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Rather than make a long post, I will just say look at the "Archived Profiles" at the top right of https://bpip.org

A few seconds later, refresh the page - see how the number is going up?  Yes, there were (are?) that many people signing up per minute on this forum...

Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.

This is a GOOD sign.  Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

We just need to wait until all the shitposter sMerit has been used up.  Then there will be NO incentive and no forum posts about bitcointalk being a "lottery win".

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August 03, 2018, 11:41:49 PM
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These new accounts can possibly even mean nuked accounts, right? While,I am seeing a lot of accounts being created and never being used, I don't see any reason for it.

This is a GOOD sign.  Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

We just need to wait until all the shitposter sMerit has been used up.  Then there will be NO incentive and no forum posts about bitcointalk being a "lottery win".
Actually, after the merit system,I see a lot of plagiarism, use of text spinners and what not. so...

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August 03, 2018, 11:55:17 PM
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Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.
most likely those are accounts that got proxy-banned and abandoned by the users
and probably some are accounts that actually got nuked by admins
I see there is "deleted profiles" number, how you able to tell that? profile page is no longer accessible?

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August 03, 2018, 11:58:49 PM
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Actually, after the merit system,I see a lot of plagiarism, use of text spinners and what not. so...

Plagiarism etc can be easily handled due to the smaller numbers compared to accounts that just joined to get rich...

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August 03, 2018, 11:59:25 PM
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I see there is deleted profiles number, how you able to tell that? profile page is no longer accessable?
I think theymos addressed this, and said that they were skipped randomly before(by accident).

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In the forum's first couple of years, accounts would sometimes be deleted. Also, in rare cases an ID can be skipped (eg. if a database transaction gets rolled back).

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Plagiarism etc can be easily handled due to the smaller numbers compared to accounts that just joined to get rich...

Finding posts that have used text spinners are hard, and its only possible if someone reads the entire mega thread with a shitload of shitposts.  Undecided They are handled only if they are reported.

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August 04, 2018, 12:02:21 AM
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I see there is "deleted profiles" number, how you able to tell that? profile page is no longer accessible?

Correct.   If I parse a profile and it comes back "The user whose profile you are trying to view does not exist." then it was deleted / skipped.

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August 04, 2018, 12:04:12 AM
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Plagiarism etc can be easily handled due to the smaller numbers compared to accounts that just joined to get rich...

Finding posts that have used text spinners are hard, and its only possible if someone reads the entire mega thread with a shitload of shitposts.  Undecided They are handled only if they are reported.

Yes, but it is still less work that dealing with three-four accounts a minute joining only for coin, which is what it was before the merit system was introduced  Remember, the actions you see today are based on accounts made three months ago...

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August 04, 2018, 12:36:37 AM
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Finding posts that have used text spinners are hard, and its only possible if someone reads the entire mega thread with a shitload of shitposts.  Undecided They are handled only if they are reported.

I find plagiarism easier to deal with that pure one line shitposting

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August 03, 2018, 10:15:06 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   ggh0stt1   Good
August 03, 2018, 10:11:54 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   msadikot53   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:56:19 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   bsetyawan   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:54:31 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   Thekingofgodftu01   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:52:23 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   mudra102   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:50:09 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   agiskasep   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:47:38 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   tantegope00l   Good

Pick a megathread in the altcoin discussion, just search for the matching text on the last 3-4 pages, report 10 or so copy-pasters till you feel you're going to get dumb just from reading that much crap, and then enjoy a beer while refreshing the modlog to see them getting banned Smiley

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August 04, 2018, 12:43:26 AM
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Finding posts that have used text spinners are hard, and its only possible if someone reads the entire mega thread with a shitload of shitposts.  Undecided They are handled only if they are reported.

I find plagiarism easier to deal with that pure one line shitposting

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August 03, 2018, 10:15:06 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   ggh0stt1   Good
August 03, 2018, 10:11:54 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   msadikot53   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:56:19 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   bsetyawan   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:54:31 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   Thekingofgodftu01   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:52:23 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   mudra102   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:50:09 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   agiskasep   Good
August 03, 2018, 09:47:38 PM   Re: Why Ethereum is so popular now?   tantegope00l   Good

Pick a megathread in the altcoin discussion, just search for the matching text on the last 3-4 pages, report 10 or so copy-pasters till you feel you're going to get dumb just from reading that much crap, and then enjoy a beer while refreshing the modlog to see them getting banned Smiley

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You're helping the forums, that's what.

I just recently learned about the modlog, so I'll be doing the same thing as you moving forward. The shit we geek out on on these forums... I guess it just means that we care Smiley

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August 04, 2018, 12:56:22 AM
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Hihi, I was just joking a little, or acting like a drama queen Cheesy but I really sometimes feel depressed and powerless seeing the wave of copy-pasting in the alt section and I wonder if there will ever be an end to it.

I just started hunting for them after a moron decided my posts are too bad and used text-spinning to "improve" them, but spending an hour or two on this makes me think how do the mods manage to stay sane reading all those posts?
I swear, sometimes I feel like I'm going nuts if I read for the 20th time the same bs just with a two/three word difference.

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August 04, 2018, 06:46:28 AM
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Hihi, I was just joking a little, or acting like a drama queen Cheesy but I really sometimes feel depressed and powerless seeing the wave of copy-pasting in the alt section and I wonder if there will ever be an end to it.



There will be an end to it just as @Vod said that we just need to wait until all the sMerit circling in the forum been used up from those shitposters.

The same thing will happen now when most forum members discovered this forum through friends telling them that this is an easy way to earn money, the only difference now is that other people will discover this will know that its not and it is really hard to ranked up. So we will be seeing less people signing up supposedly.

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August 04, 2018, 07:00:10 AM
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There will be an end to it just as @Vod said that we just need to wait until all the sMerit circling in the forum been used up from those shitposters.
I'm willing to wait (not that I have a choice), and I do agree that it'll happen with time.  I do think merit sources should be fairly selective who they give merits to.  We have at least one who gives 20 merits out routinely, which I think is excessive in most cases.

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties.  We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

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August 04, 2018, 07:56:50 AM
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There will be an end to it just as @Vod said that we just need to wait until all the sMerit circling in the forum been used up from those shitposters.
I'm willing to wait (not that I have a choice), and I do agree that it'll happen with time.  I do think merit sources should be fairly selective who they give merits to.  We have at least one who gives 20 merits out routinely, which I think is excessive in most cases.

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties.  We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.
Totally agreed,should have some required merits but i doubt all of these campaign managers will cooperate.We should only allow those managers who required merits to create a bounty thread in that spam section.Spam wont stop unless these managers will require merits,because these shitty posters wont be able to participate nor benefit in the forum eventually they will leave for good.
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August 04, 2018, 08:02:54 AM
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Some possible solution for this :

1) Asking for email verification. Will reduce registration with bots.

2) Deleting old accounts with no activity.

3) IP restrictions being made more tough.

Problem with these steps is that it will affect genuine users registering on the forum as well.
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August 04, 2018, 08:10:34 AM
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Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.
most likely those are accounts that got proxy-banned and abandoned by the users
and probably some are accounts that actually got nuked by admins
There's a third category: New accounts prepared to start a spam run when needed. Considering the large number of new accounts, it's either bots registering, or a clickfarm. I wouldn't be surprised if spammers pay people to register new accounts.
If they're proxy-banned, they're most likely abandoned. But if they slip through, it's stockpiled for later use.

I find plagiarism easier to deal with that pure one line shitposting
It depends: the plagiarism bots quickly evolve: they now shuffle words, replace them by synonyms, and/or do a homograph attack.
Lately, I (and others) have gotten many homograph-bots banned. I think this actually hit them, because for the past few days, barely any new homographs were posted. The homographs were actually easier to get banned than "normal" spam, I don't know what they're using now.
Just like bump bots now use self-moderated threads to circumvent the 24h delete restriction.

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Some possible solution for this :

1) Asking for email verification. Will reduce registration with bots.

2) Deleting old accounts with no activity.

3) IP restrictions being made more tough.

Problem with these steps is that it will affect genuine users registering on the forum as well.
Wont possible theymos doesnt want these email verifications as well as KYC for the members,deleting old accounts with no activity wont change anything.
IP Restriction could be bypassed by any VPN provider i personally use one so that i would stay anonymous atleast you can also use other browsers like TOR.
Most of the new accounts coming from those members who wants to earn more money with these signature campaigns which is the main cause of spam in this forum.
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Most of the new accounts coming from those members who wants to earn more money with these signature campaigns which is the main cause of spam in this forum.

I think there are a lot of accounts being registered on the forum and being left inactive. You can see many such accounts registered years before without a single post. They are not posting anything here and thus not the cause of spam. May be they are aging the accounts for use in future.

And, you are right about the possible limitations or loopholes for the suggestions I gave.

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August 04, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
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The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties.  We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

According to hilariousetc on another topic, giving a merit requirement for joining bounties will only make them want to buy merits from other sources.

In my opinion, this can be both good and bad.
Good because we can identify the unscrupulous merit source and theymos can remove their privileges accordingly.
Bad because some people who made good posts but not yet received enough merit would have to wait - so I guess its a job better left to the hands of the bounty manager

Problem with these steps is that it will affect genuine users registering on the forum as well.
You refuted your own suggestion. Smiley

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August 04, 2018, 08:41:29 AM
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many homograph-bots banned
bots can be prevented by some image verification like the one we have when we are logging in our accounts IMO.
There were no bots from the past few years but suddenly they just appeared and worsen the spam problem to this forum.Should have some trials for these bots,if they cant verify the image for 3x they should be permanently banned immediately.
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August 04, 2018, 09:33:32 AM
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bots can be prevented by some image verification like the one we have when we are logging in our accounts IMO.
That doesn't stop the bots, while it's very annoying for legit (Tor) users.

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There were no bots from the past few years but suddenly they just appeared and worsen the spam problem to this forum.
The money grabbing ICOs made bump bots a business (charging up to $1000 per thread per week).

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Should have some trials for these bots,if they cant verify the image for 3x they should be permanently banned immediately.
I've had captchas that took me longer than that to solve.

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