit potential, which I would have easily claimed if the campaign manager had not been so bad at managing and acting in bad faith. I'm sure you've seen the other photos. Notice how I use the term "shorting me payment" because I understand managers have the right to kick people out as they choose, it is what everybody agrees to in the rules. However, when a separate agreement is made to negate that and correct errors, that is something else entirely that sits on top of those previous agreements. Make sense?





Yes, a campaign manager can choose to remove people. He did that to me in error. That's fine, I pointed the error out and asked him to fix everything and bring it back to normal. He said he would fix everything and It would be normal. He didn't, that's a scam. And it's worth $840 in future campaign earnings. But you don't care, it didn't happen to you. So we should probably just drop it and let it happen to somebody else too? No.

[target]

I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign. You can bash his management all the time and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.  

[WaffleMaster]

I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign while you can bash his management and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.  

Oh yeah, I totally agree. After his behavior and incompetence I sent this pm, in the picture below. Basically I could no longer be a part of the campaign regardless if they wanted a do-over. Because of all the threats, withholding payment unfairly, being petty and calling me names, taunting me and all the other stuff. So now it's just about raising awareness around this terrible manager, his misconduct, threats and all that. Maybe people will think twice and not allow him to do this to anybody else. Technically I'm pretty sure that agreement would hold up in the court of law, it is a written agreement to return to normal, but we're not in court and we're not going there

[Stedsm]

Sorry for the interruption here guys, not bumping this thread but I need to make myself understand a few things here. I'll be putting everything one by one:

This one's for jeremypwr:
- Someone told me that there's no restriction on the number of posts a person can make on the forum in a day (not at least if the posts are of good quality). I've seen many members making more than 30 posts daily (I won't be disclosing names here) and their posts were helpful to the community which is why even moderators didn't delete them. What I don't understand here is: The rule of your campaign says that "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count", so how it makes someone restricted to making posts more than 8 a day? They can post as much as they want and you can only count 8 of them per day according to the rule, right? So, where did the need arises for you to ask the user WaffleMaster to delete their posts? You might have paid them for the total posts considering 8 posts/day and not their ^12 posts^ for that day. You might have removed them for kinda post- bursting if they committed it. Nowhere under the rules section can I find anything like that written that a user is RESTRICTED to making 8 posts ONLY per day. Mind explaining me where am I wrong here?

This one's for WaffleMaster:
- You've been playing all well before I saw you claiming the services of Bet oh sorry, Bitcasino [FTFY] and Sportsbet scam. You started everything with the manager and your fight was for the money you wanted for your work and jeremypwr was the manager to deal with it. Now tell me, what made you think that the mentioned websites and/or their employees are scam? Didn't you ask the question to the manager that I asked here currently? And when it was clearly written by the manager over the campaign's OP that "I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason", why couldn't you just take it and move on? What's all this drama for? He said he was ready to pay you, then why?

[ImHash]

You are trolling, I consider what you are doing as trolling because they are not obligated to do anything other than enrolling people in their campaign, Count their posts and finally pay them. Did you receive your payment for your posts made last week or not? If you did then you are out as of now, The rest of the story is related to morality while you can't hold them accountable for going back on their words. Drop it and stop making things worse than this.

[WaffleMaster]

Sorry for the interruption here guys, not bumping this thread but I need to make myself understand a few things here. I'll be putting everything one by one:

This one's for jeremypwr:
- Someone told me that there's no restriction on the number of posts a person can make on the forum in a day (not at least if the posts are of good quality). I've seen many members making more than 30 posts daily (I won't be disclosing names here) and their posts were helpful to the community which is why even moderators didn't delete them. What I don't understand here is: The rule of your campaign says that "Maximum of 8 posts/day will be counted towards total post count", so how it makes someone restricted to making posts more than 8 a day? They can post as much as they want and you can only count 8 of them per day according to the rule, right? So, where did the need arises for you to ask the user WaffleMaster to delete their posts? You might have paid them for the total posts considering 8 posts/day and not their ^12 posts^ for that day. You might have removed them for kinda post- bursting if they committed it. Nowhere under the rules section can I find anything like that written that a user is RESTRICTED to making 8 posts ONLY per day. Mind explaining me where am I wrong here?

This one's for WaffleMaster:
- You've been playing all well before I saw you claiming the services of Bet oh sorry, Bitcasino [FTFY] and Sportsbet scam. You started everything with the manager and your fight was for the money you wanted for your work and jeremypwr was the manager to deal with it. Now tell me, what made you think that the mentioned websites and/or their employees are scam? Didn't you ask the question to the manager that I asked here currently? And when it was clearly written by the manager over the campaign's OP that "I can remove you from the Campaign at any time, for whatever reason", why couldn't you just take it and move on? What's all this drama for? He said he was ready to pay you, then why?

Hi, thanks for the questions. People can post as much as they want, but only 8 will be counted towards the 25. He was asking, no telling me and under threat of no payment, to delete my posts detailing the events that have transpired of his error and scamming me and the threats etc. because it hurts his reputation (obviously) and the companies who involve themselves with him.

If you look through my post count from between July 24 and July 21 3 AM EST you will see no more than 8 posts a day.

Anyways, as stated previously, yes a campaign manager can boot anybody they want. It's good for the forum and the campaign to have only high quality. What's not ok is when they realize there is an error, make a written confirmation that things will be returning to normal before the error (pay increased and back on campaign), and then don't follow their own written agreement, that's where the scam really happens. And it cost me a lot of profit potential. It's likely illegal (like we care at all about that, I don't) and would be enforced by a court. You can't boot somebody in error, say you'll make things normal again, then refuse to honor that. And it's all in writing to boot (very important in courts). Anyways, enough with that old argument.

If you read the company's threads, they actually have a lot of issues that they say are resolved but actually aren't. Thanks for your interest, hope you have a good one

[WaffleMaster]

You are trolling, I consider what you are doing as trolling because they are not obligated to do anything other than enrolling people in their campaign, Count their posts and finally pay them. Did you receive your payment for your posts made last week or not? If you did then you are out as of now, The rest of the story is related to morality while you can't hold them accountable for going back on their words. Drop it and stop making things worse than this.

I can hold them accountable, anybody can hold them accountable. It's a community. I'm not making things worse, or rather explain how am I? I'm trying to prevent people from having a lot of profit potential stripped from them because of a shitty manager who lies and cheats their users, then agrees to make it right, then also cheats them on that! Not to mention the threats and petty immature name calling. What about that makes things worse for the community?

[target]

I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign while you can bash his management and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.  

Oh yeah, I totally agree. After his behavior and incompetence I sent this pm, in the picture below. Basically I could no longer be a part of the campaign regardless if they wanted a do-over. Because of all the threats, withholding payment unfairly, being petty and calling me names, taunting me and all the other stuff. So now it's just about raising awareness around this terrible manager, his misconduct, threats and all that. Maybe people will think twice and not allow him to do this to anybody else. Technically I'm pretty sure that agreement would hold up in the court of law, it is a written agreement to return to normal, but we're not in court and we're not going there

As much as I can see in the previous images of yours, you also threatened him with your own blackmail. Both of you made misconducts now it can't be resolved. Its best to just part ways accept that because you're not going to the court all for this. But if you are going to continue to hold grudge and raise awareness which is sick, you'll end up wasting your time. Believe me, we've seen enough drama in our lives. Its not entertaining. It made you sleepless already.

[WaffleMaster]

I don't get why you push yourself into the campaign when all is over for you the bounty manager decides to cut you participation. He decides to terminate you from it, its not like you have the contract to finish the entire duration of the campaign while you can bash his management and you getting paid for doing it. That's not going to happen. Would it be fair to the bounty manager you bitching around while you get paid by his campaign?
Give yourself a break @WaffleMaster.  

Oh yeah, I totally agree. After his behavior and incompetence I sent this pm, in the picture below. Basically I could no longer be a part of the campaign regardless if they wanted a do-over. Because of all the threats, withholding payment unfairly, being petty and calling me names, taunting me and all the other stuff. So now it's just about raising awareness around this terrible manager, his misconduct, threats and all that. Maybe people will think twice and not allow him to do this to anybody else. Technically I'm pretty sure that agreement would hold up in the court of law, it is a written agreement to return to normal, but we're not in court and we're not going there

As much as I can see in the previous images of yours, you also threatened him with your own blackmail. Both of you made misconducts now it can't be resolved. Its best to just part ways accept that because you're not going to the court all for this. But if you are going to continue to hold grudge and raise awareness which is sick, you'll end up wasting your time. Believe me, we've seen enough drama in our lives. Its not entertaining. It made you sleepless already.

You honestly think that me allowing him time, a person who kicked me out and is giving me reduced pay, is blackmail because I granted him the courtesy to have time to think about and deal with his errors? Or should I have just opened a scam accusation immediately without even giving him a chance? People have jobs, I'm not sure what time zone they are in or what their schedule is, so giving them time is not blackmail. Insane logic here, that me giving time and understanding to somebody to correct an issue is blackmail.

[luckybar]

Waflemaster stop acting like a spoiled brat, you didn't lose out on $900.  If I get fired from a job I don't demand pay for future work I haven't done.  It's Jeremypwr's campaign you are not entitled to a spot, its his choice.

[Stedsm]

Hi, thanks for the questions. People can post as much as they want, but only 8 will be counted towards the 25. He was asking, no telling me and under threat of no payment, to delete my posts detailing the events that have transpired of his error and scamming me and the threats etc. because it hurts his reputation (obviously) and the companies who involve themselves with him.

Ok, I believe I misunderstood when you said that he asked you to delete the remaining posts, but I believe those were the posts showcasing his issues.

If you look through my post count from between July 24 and July 21 3 AM EST you will see no more than 8 posts a day.

July 24 or July 20? Or is it between July 21 & July 24?
Anyways, I've seen that and yes, I do believe that you're correct in that matter.

What's not ok is when they realize there is an error, make a written confirmation that things will be returning to normal before the error (pay increased and back on campaign), and then don't follow their own written agreement, that's where the scam really happens. And it cost me a lot of profit potential. It's likely illegal (like we care at all about that, I don't) and would be enforced by a court. You can't boot somebody in error, say you'll make things normal again, then refuse to honor that. And it's all in writing to boot (very important in courts). Anyways, enough with that old argument.

But, I've been following the campaign's thread since its start and to my knowledge, there was no price change (as whenever I saw the title post, it always showed $120/week only). What kind of pay increase are you talking about?

If you read the company's threads, they actually have a lot of issues that they say are resolved but actually aren't.

Yes, I've read all their previous accusations and found that many of them were declared as resolved, didn't get so deep into the theory but I believe this one should be given higher priority if what you said, did happen.

Thanks for your interest, hope you have a good one

Btw, I've got one only and that's enough to bang mouths off. /s  

[WaffleMaster]

Waflemaster stop acting like a spoiled brat, you didn't lose out on $900.  If I get fired from a job I don't demand pay for future work I haven't done.  It's Jeremypwr's campaign you are not entitled to a spot, its his choice.

I'm sorry you feel that way. If your boss told you you had 40 hours this week then all of a sudden said no, you're not working at all, would that make you upset? Pretty comparable situation all things considered. Then on top of that, said if you talk about your hours getting cut at all, your previous week pay will not be given. Yeah, starts to put things in perspective right?

July 24 or July 20? Or is it between July 21 & July 24?
Anyways, I've seen that and yes, I do believe that you're correct in that matter.

But, I've been following the campaign's thread since its start and to my knowledge, there was no price change (as whenever I saw the title post, it always showed $120/week only). What kind of pay increase are you talking about?

It was because he was only paying me for 18 posts and not 25. Then he thought I didn't meet the 25/week deadline and kicked me from the campaign based on that false assumption from his error. The pay increase I mentioned was the increase from 18 to 25 posts.

[Stedsm]

It was because he was only paying me for 18 posts and not 25. Then he thought I didn't meet the 25/week deadline and kicked me from the campaign based on that false assumption from his error. The pay increase I mentioned was the increase from 18 to 25 posts.

Long story short, even if the manager committed error, he might have already removed you from the campaign next week itself. Tell me how are you assuming that you lose $900? Are you just making an assumption that you'd have remained in the campaign till its end? What if you'd have been removed next week itself for no reason based on the campaign manager's policy? Either you've gone totally insane or you're fighting just for the sake of the missed payment of those 7 posts. Getting into a campaign doesn't really guarantee your long term relationship with the same, you're not entitled to remain in a campaign till its end as each campaign has a policy to remove a user, they believe, doesn't fit to their requirements in any means and/or for any reasons.

[merited]

Now bounty managers are superman. They think they can do anything they want. But it should not be.

[yahoo62278]

Now bounty managers are superman. They think they can do anything they want. But it should not be.

Nobody is superman. The manager handled the situation terribly. When he made the mistake, after receiving the pm from Wafflemaster he should have just fixed it and moved on. Wafflemaster should have calmly messaged the user and waited for the manager to reply and fix the mistake.

Instead wafflemaster went crazy and made a million posts all over the bitcasino thread, sportsbet thread, campaigns thread, and reputation section. They both made threats towards each other via pm and acted like children.

I don't care what reasoning they feel they had, they were both wrong.

What I have learned for the whole situation:

Jeremypower did not act very professional as a campaign manager. Maybe he will learn from this issue and make himself better. Only time will tell. Instead of the pm war with Waffle he needs to look at Waffles complaint or any other users complaint he receives and see if the complaint is warranted. If it is, then fix it. If the complaint is incorrect, then message the user and explain why it is incorrect.



Wafflemaster is someone I would not consider hiring ever. He has shown that he is 1 of the users that feels he is entitled. If he doesn't get his way he will try to force his opinion on you. This is not the type of user that goes far in this forum. Even though it turns out waffle is in the right as far as the mistake on post counts, he still took it too far and somehow has this misconception he got screwed out of 500+ dollars.

I can understand tempers flaring for a few minutes but neither guy came to his senses really and decided to turn it into a circus sideshow event over the last 12 hours

[jeremypwr]

Now bounty managers are superman. They think they can do anything they want. But it should not be.

Nobody is superman. The manager handled the situation terribly. When he made the mistake, after receiving the pm from Wafflemaster he should have just fixed it and moved on. Wafflemaster should have calmly messaged the user and waited for the manager to reply and fix the mistake.

Instead wafflemaster went crazy and made a million posts all over the bitcasino thread, sportsbet thread, campaigns thread, and reputation section. They both made threats towards each other via pm and acted like children.

I don't care what reasoning they feel they had, they were both wrong.

What I have learned for the whole situation:

Jeremypower did not act very professional as a campaign manager. Maybe he will learn from this issue and make himself better. Only time will tell. Instead of the pm war with Waffle he needs to look at Waffles complaint or any other users complaint he receives and see if the complaint is warranted. If it is, then fix it. If the complaint is incorrect, then message the user and explain why it is incorrect.



Wafflemaster is someone I would not consider hiring ever. He has shown that he is 1 of the users that feels he is entitled. If he doesn't get his way he will try to force his opinion on you. This is not the type of user that goes far in this forum. Even though it turns out waffle is in the right as far as the mistake on post counts, he still took it too far and somehow has this misconception he got screwed out of 500+ dollars.

I can understand tempers flaring for a few minutes but neither guy came to his senses really and decided to turn it into a circus sideshow event over the last 12 hours

Glad you chimed in here; I would hate for Wafflemaster to think he could use his sense of entitlement against another part-time contractor...

Regarding my behavior, I will not engage with another participant like that, and I apologize to all for the spam it created.

I have received enough support in this thread from the community, and a dozen or so more PMs.

Rest assured, my Campaigns will go on and business will be as usual.

Take care everyone, and by the way I just won my 500th bet yesterday!   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516941.msg43301811#msg43301811