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August 03, 2018, 01:00:44 PM
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Hi guys
The goals of the idea
Maintain the reputation of the Forum and its members
Maintaining the interests of the members and all those involved in the market
Everyone suffers from fraud campaigns
the Old  members have a great responsibility and have expertise to take advantage of
I thinking about a mechanism to discover the scam bounty campaigns  at the beginning
It is through the vote of the members (the oldest and the experts in particular) each according to his rank
Each rank shall have a degree of confidence commensurate with it
The grades are divided according to campaign analysis factors (team, whitepaper, campaign manager, etc.)
Each member's vote will show either his or her/ his name
This voting shall be published on a subject devoted to this purpose
For all members to see before joining any campaign
This is an initial idea and I invite everyone to discuss it and make add or change it.

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August 03, 2018, 01:08:40 PM
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Hi guys
The goals of the idea
Maintain the reputation of the Forum and its members
Maintaining the interests of the members and all those involved in the market
Everyone suffers from fraud campaigns
the Old  members have a great responsibility and have expertise to take advantage of
I thinking about a mechanism to discover the scam bounty campaigns  at the beginning
It is through the vote of the members (the oldest and the experts in particular) each according to his rank
Each rank shall have a degree of confidence commensurate with it
The grades are divided according to campaign analysis factors (team, whitepaper, campaign manager, etc.)
Each member's vote will show either his or her/ his name
This voting shall be published on a subject devoted to this purpose
For all members to see before joining any campaign
This is an initial idea and I invite everyone to discuss it and make add or change it.
You can't get out of scam ICO/bounty campaign as long as there are thousands of BUMPers like you- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1837301;sa=showPosts;start=160

I request you to provide more data regarding how this process will be done. Then people can have a discussion. You are not clear what you are saying.

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August 03, 2018, 01:22:49 PM
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Hi guys
The goals of the idea
Maintain the reputation of the Forum and its members
Maintaining the interests of the members and all those involved in the market
Everyone suffers from fraud campaigns
the Old  members have a great responsibility and have expertise to take advantage of
I thinking about a mechanism to discover the scam bounty campaigns  at the beginning
It is through the vote of the members (the oldest and the experts in particular) each according to his rank
Each rank shall have a degree of confidence commensurate with it
The grades are divided according to campaign analysis factors (team, whitepaper, campaign manager, etc.)
Each member's vote will show either his or her/ his name
This voting shall be published on a subject devoted to this purpose
For all members to see before joining any campaign
This is an initial idea and I invite everyone to discuss it and make add or change it.
You can't get out of scam ICO/bounty campaign as long as there are thousands of BUMPers like you- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1837301;sa=showPosts;start=160

I request you to provide more data regarding how this process will be done. Then people can have a discussion. You are not clear what you are saying.

I am asking old members who have advanced ranks
To vote for campaigns and give its confidence + or -
This vote is published to benefit everyone before engaging in any campaign

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August 03, 2018, 04:48:35 PM
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These are some forum rules...
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1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads. [1][e]

1. Such posts like "SELL SELL SELL", "I agree", "+1", "Support", "Watching", "Interesting", "LOL", "SCAM", "LEGIT", "FAKE", other one word posts, posts consisting mostly of swearing, quote pyramids,useless introduction threads, threads about a topic already recently discussed in several other threads.
Ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

This is what I found out from your post history page...

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good qoustion  Wink
Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2819742.msg37205558#msg37205558

it is great project

it is nice

good airdrop

nice work

coooooooool

very nice

it is great

good work

good luck

Avoid these kind of postings. If you do not find anything to post then don't post. There are no harm for not posting regularly. Posting like this actually encouraging fraud scam bounty campaign managers to run their campaigns.

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August 03, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
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Hi guys

<.. snip..>

Hi..to be honest, above bolded two words are the only part I can read and understand in your post since it's like a poem( however it doesn't have any rhyme). So next time when you're trying to express some kind of an idea, make sure you do it with  suitable text paragraph and try to create sentences as simple as possible unless your English is top notch. Because that will create a bad initial impression towards your idea which you're going to express.(I'm not saying I'm good at English but I'm learning and simple sentences working for me)

BTW you just started your thoughts and expressing it all along 22 lines and stopped with dot.

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August 03, 2018, 08:02:55 PM
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I am asking old members who have advanced ranks
To vote for campaigns and give its confidence + or -
This vote is published to benefit everyone before engaging in any campaign


This would cause some demand from the scammers to buy old accounts with good rank to give + for the scammy ICO to make it looks real and trustable...
Or, they already have those accounts, because they have ranked them up before the merit system...
If something is abusable, scammers will try to abuse it, for sure...

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August 03, 2018, 08:09:51 PM
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<snip shitposts>
Nice, thanks for pointing out the idioicy of OP.

What he's suggesting is that people vouch for these shit projects, and essentially take some measure of responsibility for them.  I don't think anyone wants to risk their reputation if one of them goes south after deeming it to be legitimate. 

He's also suggesting that people volunteer to do this, while they get none of the profits of these projects.  This is completely ass-backwards.  It's the project developers and campaign managers who need to be responsible for showing a project or a campaign is legit, not other members of the community.  The community already does a fantastic job of sniffing out scams, but they do so on their own time and that's a generous gesture--but trying to organize something whereby they HAVE to do this is just wrong.

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August 03, 2018, 08:21:22 PM
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Nice, thanks for pointing out the idioicy of OP.

What he's suggesting is that people vouch for these shit projects, and essentially take some measure of responsibility for them.  I don't think anyone wants to risk their reputation if one of them goes south after deeming it to be legitimate. 

He's also suggesting that people volunteer to do this, while they get none of the profits of these projects.  This is completely ass-backwards.  It's the project developers and campaign managers who need to be responsible for showing a project or a campaign is legit, not other members of the community.  The community already does a fantastic job of sniffing out scams, but they do so on their own time and that's a generous gesture--but trying to organize something whereby they HAVE to do this is just wrong.
Ignoring the OP, what we actually need is a do's and don'ts list by theymos/ a set of Official rules. The current rules are very subjective and hard to determine in some cases. At least theymos needs to provide a guidelines on Signature Campaigns. And touché on everything else you said.  Kiss

Based on OP's idea, its completely useless and time consuming. For people don't have time, otherwise they would rather report shitposts that people like OP make.

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August 03, 2018, 08:56:31 PM
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~snip~

Just by looking at the team, whitepaper, campaign manager we cannot determine the project's legitimacy in my opinion... It's just impossible.

Team
You just cannot scan someone's mind/intention for his/her honesty. You cannot see the future. You cannot check their background by going to their place or by hiring a lawyer.
But we should check the team as much as we can. I have seen some projects used someone else photo and changed the name. This type of projects is a definite scam. If you can find any project like this just ignore.

Whitepaper
Obviously, they will make the whitepaper attractive and convincing. So no chance to determine the legitimacy of the project by looking at the WP.

Campaign Manager
I'm not 100% sure about other campaign manager's involvement in a project, I mean how strong/deeply they are involved.
But I can say mine, I'm just a bounty manager and I'm not a team member. Someone from the team hired me to manage their bounty community and spreadsheets.
I wrote this because some campaign managers are like me, who is not an insider on a project, who doesn't get any inside news. So if any project turns out into a scam then the manager is not responsible imo.


It is your own duty to analyze about a project before you get involved.

Why should the old members take the responsibility?
If a project turns into a success then people won't say anything, they will just enjoy their profit on an island  Roll Eyes  but if a project scams then ............ you know the answer.


I tried to give a detail explanation... It's just not possible...

You may want to lock the thread now to prevent spam same as mine... this is my spam account.  Sad
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August 03, 2018, 09:35:15 PM
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~snip~
Good catch. We should learn first before suggest to other. Op himself is spammer. Improve first your post behavior then suggest to other. This kind of idea discussed may time. Fist try yourself to identify scammers. Do your best first than come to suggest.

" We always try to change world, but we didn't try to change ourself. "

Oviusly it's managers responsible to check max. project are legit or not. And hunter should follow only reputed managers. If you joined worst managers campaign than you deserve scam. No one can save you. It's your responsibility to save yourself.

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August 03, 2018, 10:01:55 PM
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I thank everyone who responded to the topic
Both those who discussed the idea and those who spoke outside it
I'm still at the beginning of my career in the forum
my English is not good . I try to improve it
I try to raise the level of posts somewhat and learn from you a lot.

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<snip shitposts>
Nice, thanks for pointing out the idioicy of OP.

What he's suggesting is that people vouch for these shit projects, and essentially take some measure of responsibility for them.  I don't think anyone wants to risk their reputation if one of them goes south after deeming it to be legitimate. 

He's also suggesting that people volunteer to do this, while they get none of the profits of these projects.  This is completely ass-backwards.  It's the project developers and campaign managers who need to be responsible for showing a project or a campaign is legit, not other members of the community.  The community already does a fantastic job of sniffing out scams, but they do so on their own time and that's a generous gesture--but trying to organize something whereby they HAVE to do this is just wrong.


ICOs are a scam unless they prove that they are not.

The identified scams got caught.

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August 04, 2018, 08:18:19 AM
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<snip shitposts>
Nice, thanks for pointing out the idioicy of OP.

What he's suggesting is that people vouch for these shit projects, and essentially take some measure of responsibility for them.  I don't think anyone wants to risk their reputation if one of them goes south after deeming it to be legitimate. 

He's also suggesting that people volunteer to do this, while they get none of the profits of these projects.  This is completely ass-backwards.  It's the project developers and campaign managers who need to be responsible for showing a project or a campaign is legit, not other members of the community.  The community already does a fantastic job of sniffing out scams, but they do so on their own time and that's a generous gesture--but trying to organize something whereby they HAVE to do this is just wrong.


ICOs are a scam unless they prove that they are not.

The identified scams got caught.

Well that is too extreme but you're right. Bitconnecet were listed on exchange and allowed traders to buy and sell the tokens on the exchanges but after months it suddenly just gone rouge. There were users who already warned investors in the forum during the ICO stage of Bitconnect so all we are going to probably just do is keep investigating.  About the team and their project, there really isn't a way to learn if they are scam until they prove themselves to be scammers.


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August 06, 2018, 06:08:39 AM
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Nice, thanks for pointing out the idioicy of OP.
You are welcome The Pharmacist. My motivation to see his post history was to determine his qualification before suggesting anything that could help the forum. I figured out that the guy is one of those who are here to spam the forum for their own interest. It's ok to have your own interest but you have no right to harm others.

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